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Why Didn't The Defiant Have Its Own Crew?

DGCatAniSiri,
The Defiant was assigned to DS9. That meant that the ship was there for the station's crew to use.

That's kind of unusual. I mean ships dock at stations, but it's kind of odd for a ship to be manned by the station's crew. You generally need people trained in the ship's systems and such...


CuttingEdge100
 
That's kind of unusual. I mean ships dock at stations, but it's kind of odd for a ship to be manned by the station's crew. You generally need people trained in the ship's systems and such...

Well assuming the Defiant's systems were standard Fed tech (with the exception of the cloak) then they would. In fact new Starfleet people on DS9 would have more trouble on DS9 than the Defiant.
 
As was said before, they probably have more then one shift.

They did. They had a three-shift rotation until Starship Down, when - as part of trying to keep Sisko awake - Kira suggests going to a four-shift rotation. At the end of the episode, Sisko brings that up as a serious suggestion, and then it happens in Assession.
 
Does the Enterprise have a crew when they are in space dock?

Sure it has a crew, it is just that the crew is on the space station when they are not on deployment. Hey, if you were on Enterprise and ths ship is in space dock for a few weeks and there is no need to repair the ship. Were you want to be?
 
Starfleet took that ship out of whatever dock it was stuck in and gave it to Sisko to help with the growing threat of the Jem'hadar.

Let's remember how the ship was supposed to "help": it was supposed to perform a suicide mission to the heart of the Dominion, ostensibly to establish some sort of contact with the enigmatic Founders. Starfleet didn't think the ship or her crew would come back: we explicitly heard them give zero odds for success before the mission launched. So perhaps the main attribute of the Defiant was "expendable"?

Well in Defiant the Defiant blew the crap out of a good number of Cardassian Warships which were far larger then her.
 
Well in Defiant the Defiant blew the crap out of a good number of Cardassian Warships which were far larger then her.

I only remember the Defiant knocking one Keldon out of the fight in the episode. It did destroy an outpost, shipyards and some sort of comm station but it seemed to mostly avoid confrontation with the Cardassian fleet.
 
Well in Defiant the Defiant blew the crap out of a good number of Cardassian Warships which were far larger then her.

I only remember the Defiant knocking one Keldon out of the fight in the episode. It did destroy an outpost, shipyards and some sort of comm station but it seemed to mostly avoid confrontation with the Cardassian fleet.

Hmmmm I think it did more then most ships if you think the size of the ships and the amount of weapons ships have.
 
The tally of the ship in "Defiant" was relatively impressive, despite Tom Riker's apparent intention to limit himself to purely military targets. It began with one border outpost destroyed (while a diversionary force attacked another outpost, with unspecified results) so that the ship could slip into her hunting grounds. Then followed attacks on (although not necessarily destruction of)

...a shipyard in Omekla III, a weapons depot in the Dameron system, and a communications relay on the Rokat colony.

After that, the ship was finally trapped, and she disabled one Keldon with four quantum torpedoes, without creating visible structural damage.

Basically, the writers were trying to emulate the adventures of German raiding ships or submarines in the World Wars - relatively weakly protected and armed vessels that used stealth and surprise to wreak havoc on a great number of vulnerable targets where the defender least expected an attack, and sometimes managed to destroy actual warships by audacious close range attacks as well. Despite Tom Riker's boasting, the performance of the ship in this episode doesn't yet speak of superior combat abilities, just of a very effective mode of operations.

The superior abilities might have come to play had Tom Riker really tried to penetrate the defenses of the secret Orias shipyards, though...

Timo Saloniemi
 
I always assumed that the Defiant-Class Project was simply resumed at the Utopia-Planitia Ship Yards once the previously mothballed Defiant Prototype Testbed had been reevaluated by Starfleet Command.

It was completely overhauled and reconfigured by both Captian Sisko (the Project's Designer) & Chief O'Brien allowing the ship to function optimally and retain it's overpowered edge without sacrificing stability of the class.

It had proven its viability and effectiveness as a Starship Class by taking into account the outcome of multiple Military Engagements which Defiant participated in. (Against Dominion, Cardassian, & Klingon Forces notably.)

