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Reminder: New 'Wolverine and the X-Men" series starts airing 1/23/09

Johnny Rico

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Apparently this series was supposed to have started airing this past fall, but it was delayed. Well, in the US it starts airing next Friday, the 23rd in the US on Nicktoons. Apparently it started airing in Canada on YTV this past Sunday, the 11th.
 
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Is NickToons some cable channel you pay extra for, or is that just Nickelodeon? I only have basic cable.
 
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Is NickToons some cable channel you pay extra for, or is that just Nickelodeon? I only have basic cable.

Basic cable? What's that? Get with the game dude. If you can't afford more than basic cable, you just need to shoot yourself in the face right now. Adama would.

No seriously....NickToons is an off-shoot of Nickelodeon. Just as ToonDisney is an off-shoot of the Disney Channel.
 
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Oh, man. That sucks. I don't get Nick Toons, I just checked my package. I got laid off two months ago so I'm not exactly in the prospect for paying even MORE for cable. Oh well, I'll just have wait for the DVD. I can't believe that the new X-Men cartoon is only airing on a special pay-for cable channel! Unbelievable.
 
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I just ordered a digital upgrade, and it's actually only a couple of dollars more per month than what I'm paying now. In fact, if I'd left off the package that includes Nicktoons, I'd be paying less for 150ish channels of digital than I'm paying now for 70-odd channels of regular. Which is odd, but I guess it's a demand thing. Maybe fewer people subscribe to basic these days so the company has to charge more to support it, or maybe they're charging less for digital to encourage the switchover. (I just hope they're not setting me up for a big price hike in two years when the introductory "price lock" guarantee expires.)
 
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Oh, man. That sucks. I don't get Nick Toons, I just checked my package. I got laid off two months ago so I'm not exactly in the prospect for paying even MORE for cable. Oh well, I'll just have wait for the DVD. I can't believe that the new X-Men cartoon is only airing on a special pay-for cable channel! Unbelievable.

Well, get off cable. Go satellite. I'm pretty sure that channels like that are in one of the lowest tiers. Yep, just checked DISH's basic $19.99 Family package and NickToons is included.
 
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Well, a pretty interesting show so far. Spoilers ahead:



The show has taken the X-Men universe to a pretty dark place -- the X-Men are scattered, Xavier and Jean are believed dead, the government is demanding mutant registration and anti-mutant paranoia is at its height. Although it's about as toned down in terms of violence as you'd expect, it's still fairly intense. It's kind of like the creators are picking up from where their previous show X-Men Evolution left off; that show got darker and more intense with each season.

That said, I don't think the new show is quite in the same continuity as XME, though I don't see anything yet that blatantly contradicts it. The characters look different, especially Toad, but that could be artistic license (or secondary mutation?). The personalities and relationships aren't quite the same in some cases, and the relative ages of some of the characters seem different. It's borrowing a lot from the movies, including a taller Wolverine, a bond between Wolverine and Rogue, an Iceman whose parents can't deal with their son being gay, err, a mutant, and a Beast who sounds a lot like Kelsey Grammer. I think it's not trying to be a direct continuation of XME, but so far I think it could pass as one if you squint a little.

I like the female character designs. Kitty Pryde in particular is rather lovely here. Lukewarm on the males; the huge muttonchops on Wolverine and Beast (who apparently have the same barber) can be distracting. The voice work is fairly good too.
 
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Well, a pretty interesting show so far. Spoilers ahead:



The show has taken the X-Men universe to a pretty dark place -- the X-Men are scattered, Xavier and Jean are believed dead, the government is demanding mutant registration and anti-mutant paranoia is at its height. Although it's about as toned down in terms of violence as you'd expect, it's still fairly intense. It's kind of like the creators are picking up from where their previous show X-Men Evolution left off; that show got darker and more intense with each season.

That said, I don't think the new show is quite in the same continuity as XME, though I don't see anything yet that blatantly contradicts it. The characters look different, especially Toad, but that could be artistic license (or secondary mutation?). The personalities and relationships aren't quite the same in some cases, and the relative ages of some of the characters seem different. It's borrowing a lot from the movies, including a taller Wolverine, a bond between Wolverine and Rogue, an Iceman whose parents can't deal with their son being gay, err, a mutant, and a Beast who sounds a lot like Kelsey Grammer. I think it's not trying to be a direct continuation of XME, but so far I think it could pass as one if you squint a little.

I like the female character designs. Kitty Pryde in particular is rather lovely here. Lukewarm on the males; the huge muttonchops on Wolverine and Beast (who apparently have the same barber) can be distracting. The voice work is fairly good too.

Yeah, I picked up on a lot of what you're saying, but I've never seen XME. Was gonna buy their DVDs but didn't like the way they were packaged. They never finished releasing them.

