Exactly. Make your belief public, be prepared to have it confronted or have
it ridiculed. Even the Bible says this to be expected so what's the problem?
What happened to the Christian church?
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Exactly. Make your belief public, be prepared to have it confronted or have
it ridiculed. Even the Bible says this to be expected so what's the problem?
And what happened to my freedom ?
Actually, I'm very civil when I only mock, considering my personal opinion on the matter...
You see, I let you free to believe whatever you want, you let me free to make fun of whatever I want, that's very simple.
I know extremely intelligent people who believe in a higher power, I have
friends who are Christian and friends who are Muslim and friends who are
Athiest. I wish not to insult their inelligence, but have no problem with openly
speaking harshly against their beliefs. And it goes both ways.
Captain X
No doubt, there is much hypocrisy to be had among Christian churches. I guess it doesn't bother me too much because the inherent problem is that we are imperfect people preaching about a perfect God and way of life.
Thus you see the preacher or any person of faith say state how to be a good person and then they lose their temper and yell at a family member or are less than honest with a boss. Seems hypocritical, but no one is perfect and I think generally speaking we should worry about our own faults.
And as to your bit about gay hating. I can't speak for everyone, but as far as I am concerned when it comes to basic things like insurance, or health care and inheritance, etc, I don't have a problem at all with gays having what everyone else has.
My only reservation is concerning marriage itself, which is a topic for another thread.
If by gay rights you speak of the things above, then I wouldn't, and my church wouldn't stand in the way of that.
No doubt, there is much hypocrisy to be had among Christian churches. I guess it doesn't bother me too much because the inherent problem is that we are imperfect people preaching about a perfect God and way of life.
Thus you see the preacher or any person of faith say state how to be a good person and then they lose their temper and yell at a family member or are less than honest with a boss. Seems hypocritical, but no one is perfect and I think generally speaking we should worry about our own faults.
And as to your bit about gay hating. I can't speak for everyone, but as far as I am concerned when it comes to basic things like insurance, or health care and inheritance, etc, I don't have a problem at all with gays having what everyone else has.
My only reservation is concerning marriage itself, which is a topic for another thread.
If by gay rights you speak of the things above, then I wouldn't, and my church wouldn't stand in the way of that.
Captain X
Rear Admiral
The problem is that no one likes to be disrespected, and since religion is for most people who are religious quite personal, they tend to take slights against their religion personally.
Unfortunately some of them do stupid and/or hateful things and bring it upon themselves.
I'm just not one to make fun of religion in general (i.e. "magical sky fairy"). I personally haven't made my mind up, because it isn't something very high on my priority list of things to do. For the most part I'm "live and let live" as far as belief systems go, even if I disagree completely with them. As long as people leave each other alone about it, that would probably cut back on a lot of the grief that goes on. But if someone pushes their crap on others, whether it's a religious person or an atheist, it tends to piss me off. That's also when I'll go on the defensive against some atheists when they do something stupid too, as some of you might remember from that thread about those bus ads while apparently forgetting the rather long debate I gave some people about same-sex marriage. More recently I've been giving some religious people grief over imposing morality on others. For that matter, it's why I'm posting in this thread, because the subject sort of came up again as far as gay rights.
Yup, and we did have a thread debating that before the semester break.
I don't do it to hurt feelings. I just see it as a joke.
I once was religious and reason and reality eventualy
broke through.
Marriage though is not a Religious right, it is a Human right.
What business should it be of yours if they are married or not?
surely you can do whatever you want. I am not, nor am I able to forbid you from mocking.
But should you mock? is it the right thing to do? Does it make you and those around you better and come to an understanding?
honest questions...
if you want to start a separate thread on that, I'll discuss this there. But didn't we already have that debate?
Not that I know of. I have no need to start a thread.
It is actually a big part of the debate.
It simply has no place in our society for a Church group
to decide the rights of supposedly free individuals in
any area of life.
And so the problem with the Christian Church.
It is actually a big part of the debate.
It simply has no place in our society for a Church group
to decide the rights of supposedly free individuals in
any area of life.
And so the problem with the Christian Church.
Mostly influenced by Christian beliefs being allowed into Government
decisions and huge motions made by the LDS church to make a push
against gay marriage rights that had already been granted.
Around me ? In my culture, faith is a private thing, we (usually) don't talk about religious belief in public, that's a lot easier to deal with.
Plecostomus
Commodore
A motion made by the LDS church GOVERNMENT that doesn't represent the opinions or feelings of all its members... I thought I should throw that out there. Just because one is LDS doesn't mean one is anti-gay-rights. 
A motion made by the LDS church GOVERNMENT that doesn't represent the opinions or feelings of all its members... I thought I should throw that out there. Just because one is LDS doesn't mean one is anti-gay-rights.
I did say church. I in no way assume all the members
share the same close minded beliefs.
Well, it all comes down to opinion. My religiously motivated opinion counts just as much at the ballot box as your non religiously motivated opinion. That's America
America does not deny people there rights.
That is not America. It's a fallacy pretending to be America.
Plecostomus
Commodore
A motion made by the LDS church GOVERNMENT that doesn't represent the opinions or feelings of all its members... I thought I should throw that out there. Just because one is LDS doesn't mean one is anti-gay-rights.
I did say church. I in no way assume all the members
share the same close minded beliefs.
We're hoping the recent changes in management behind the scenes will soften the stance... But then again we might have women in the priesthood and I might learn how to eat dirt and shit gold bars before it happens.
Well, it all comes down to opinion. My religiously motivated opinion counts just as much at the ballot box as your non religiously motivated opinion. That's America
America does not deny people there rights.
That is not America. It's a fallacy pretending to be America.
What I mean is that everyone's vote is equal, regardless of motivation, that is america..