It was small and cheap to produce via Starfleet Standards & Capability so once the Dominion War ramped up, I assume the modified/refit design was integrated into full scale production efforts.

More than likely, Starfleet still had several leftover Defiant-Class Spaceframes (which had been in the process of being fabricated as part of the original design project) to utilize when they finally resumed production of the class during the Dominion War.

I assume this because, the Project wasn't just to design one ship and validate it's effectiveness, it was to design a class of ships that could be mass produced, cheaply and efficiently (Think the Ford Model-T) packing more offensive power than any other ship of its size and tonnage. They'd have to of been at least attempting to create an assembly line component to achieve this goal. Hence Mothballed Spaceframes when the Project was shut down. (Plus we know Starfleet hardly ever throws anything away.)

It's also possible that the Registry #s were all Legacy #s from previous "Famous" or "Battle-Tested" ships that had been decommissioned already but their Names preserved to pass on their "Record of Accomplishments". Similar to the Enterprise.
 
It was completely overhauled and reconfigured by both Captian Sisko (the Project's Designer) & Chief O'Brien allowing the ship to function optimally and retain it's overpowered edge without sacrificing stability of the class.

Alternately, O'Brien just installed some limiters so that the ship could never be run at full power and thus wouldn't rip herself apart. We do hear that the ship in the later seasons still has serious problems with high warp speed, requiring trickery to go past warp nine where other TNG era vessels have maintained such speeds with relative ease.

I assume this because, the Project wasn't just to design one ship and validate it's effectiveness, it was to design a class of ships that could be mass produced, cheaply and efficiently (Think the Ford Model-T) packing more offensive power than any other ship of its size and tonnage.

This is possible. However, it is equally possible that the ship was an expensive "silver bullet" and that only two prototype hulls were ever built, these being the Defiant and the similarly registered Valiant. Perhaps mass production of these vessels was particularly difficult, being more comparable to the smallish F-117 bomber than the smallish Model T automobile?

Some people take Sisko's "The Search" comment about this design being the first step in building a battlefleet against the Borg and interpret it as meaning that Starfleet intended to build a fleet of Defiants. But it could just as well be that Starfleet used the Defiant to test concepts that would allow it to later build "real" warships, not ones hobbled as badly as this undersized testbed that was unsuited for mass production.

Sure, the Defiant class later grew in numbers, something that no other known starship design did during the war. But the growth wasn't particularly massive: two or at most three ships of this class per each multi-hundred fleet seen... So perhaps the idea of silver bullets would better fit the description than the Model T idea does?

It's also possible that the Registry #s were all Legacy #s from previous "Famous" or "Battle-Tested" ships that had been decommissioned already but their Names preserved to pass on their "Record of Accomplishments". Similar to the Enterprise.

Possible, I guess. But when Starfleet has recycled numbers previously, it has used a letter suffix to denote this trick. There is no direct indication of registry recycling beyond the letter-suffixed Enterprises and arguably the Yamato.

Timo Saloniemi
 
^All good points. I can see it from that perspective easily.

>Part of the fun of 'Star Trek' for me (as a collective universe) has always been figuring out ways in which to have it all "make sense", or rather coming up with explanations for things that were never specifically spelled out in the Series Proper.

Probably one of the reasons I enjoy the Literature as much as I do. It tends to expand upon topics like this in reasonable and compelling ways.
 
Imagine my surprise when, in the final fleet shot of "Call to Arms," you could see other Defiant-class vessels aside from the Defiant herself. You'd really have to pay attention.

Sure, those vessels could be the same vessels we see in "Message in a Bottle" due to rarity of the class :) I just liked the idea of seeing several Defiants together for a change.
 
^I always guessed that the Defiant-class had just proven itself in combat situations. With Sisko and O'Brien's efforts to get its various flaws under control, they now had a ship design that could take on the Dominion (and the Borg, it gave a good account of itself in First Contact) and was relatively easy to build.

Remember, the rebels in the Mirror Universe were able to build one from scratch just from Smiley's stolen plans.
 
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