I have a personal issue that I have been struggling with

[Australis]

Hawk, by saying it's made up, you're accusing the rest of us of being gullible and foolish. That will not win you friends or support.

I'd rather err on the side of him telling the truth. If he's found out to be lying, I'll be right there bawling him mout for doing so, but in the meantime I'd rather be helpful than too skeptical. I see why you say it, I just don't come to the same conclusion.

 

[CaptainHawk1]

Hawk, by saying it's made up, you're accusing the rest of us of being gullible and foolish. That will not win you friends or support.

I'd rather err on the side of him telling the truth. If he's found out to be lying, I'll be right there bawling him mout for doing so, but in the meantime I'd rather be helpful than too skeptical. I see why you say it, I just don't come to the same conclusion.

You can interpret how you want to, but I didn't suggest that, and if you've read my posts you'd understand that. I've suggested only that you folks don't want to believe that it's a fake, despite the glaring evidence that's been presented to you for whatever your motivations are.

What more do you need than the evidence I presented? Do you refute the evidence? Do you have information to counter my evidence? If not, then you choose to ignore it.

The fact is that it doesn't matter what I show you true believers now, it won't matter. I could give you a link to the short story he stole that from and you wouldn't believe it (that's a hypothetical BTW... I have no such link).

It's not me suggesting that anyone's gullible or foolish, it's the realization by the rest of you that if you do have to admit it's a fake, you will be gullible and foolish. That's cognitive dissonance.

But I do find it a little humorous that you're resorting to shooting the messenger and pinning the responsibility for whatever feelings of gullibility or foolishness you may be experiencing on me. That's a classic and typical aspect of cognitive dissonance so I'm not even offended.

Furthermore, what happened to the OP?

I keep throwing this out there and no one even wants to admit that it's odd that not only has he not shown up to defend himself, he hasn't even shown up to thank all you folks for the advice and kind words of encouragement.

Whether you want to believe it or not, my indignation is on your behalf because despite all of the bickering that goes on here, I truly believe that except for a few jerks, most of the people on this board are good-hearted and compassionate and have the best intentions at heart for their fellow board members. I don't like seeing newbie rabble-rousers coming in and starting trouble.

So please keep my motivations in mind before you start suggesting that I'm calling you 'gullible and foolish.'

-Shawn

 

[RJDiogenes]

But seriously, use a little common sense. Does that story really seem credible?

Why do you care? Obviously, there are people who are willing to give this Poster the benefit of the doubt on the chance that there's a Human Being out there who needs some sympathy and compassion. It's rather a pity that you find this so bothersome. Personally, I think it's worth it.

Because I don't like liars and as I've said before I don't appreciate the compassion of other people on this board (which is genuine) being taken advantage of by an amateur romance novel writer.

It's none of your business what they do with their compassion; apparently they have plenty to spare.

Why do you care that I care?

I find your hostility toward sympathy and trust very sad.

I will ask this again: If this is legitimate, why hasn't the OP commented since the OP?

Perhaps because of your hostility. Or perhaps because he was a faker. Either way, this Thread only reflects well on those who responded with kindness.

It's a rather a pity that so many people in this thread apparently are missing something in their lives so deeply that they throw their skepticism out the window in favor of this fiction that makes them feel important to be involved with.

They're not missing anything; rather, they have a healthy supply of Human kindness and they're not afraid to show it despite knowing they might be taken advantage of. What's a pity is those who live in fear and hide behind a wall of anger.

 

[LaxScrutiny]

It's none of your business what they do with their compassion; apparently they have plenty to spare.

I find your hostility toward sympathy and trust very sad.

I find his lack of faith disturbing.

One of the points of posting and answering on a public board is also so that people with similar problems can read advice, exchange opinions, etc. In the end, if you were lieing about your hard drive failing in the Sci and Tech forum, who cares? Someone gave proper advice and someone else will find a benefit for it.

For those of us who respond with compassion, or hard love, or what ever our response is, it's also an opportunity to compare notes and ideas with each other and check our own feelings and opinions with other people out in society. These kinds of questions don't come up at the water cooler and it can mark a break in an otherwise mundane day.

The OP could just as easily be writing a novel and fishing for ideas. It would still be a bit underhanded, but in the end who cares?

To this point CaptainHawk1, you've written more about what he suspects about the OP than anyone else has written. Let it go man, you're getting obsessed.

The OP isn't violating any board rules that I know of, but you're coming really close to badmouthing him on a part of the board that doesn't allow that.

 

[Chess Piece Face]

^^ Just the "loon" part.

Sorry! I didn't word that correctly. I meant to say something like "if it is true then, ok" but it is so obviously fake to me that I guess I couldn't even do that.