Anyway, I think this series picks up where the movies left off, or at least draws from the films for influence.


My biggest gripe is the animation. It looks dated already. Looks like something prior to XME. Like something out of the late '90s. Of course it didn't help that the series airs on NickToons and it's not available in HD anywhere that I know of, E* doesn't have it in HD, and I don't think D* has it either. And it's clearly rendered in 16:9, yet shown in 4:3.

Did you happen to catch the copyright date in the credits? 2007. So this show has been in the bag now for at least a year, and it's just now airing? What gives with that? I know it was supposed to have started last fall, rather than now, but geez...

That said, the show has already been picked up for a second 26-episode season. So we're gonna get at least 52 episodes.

But back to the animation...I guess I've just been spoiled on the Clone Wars. Both in animation style and violence level.

In anycase, I'll still record and watch this series to see where it goes.
 
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Anyway, I think this series picks up where the movies left off, or at least draws from the films for influence.

It's definitely not in the same continuity as the films, since various characters are alive who died in the films, and Rogue still has powers. And the Brotherhood seems more like the band of ruffians it was in XME (although a bit more hardcore) than the terrorist organization of the comics and films. But there is definitely an attempt to evoke the films, focusing on a similar mix of characters, putting them in similar relationships, giving Beast a Kelsey Grammer-soundalike voice, etc. At the same time, though, they seem to be trying not to diverge too far from the XME continuity.

My biggest gripe is the animation. It looks dated already. Looks like something prior to XME. Like something out of the late '90s.

It looked fine to me. I'm not sure quite what you mean by "dated." Do you mean in the design style or in the quality of the execution? The latter is more a matter of budget and skill than chronology. And if anything, I'd say the late '90s was a time when American TV animation was at its pinnacle. That was the age of The New Batman/Superman Adventures and Batman Beyond, which were superbly made shows.


And it's clearly rendered in 16:9, yet shown in 4:3.

Yeah, I noticed that. In the credits, the title seems to be cut off on the sides, and the shot of the team standing side-by-side is clearly meant to be wider than the screen.

Did you happen to catch the copyright date in the credits? 2007. So this show has been in the bag now for at least a year, and it's just now airing? What gives with that? I know it was supposed to have started last fall, rather than now, but geez...

TV is like that sometimes, especially where animation is concerned. It took FOX three years to dribble out the 20-episode second season of Batman: TAS. And we've been waiting nearly a year for the second half-season of Spectacular Spider-Man. I'm just grateful that W&tXM found a broadcast outlet after all.

That said, the show has already been picked up for a second 26-episode season. So we're gonna get at least 52 episodes.

That's good.

But back to the animation...I guess I've just been spoiled on the Clone Wars. Both in animation style and violence level.

For me, less violence is generally better. And I remain disappointed by the character animation in Clone Wars. I gather that the characters are supposed to move stiffly and evoke the feel of Gerry Anderson's marionette shows, but it looks lame.
 
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Its a pretty good. USA always waiting for the goos dtuff:lol: I didn't get the chance to watch the first episode yet just episodes 5 and 8 but from the looks of those its pretty good.
 
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My biggest gripe is the animation. It looks dated already. Looks like something prior to XME. Like something out of the late '90s.

It looked fine to me. I'm not sure quite what you mean by "dated." Do you mean in the design style or in the quality of the execution? The latter is more a matter of budget and skill than chronology. And if anything, I'd say the late '90s was a time when American TV animation was at its pinnacle. That was the age of The New Batman/Superman Adventures and Batman Beyond, which were superbly made shows.

I meant the painted backgrounds. The character designs are fine. I also didn't care for the sloppy 3D movement effects of like cars and stuff. The blackhawk helicopter animation was fine, but the cars andn Logan's motorcycle moving along twisting and turning roads looked bad. But as you say, like something out of Batman Gothic Knights.

TV is like that sometimes, especially where animation is concerned. It took FOX three years to dribble out the 20-episode second season of Batman: TAS. And we've been waiting nearly a year for the second half-season of Spectacular Spider-Man. I'm just grateful that W&tXM found a broadcast outlet after all.

You mean, that they've only aired a half-season of Spectacular Spider-Man?

That said, the show has already been picked up for a second 26-episode season. So we're gonna get at least 52 episodes.

That's good.

Yeah, I got that from the wikipedia entry for the show.

But back to the animation...I guess I've just been spoiled on the Clone Wars. Both in animation style and violence level.

For me, less violence is generally better. And I remain disappointed by the character animation in Clone Wars. I gather that the characters are supposed to move stiffly and evoke the feel of Gerry Anderson's marionette shows, but it looks lame.

