Tell that to the plebes at Annapolis, West Point, and Colorado Springs.
The New Movie: What Are Your Fears?
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Been There....
But, using plebes as an example doesn't ring quite true.
That harassing is, for the most part, quite controlled and strictly observed.
On the other hand, once past the first couple of months and definitely into yer 2nd year... Anything pretty much goes.
Never been bullied in the workplace, have you?
Not a rebel desperately trying not to be rebellious.
If the movie is good, it's good. If the movie is bad, it's bad. Isn't that the bottom line here?
Of course, it being good would be the worst fears for the unconditional and repetitive bashers. Makes you wonder if they'd be more vocal about how bad the movie is after it comes out if it's actually bad, or if it's good.
Of course, it being good would be the worst fears for the unconditional and repetitive bashers. Makes you wonder if they'd be more vocal about how bad the movie is after it comes out if it's actually bad, or if it's good.
3D Master
Rear Admiral
The only person that ever attempted to bully me, quit ten minutes later, after he found out what kind of reaction that brought from me.
Except for that annoying problem, that the only place where Kirk might have been trying not to be rebellious, would be LATER ON in his academy run. As in, when he was an upper classman himself. The result being that he'd look even more like a wimp and less like man that he already would.
Besides, defending yourself from a bully is not being rebellious, it's what you do.
Apparently not even their own networks. If they produced a show they believed in, they'd run it on CBS.
It's what you did.
3D Master
Rear Admiral
It's what anyone with a backbone does.
Lightinspire
Lieutenant Commander
Two things:
- Hey, you never know what kind of Holmes stories could be told if they were set in the present day. There's potential there, I think. Holmes in a business suit? Dr. Watson as a CSI type?
- Even if Holmes stories stick to the original setting...well, you know, it's an existing historical era. They already know what it should look like, so its look and feel are pre-defined. Any stories told in that era *must* look like the ones we've seen for 'umpty-ump' years. Not so for Trek. There's no specific reason to make the film look exactly like TOS. I mean, come on, not even the MOVIES did that.
None of the movies started out depicting time in the past of the same characters that I know of. Sure they did time travel but the movies themselves were set in the future..this one they are going backwards. It would not have to look just like the 60's show because this is PRE those shows...I could be wrong but it doesn't make sense that have a pre star trek series look more modern than the one that is supposed to come after it...
Exactly so. No one thinks the numbers are there for "Star Trek" right now.
Well, I can only reiterate, you've have little experience with bullies and bullying because it's never that easy, even for someone with high self esteem and brains and fists to match.
Good. Then don't watch it then. Some of us would like a new ST movie, and don't mind a few things being tweaked if it means the movie will attract lots of new fans.
Really?
Wonder how the cowardly little Jimmy Kirk described in "Shore Leave" was ever tapped for command, in that case. For that matter, how did he ever get into the Academy?
Or just maybe you're making a flatfooted and silly assertion there.
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I suspect that if Starfleet Academy used West Point or Annapolis as a model, a cadet who assaulted an upperclassman -- even one who regularly tormented him with practical jokes -- would very quickly find himself dismissed from the Academy, with no possible future as a Starfleet officer. It would be easy to view as a better man the Kirk who resisted the temptation to retaliate, keeping his focus instead on the goal of a Starfleet officer's commission, than it would a Kirk who forgot his place in the defined hierarchy of Starfleet Academy and washed out in a disciplinary action.
It has nothing whatsoever to do with size or strength -- nothing to do with the ability to strike back; upperclassmen are superior beings by definition and a plebe in Kirk's place would be expected (within reason) to take what was dished out by someone higher in the chain of command. Practical jokes (not bullying -- bullying is stated nowhere onscreen) are what he had to suffer, and that he did so patiently even though he felt like getting even is part of what allowed him to become the Captain Kirk we saw on television every week. Patience, rather than thinking with his fists: that's where the "backbone" lay.
At least that's the way I always read it, even the first time I watched the episode on its original run.
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He is every American citizen's president, but that is not really a topic for discussion in this forum. If you wish to discuss the content or sentiment in someone's signature line, PM would probably be a better bet, or raise it in one of the threads in Misc or TNZ more suited to the topic.
I demand proof!
Makes more sense than the alternative explanations being put forward here.
In any event, no canonical Trek story has ever shown Kirk's early life or Starfleet training. So what we get in this movie will be the one and only official version of that.
So you've been to one of Braga's parties too, huh?
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