 

[freak]

First of all, I had a really tough time reading your posts..but then re-read them after you reposted(thanks for doing that BTW!).
My advice is about the same as everyone else's. Only I have something else to say: I don't think it's right to force your way into someone's heart. I learned that the hard way in my college years, and believe me, forcing your way into someone's heart is not the answer if you want someone to love you.
Also, I'm really sorry for all of your losses..that must be kinda tough going through things like that. I'm not sure if your posts are real or not, but if they are and you are as genuine as you type your posts, then I would suggest leaving that Jane Doe girl alone for a while. Maybe she'll come to you later on? Who knows? But love's a crazy thing.

 

[CaptainHawk1]

Why do you care? Obviously, there are people who are willing to give this Poster the benefit of the doubt on the chance that there's a Human Being out there who needs some sympathy and compassion. It's rather a pity that you find this so bothersome. Personally, I think it's worth it.

Because I don't like liars and as I've said before I don't appreciate the compassion of other people on this board (which is genuine) being taken advantage of by an amateur romance novel writer.

It's none of your business what they do with their compassion; apparently they have plenty to spare.

I find your hostility toward sympathy and trust very sad.

No, I have no hostility toward the sympathy and I keep making that very clear, but you read what you want to and edit out where I have specifically praised the compassion of these posters.

I will ask this again: If this is legitimate, why hasn't the OP commented since the OP?

Perhaps because of your hostility. Or perhaps because he was a faker.

I haven't been hostile, I've questioned his veracity based on the fact that his claims have been proven false. Just because someone is skeptical of someone's claims based on the claims not having any validity, that doesn't make them hostile and I resent that implication. Furthermore, why is he afraid of words on a screen? It's not like I'm in his apartment asking him to back up his claims. Not only has he not posted in this thread, but he hasn't posted on the board at all since the OP. I think he's sitting back and laughing at people who believed him.

Either way, this Thread only reflects well on those who responded with kindness.

I certainly agree with that assessment and I have stated as much.

It's a rather a pity that so many people in this thread apparently are missing something in their lives so deeply that they throw their skepticism out the window in favor of this fiction that makes them feel important to be involved with.

They're not missing anything; rather, they have a healthy supply of Human kindness and they're not afraid to show it despite knowing they might be taken advantage of. What's a pity is those who live in fear and hide behind a wall of anger.

Please stop misrepresenting my motivations and interpreting my emotional state. You've done this before to me and it's out of line. I'm not living in fear and I'm not angry about this, and furthermore I've made it abundantly clear that I have the utmost respect for the compassion and kindness of the posters on the bbs.

I truly believe that except for a few jerks, most of the people on this board are good-hearted and compassionate and have the best intentions at heart for their fellow board members. I don't like seeing newbie rabble-rousers coming in and starting trouble.

Again, are you just choosing to ignore what I've said about the compassion of the people in this board or are you just not reading my posts in their entirety?

My issue isn't with anyone who's responded to this, my issue is with the OP who I don't think is being truthful with his claims (as I've proved) and the fact that he's taking advantage of people.

I'm allowed to have my opinion and all you illustrate with these responses is that my assessment of cognitive dissonance is completely on the mark.

I'm not the one who's being inconsistent with their claim and I don't deserve the onslaught of attacks over my opinion.

Like I said, look it up yourself if you're so sure that he's being truthful with his claims.

-Shawn

 

[CaptainHawk1]

It's none of your business what they do with their compassion; apparently they have plenty to spare.

I find your hostility toward sympathy and trust very sad.

The OP isn't violating any board rules that I know of, but you're coming really close to badmouthing him on a part of the board that doesn't allow that.

Nice try but that's nonsense. If it's fake then it's spam and it's trolling and besides, I haven't badmouthed him. I've done the research and the claims don't pan out. Where do you come up with this business that my opinion that the OP isn't legitimate is "badmouthing?" Do you honestly think it's acceptable to accuse someone of "flaming" because you disagree with them?

If people are going to carry this torch for what I believe is a fraudulent post and respond directly to my posts then I'm going to respond in kind.

Why wouldn't I?

-Shawn

 

[Pingfah]

Lack of googleable evidence is not proof. You should choose your words more carefully.

 

[CaptainHawk1]

Lack of googleable evidence is not proof. You should choose your words more carefully.

You're assuming I only used Google or a search engine.

I work in a law office and I have more resources at my disposal than you could possibly dream of. Search engines are a good place to start but not to end. I can find out anything about anyone usually within an hour. I get paid to do research.

-Shawn

 

[Pingfah]

You may consider it proven to yourself but you haven't proven a thing to us, especially if you are claiming you have access to resources that we don't.