Well, I do agree with you there about the character designs, at least for the human'esk characters, but Grievous is very well done. And yeah, I do believe that they're done that way to mimmick Gerry Anderson's supermarionation New Captain Scarlet show. Did you ever see that show? CG animated? Great sets, props, effects and all, but the character designs although a bit more realistic than Clone Wars, are still a bit stiff in their movements.

But I love the violence level on the Clone Wars. Never thought we'd seen people getting "run through" with lightsabers on the usually "child-friendly" Cartoon Network.
 
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I meant the painted backgrounds.

There are still plenty of shows that use 2D painted backgrounds, even if the "paint" is digital. Indeed, I'm sure this show used the same digital animation techniques that are standard today, since every show does.

I also didn't care for the sloppy 3D movement effects of like cars and stuff. The blackhawk helicopter animation was fine, but the cars andn Logan's motorcycle moving along twisting and turning roads looked bad.

Granted, the 3D animation is relatively crude. Which would be an issue of budget or skill on the part of the 3D animators.

But as you say, like something out of Batman Gothic Knights.

Err, I said nothing of the kind. For one thing, there's no show by that name. The New Batman Adventures is sometimes referred to in fandom as Gotham Knights, but not "Gothic." For another thing, I was citing that as an example of the best in American animation. And that show used little or no 3D vehicle animation, as far as I can recall.


You mean, that they've only aired a half-season of Spectacular Spider-Man?

26 episodes have been produced to date, and 13 have aired. In broadcast and story-structure terms, that is a full season, but in production terms it's half of the initial order.

Well, I do agree with you there about the character designs, at least for the human'esk characters, but Grievous is very well done.

It's not the designs I was complaining about, it's the walk cycles. Also, the facial models seem to be a little lacking in articulation so their expressions are limited; however, the animators often do a pretty good job of getting around that and making the characters suitably expressive. It's just those stiff walk cycles that are still a problem.

But I love the violence level on the Clone Wars. Never thought we'd seen people getting "run through" with lightsabers on the usually "child-friendly" Cartoon Network.

Well, CN is the network that allowed Justice League and Justice League Unlimited to get far more adult in terms of violence, death, and sexual innuendo than any previous DC Animated Universe show. And the supposedly kid-friendly Batman: The Brave and the Bold has dealt rather frankly with death in its past two episodes. Not to mention that CN was the home of The Powerpuff Girls, a show which took ultraviolence to an extreme (if parodic) degree.

Still, the kind of explicit onscreen violence shown in SWTCW -- like actually showing someone get stabbed to death on-camera -- would probably not have been permitted if not for Lucasfilm's clout. However, TCW does hold the violence within certain limits; the good guys are usually only seen killing droids or animals, and the most egregious stab-in-the-back killings have both been committed by villains.
 
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The Powerpuff Girls had ultra-violence?!?! I never saw the show, but what exactly do you mean by that?
 
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The Powerpuff Girls had ultra-violence?!?! I never saw the show, but what exactly do you mean by that?

PPG was conceived as a parody, playing off the incongruity of cute kindergarten-age girl superheroes engaged in comically ultraviolent battles. In Craig McCracken's original student film, the characters were called the Whoopass Girls, and the secret ingredient that gave them their "ultra-super powers" was not Chemical X, but "a can of whoopass." (I originally believed the show was a parody of anime, blending and exaggerating the girl-superhero stuff of something like Sailor Moon and the violence that's pervasive throughout anime, but apparently that wasn't McCracken's intent. Ironically, though, PPG did become very popular in Japan and spawned an anime version called Demashita! Powerpuff Girls Z, in which the girls are preteens rather than kindergarteners.)

The show itself routinely featured the Girls beating their enemies to a pulp or being badly beaten themselves. Villains would often be shown sustaining massive bruises, losing teeth, even bleeding. In many episodes, the City of Townsville was subjected to extreme damage, often inflicted by the Girls' own mistakes or overzealousness. In one noteworthy episode, a giant blowfish monster was shown devouring people whole, destroying a bus with people in it, razing entire city blocks, grabbing a train full of screaming people and using it as nunchakus, etc. There was no indication that any of those people survived. No established or recurring characters were ever killed, though. It was caricatured, cartoon violence.

The thing is, people often miss the point of satire, and believed that just because PPG looked like a cute, innocuous preschool-type show, it must actually be that. So the show ended up becoming popular with an audience it wasn't intended for, and in later seasons it got toned down and became closer to being the kind of kiddie show it was supposed to be spoofing.
 
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I've already seen the first 12 episodes of this new X-Men series. It's interesting so far; there's Genosha as a faux haven under Magneto's control, Xavier in a coma, and a few good cameos by Gambit and others.

Enjoy,

James
 
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I like the maturity of the writing. It's definitely in the league as JLU and Clone Wars. I like the animation too. I agree, really like the way Kitty is drawn. And Scott looks cool too.
 
