And I'd be willing to bet that both of those extremes would be outnumbered by those who would be indifferent to it. Resurrect her.. whatever. Don't resurrect her.. whatever.
Janeway Died? In Which Book?
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Apparently, there's going to be a Red Janeway and a Blue Janeway in the next book....
Heck, I like Janeway, and thought her death was limp and the dramatic logic behind it absurd, but even so I don't want another cheap Trek resurrection. I'd rather see the fiction try to make the aftermath of her death more meaningful than the event itself.
Perhaps, but as has been pointed out here, this sort of thing is done all of the time so people are used to it. Why be actively 'angry' over it? Similarly, death is also done all of the time (even as common as it is for characters to be brought back, permanent death is still an active concept even in sci-fi). I just don't think 'most' people have these rather extreme reactions to this stuff. A lot sure.. but 'most'?
Wait, so your argument is that they should resurrect Janeway because most people will be only mildly annoyed?
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Oookay.
At exactly no point did I say they should or should not resurrect Janeway. I said that I highly doubt "most" people would care one way or the other.
Ok, my mistake, I apologize. And in that case, you make a fair point.
But it's clear that at least in this thread, many people care pretty deeply in both directions. So I don't find the conversation as useless as your comment would imply.
In that case, I guess that one more or less wouldn't matter.
As for Janeway, they shouldn't have killed her off in the first place.
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Yes, some would be p***ed off by it. But I think that most Voyager fans would be happy to see Janeway back and since this is about Voyager I do think it would matter.
Voyager without Janeway would be like Beatles without John Lennon, Rolling Stones without Mick Jagger and Oasis without the Gallagher brothers.
In that case, I guess that one more or less wouldn't matter.
As for Janeway, they shouldn't have killed her off in the first place.
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Yes, some would be p***ed off by it. But I think that most Voyager fans would be happy to see Janeway back and since this is about Voyager I do think it would matter.
Voyager without Janeway would be like Beatles without John Lennon, Rolling Stones without Mick Jagger and Oasis without the Gallagher brothers.
It was already Voyager without Janeway as a captain, as canon mandated she become an admiral. It was already Voyager without its whole gimmick - being lost in the Delta Quadrant - again, as mandated by canon. Given that, it'd be highly unrealistic for the crew to continue in the same manner, too.
So, since Janeway wasn't going to be in command anyway, the whole purpose of the show was completed, and the cast would've had to shuffle regardless, it's a little bit like saying that the Beatles stopped being good because John Lennon's solo band backup drummer left. As in, the Beatles broke up long ago, and now you're just picking nits.
No problem, it's the internet, misunderstandings happen.
I don't intend to imply that the conversation is useless at all. Indeed I don't think any conversation is useless -- even canon discussions (which I know I'm in the minority on that).
However, my original response was in response to someone who stated (paraphrase) "no resurrection means lots of angry people" then another said (paraphrase again) "at least as many would also be angry if there was a resurrection". My response was to indicate that even given those 'angry' people, I doubt MOST would be "ANGRY" at all regardless of what takes place.
I'd also like to point out that I keep saying "I'd bet.." "I doubt.." "I think..." which is the only implication I intend in my posts about it, that it is my opinion. I could be completely wrong in that truly the vast majority of people do actually have such visceral reactions to what I would consider rather small things in the grand scheme of things.
I have to disagree there. Sure she was a big part of the series, but there are still plenty of other characters who can still carry the series. Hell, for some of the characters Janeway's death could actually be a good thing, since it will allow them to get more pages.
Oh, and as for feelings about Janeway's death and ressurection, you can put me down as someone who doesn't care that much about her death (sure I was it sucks they killed her, but there are still plenty of characters I like better, including book only characters) who would be pissed if they brought her back. It's not that I don't think Janeway should come back, I'm just died of all the damn resurrections, IMO when a character is killed they should stay dead for at least 2 or 3 years (either show or real world, depending on how fast the show moves along) before there is even the slightest chance of them coming back. I say 2 or 3 years, because IMO that is probably enough time for the characters to start to really move on and do new things before they return (if they do).