You are simply expecting us to take you at your word then, which is the same thing this guy is doing. You are just an internet stranger, I have no more reason to believe your claims than his.

 

[CaptainHawk1]

You may consider it proven to yourself but you haven't proven a thing to us, especially if you are claiming you have access to resources that we don't.

You are simply expecting us to take you at your word then, which is the same thing this guy is doing. You are just an internet stranger, I have no more reason to believe your claims than his.

Do a cursory search at the most basic level and you'll come up with the same lack of information or just call the Memphis PD.

I don't have a vested interest in this being a fake. I didn't just decide that I didn't want to believe, because I did at first... which is exactly why I started doing research to verify.

Whether you like me or not, I've never been accused of being a liar, and I actually have some credibility. But you can continue to stick your fingers in your ears.

Anyway, believe me or not, do the research for yourself using the two methods I've listed above and decide for yourself.

But, by the same token, my statements should be given at least as much credence as the OP, wouldn't you think?

Just curious, since we're on the subject of Search Engines, why do you think that there aren't any news articles available that indicate the circumstances he's claimed? What's the logical explanation for that?

-Shawn

 

[Pingfah]

You didn't need to repeat yourself. I am simply saying that you have not proved it, so claiming that you have, as you have done several times, is erroneous. My own standard for proof goes beyond what I can find out on the internet, so it won't prove anything to me.

 

[CaptainHawk1]

You didn't need to repeat yourself. I am simply saying that you have not proved it, so claiming that you have, as you have done several times, is erroneous. My own standard for proof goes beyond what I can find out on the internet, so it won't prove anything to me.

How do you expect me to prove a negative to you?

Besides, I didn't repeat myself...

Call the MEMPHIS PD.

-Shawn

 

[Pingfah]

How do you expect me to prove a negative to you?

I don't, I expect you not to claim that you have done.

Besides, I didn't repeat myself...

Call the MEMPHIS PD.

-Shawn

No, i'm not going to do that I don't care if it's true or not. You didn't call the fucking cops to find out did you?

 

[CaptainHawk1]

How do you expect me to prove a negative to you?

I don't, I expect you not to claim that you have done.

Besides, I didn't repeat myself...

Call the MEMPHIS PD.

-Shawn

No, i'm not going to do that I don't care if it's true or not. You didn't call the fucking cops to find out did you?

You see, that's the difference. I have enough access to enough records that I don't need to.

You don't.

You have to if you want to know.

But you don't want to, fine.

So don't get into pissing match with me because you don't have the desire to do the legwork. The difference between him and I is that I've given you sources to go to that anyone can can have access to, he hasn't.

But common sense should make you at least skeptical that there are absolutely no news stories available that indicate the circumstances in the OP. You don't have to believe me, but use your head.

And that 's why you should continue digging.

But you don't care, right? You would just rather argue with me when I've given you verifiable sources.


-Shawn

 

[LaxScrutiny]

Lack of googleable evidence is not proof. You should choose your words more carefully.

You're assuming I only used Google or a search engine.

I work in a law office and I have more resources at my disposal than you could possibly dream of. Search engines are a good place to start but not to end. I can find out anything about anyone usually within an hour. I get paid to do research.

-Shawn

I just Googled the name "Shawn" and you don't work in a law office. It looks like you make leotards or something.

 

[Pingfah]

You would just rather argue with me when I've given you verifiable sources.


-Shawn

I'm arguing with you?

I just disputed that you proved it.

 

[CaptainHawk1]

Lack of googleable evidence is not proof. You should choose your words more carefully.

You're assuming I only used Google or a search engine.

I work in a law office and I have more resources at my disposal than you could possibly dream of. Search engines are a good place to start but not to end. I can find out anything about anyone usually within an hour. I get paid to do research.

-Shawn

I just Googled the name "Shawn" and you don't work in a law office. It looks like you make leotards or something.

That's just stupid. The OP gave specific details about the circumstances of his parents' death and the robbery that he alleges he was a victim of. I didn't bother looking into the other parts of his story because they were so vague. Also, like I said, because I know you're having a hard time handling this concept I have access to reources that you don't, that are paid for.

What's wrong with you? Why do you doubt me but give accept the OP's claim at face value. Do you realize how absurd that sounds?

Again, I have no vested interest in proving the OP fake. I've given you information and I've given you sources that you can verify them with.

Do with them what you want.

-Shawn

 

[CaptainHawk1]

You would just rather argue with me when I've given you verifiable sources.


-Shawn

I'm arguing with you?

I just disputed that you proved it.

Actually, you are correct, it hasn't been proven to anyone but me. You can easily verify the evidence that I've suggested and make your own decision.

I just don't buy any of the story.

-Shawn