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I also didn't care for the sloppy 3D movement effects of like cars and stuff. The blackhawk helicopter animation was fine, but the cars andn Logan's motorcycle moving along twisting and turning roads looked bad.

Granted, the 3D animation is relatively crude. Which would be an issue of budget or skill on the part of the 3D animators.

Wel, OK...I'll give'em that.


Err, I said nothing of the kind. For one thing, there's no show by that name. The New Batman Adventures is sometimes referred to in fandom as Gotham Knights, but not "Gothic." For another thing, I was citing that as an example of the best in American animation. And that show used little or no 3D vehicle animation, as far as I can recall.

Oops, yeah, I meant Gotham. :p

26 episodes have been produced to date, and 13 have aired. In broadcast and story-structure terms, that is a full season, but in production terms it's half of the initial order.

That's interesting. I guess that's why we haven't seen a full season DVD set announced yet.

Well, I do agree with you there about the character designs, at least for the human'esk characters, but Grievous is very well done.

It's not the designs I was complaining about, it's the walk cycles. Also, the facial models seem to be a little lacking in articulation so their expressions are limited; however, the animators often do a pretty good job of getting around that and making the characters suitably expressive. It's just those stiff walk cycles that are still a problem.

Yeah OK...yeah, the walk cycles are a bit wooden. So is some of the fighting motions as well. But I think all of that has to do with the character designs. With the way they are, motion animations are going to be a bit awkward.

I just don't know why they designed the characters that way when everything else is practically movie quality design. From the sets to the ships and special effects. I mean, if you can design movie quality props and sets, why can't you make the characters look a bit more realistic?

But I love the violence level on the Clone Wars. Never thought we'd seen people getting "run through" with lightsabers on the usually "child-friendly" Cartoon Network.

Well, CN is the network that allowed Justice League and Justice League Unlimited to get far more adult in terms of violence, death, and sexual innuendo than any previous DC Animated Universe show. And the supposedly kid-friendly Batman: The Brave and the Bold has dealt rather frankly with death in its past two episodes.

Still, the kind of explicit onscreen violence shown in SWTCW -- like actually showing someone get stabbed to death on-camera -- would probably not have been permitted if not for Lucasfilm's clout. However, TCW does hold the violence within certain limits; the good guys are usually only seen killing droids or animals, and the most egregious stab-in-the-back killings have both been committed by villains.

True...true, but still, it's pretty suprising that CN is allowing that, but considering that they do use the PG-V warning prior to some graphic segments, I guess what is one to expect?

In any case, I can't wait for the full season DVD set. Even at my ripe-ol' middle aged, age of 35, some animated shows are some of my favorite. Not because they are animated per say, but because of the progress animation has made over the past 10 years or so. From the use of digital painting to 3D effects and now CG shows.

Did anyone ever see the CG-animated show Shadow Raiders? Also known as War Planets? It was prety cool and it was made back in '99. It's animation was excellent for the time. Done by Mainframe, IIRC. Same company that did the Beast Wars and Beast Machines shows.

Hell, for my namesake here..I would't mind seeing a new Starship Trooper Roughnecks series done the same way Clone Wars is being done now. Could be pretty cool.
 
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Yeah OK...yeah, the walk cycles are a bit wooden. So is some of the fighting motions as well. But I think all of that has to do with the character designs. With the way they are, motion animations are going to be a bit awkward.

Actually I find the martial-arts animation to be superb, which isn't surprising seeing as how some of the directors are veterans of Avatar: The Last Airbender. It's just a problem with the way the walk cycles are animated. It's not a design issue but a movement issue.

I just don't know why they designed the characters that way when everything else is practically movie quality design. From the sets to the ships and special effects. I mean, if you can design movie quality props and sets, why can't you make the characters look a bit more realistic?

They weren't trying for realism. CG animation is still animation. Why limit yourself to a mere copy of reality when you can explore more vivid and distinctive design approaches? Look at The Incredibles. They had the technology to do realistic human beings, but they opted for highly cartoony designs instead. Because there's no point in using animation if you're not going to take advantage of the artistic potential of the form. If Lucas had wanted this show to look like live action, he would've done it in live action. The look of The Clone Wars is meant to be a 3D interpretation of the visually striking designs Genndy Tartakovsky did for the 2D Clone Wars animated series.
 
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Episodes 1 through 14 have aired in Canada so far, and it's a pretty good show; Kyle and Yost, two of the prime movers, are also Marvel Comics writers, so the show is exceedingly up-to-date in terms of more recent characters (lots of cameos) and such, which is nice. Having Emma Frost on the lineup, in particular, is great. The least-interesting parts so far have been, ironically, two of the three solo Wolverine episodes (the last one was excellent).
 
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