Oh, and as for feelings about Janeway's death and ressurection, you can put me down as someone who doesn't care that much about her death (sure I was it sucks they killed her, but there are still plenty of characters I like better, including book only characters) who would be pissed if they brought her back. It's not that I don't think Janeway should come back, I'm just died of all the damn resurrections, IMO when a character is killed they should stay dead for at least 2 or 3 years (either show or real world, depending on how fast the show moves along) before there is even the slightest chance of them coming back. I say 2 or 3 years, because IMO that is probably enough time for the characters to start to really move on and do new things before they return (if they do).
if people die, they should stay dead. it's one thing to have a character narrowly escape death and disappear for a while, but another for a character to be outright blown to smithereens AND THEN come back from the dead.
(still pissed they brought Ultimate Beast back. Thanks a bunch Kirkman!)
(still pissed they brought Ultimate Beast back. Thanks a bunch Kirkman!)
It would hardly be the next book. Janeway was killed in 2007, and we've already been told that Full Circle and Unworthy (or any other book, since, after all, one doesn't need a VOY novel to make majors changes to the VOY cast) won't be bringing her back, so the earliest Janeway could make a return would be several years after her apparent death.
In this thread yes. And we represent, what, maybe two dozen people who care enough to come onto this board and argue at length about death/resurrection... like LS, I highly doubt that the majority of the readership will be put off one way or the other.
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I assume there is a group of readers out there that buy everything Star Trek, no matter how badly or well written it is. I don't think this is the group the book sellers should be pleasing, do you? Shouldn't there be an attempt to expand the number of readers? And wouldn't that attempt require that the books appeal to the new or infrequent buyers?
If/when the Voyager Relaunch books fail to sell as well as they hope, will the editors/writers realize that they might have, themselves, added to the problem by not finding a way to reunite the crew and captain in a true Voyager "relaunch"?
From the hubris I've seen here, I doubt it.
If/when the Voyager Relaunch books fail to sell as well as they hope, will the editors/writers realize that they might have, themselves, added to the problem by not finding a way to reunite the crew and captain in a true Voyager "relaunch"?
From the hubris I've seen here, I doubt it.
I assume there is a group of readers out there that buy everything Star Trek, no matter how badly or well written it is. I don't think this is the group the book sellers should be pleasing, do you? Shouldn't there be an attempt to expand the number of readers? And wouldn't that attempt require that the books appeal to the new or infrequent buyers?
If/when the Voyager Relaunch books fail to sell as well as they hope, will the editors/writers realize that they might have, themselves, added to the problem by not finding a way to reunite the crew and captain in a true Voyager "relaunch"?
From the hubris I've seen here, I doubt it.
Hubris?!
How about telling people that do this FOR A LIVING how they should be going about that job, based on NOTHING but your own personal intuition?
That's not just hubris - that's arrogance.
Depending on your definition of "many".
More accurate, I think, to say that a handful of people who write many, many, many posts care deeply.
The Pocket editors and authors do not take their cues from this or any other internet board. It's a fun place to interact, but that's about it. Even if we were a representative sample, we have no consensus in our opinions.
I'm generally happy with how the Janeway death was handled. It gave more "oomph" to Before Dishonor, and it gave her a fitting end battling against her nemesis. If the people at Pocket decide to do a story with Janeway in it that is set after Before Dishonor, they do not have to write a resurrection story. The current continuity between books is a choice, not an obligation.
"Killed? Who was killed? Janeway? Never happened!" (end Seinfeld mode)
I'm generally happy with how the Janeway death was handled. It gave more "oomph" to Before Dishonor, and it gave her a fitting end battling against her nemesis. If the people at Pocket decide to do a story with Janeway in it that is set after Before Dishonor, they do not have to write a resurrection story. The current continuity between books is a choice, not an obligation.
"Killed? Who was killed? Janeway? Never happened!" (end Seinfeld mode)
Fair enough.
No professional writer or editor sets out to publish a badly written book. But I certainly want Pocket to keep trying hard to please this particular completist, lest I suddenly decide I no longer wish to be a completist.
"In this book, they kill off a major character." Such word of mouth can sell books. Lots of them. It's a double edged sword, of course, since it may cause some fans to resolve never to read any books.
We've been told that the four VOY Relaunch novels so far sold way beyond the editors' expectations. The first two underwent many reprints.
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