STV:TFF - How did this POS get made?!?

[QuasarVM]

Nope, same viewscreen. It was painted gray like the rest of the bridge, and had some molding placed on either side of it. And the little chase lights were made to look like individual bulbs rather than the blobby blue lights in TVH. But it was still the same viewscreen.

Yeah, that's what I meant...they changed it -- maybe not completely, but it wasn't as boring looking as it was in TFF. I hated that blue light under the screen. The added details in STVI were great. The one in TFF looked unfinished...boring...and was made ever worse by those awful "electronic howling" sound effects that kept interrupting the viewscreen footage...

And yeah...I DID like the lighting on the TMP bridge. I think the bridge looks better dark...it reminds me of the bridge of a submarine when it's darker. I prefer that look -- so sue me.

I don't recall the TOS bridge ever looking as bright as the TFF bridge or the Next Gen bridge...there were variations in the lighting, but not dramatic variations. It was never lit like the interior of a department store (Walmart or Target come to mind) like, say the TFF, STVI Excelsior, and Enterprise D bridge were!

 

[cardinal biggles]

On the other hand, if you have a bridge as brightly lit as the TFF bridge or the Voyager bridge, and then it suddenly gets dramatically dark, and blue and red become the dominant lighting colors, that makes the transition to alerts much more dramatic.

 

[QuasarVM]

Yeah, that's true. That's a good point, but for my money, the red "battle lights" tend to work well for that...

 

[Maurice]

I forgot to add that the Bridge of the Enterprise-A was awful. It was clearly a redress of the Enterprise-D.

Three words: Eye Exam...now

They're not even remotely the same set.

 

[ancient]

STVI had some of the best sets & props of any Trek movie. Maybe THE best. The bridge, the new shuttle, the jefferies tube set, the phaser. I can overlook the ENT-D corridors/transporter set since they are pretty similar to the TMP sets - or are, in fact, redresses of TMP sets to begin with.

Shatner is right about the rock men. They would've helped the ending, which is a bit anti-climatic as is.

ROCK MEN!!!

The ST6 redress bridge was ok, but no where near as good as the original set.

 

[ConRefit79]

I saw TFF twice when it was in the theater. I was very disappointed by the effects, production goofs( Can you say deck 64) and excessive use of humor.

Some of the humor was corny, forced or inappropriate. I've read much of the humor was forced in the script by the studio. They thought it worked so well in TVH, so it would work here to.

Now I think it is the best character driven story, next to TWOK and TSFS. The scene with the Kirk, Spock, McCoy and Sybok in the lounge was very powerful. The seen in the lounge after Kirk is rescued and with Kirk and Spock on the BOP are equally powerful.

Someone asked how a small band of primitive religious zealots commandeered the Enterprise. First the Enterprise only had a skeleton crew of mostly engineers. Second, the same skeleton crew was preoccupied with the Klingons. What does not make sense is Scotty witnessing the events in the cargo bay and not contacting the bridge.

Obviously, the broken Enterprise or Lemonprise was just a plot device to have a small crew and no transporters. I suppose we could say the malfunctions were side effects of the Whale Probe.

So if a new Directors cut were to clean up some of the obvious productions flaws, bad humor and the poor effects, this film would be either my 3rd or 4th favorite in ST film.

 

[RobertScorpio]

I saw TFF twice when it was in the theater. I was very disappointed by the effects, production goofs( Can you say deck 64) and excessive use of humor.

Some of the humor was corny, forced or inappropriate. I've read much of the humor was forced in the script by the studio. They thought it worked so well in TVH, so it would work here to.

Now I think it is the best character driven story, next to TWOK and TSFS. The scene with the Kirk, Spock, McCoy and Sybok in the lounge was very powerful. The seen in the lounge after Kirk is rescued and with Kirk and Spock on the BOP are equally powerful.

Someone asked how a small band of primitive religious zealots commandeered the Enterprise. First the Enterprise only had a skeleton crew of mostly engineers. Second, the same skeleton crew was preoccupied with the Klingons. What does not make sense is Scotty witnessing the events in the cargo bay and not contacting the bridge.

Obviously, the broken Enterprise or Lemonprise was just a plot device to have a small crew and no transporters. I suppose we could say the malfunctions were side effects of the Whale Probe.

So if a new Directors cut were to clean up some of the obvious productions flaws, bad humor and the poor effects, this film would be either my 3rd or 4th favorite in ST film.

Great logic in your post, and I totally agree. I love how they ask how a bunch of primatives could do what they did in V, but then don't seem to mind that a little geek (wesley) almost destroyed the ship in the second episode of TNG...

Rob

 

[TheGodBen]

Great logic in your post, and I totally agree. I love how they ask how a bunch of primatives could do what they did in V, but then don't seem to mind that a little geek (wesley) almost destroyed the ship in the second episode of TNG...

Rob

The Naked Now is one of the worst episodes of TNG and very few people take it seriously. Jonathan Frakes actually said he is "totally ashamed" of it.

 

[QuasarVM]

I think he should be more ashamed of "Justice"...

It was "high social commentary" about dealing the death penalty to people who step in flower beds...




That's great stuff. The stuff of epic and classic Trek.

I hereby grant this episode the Spock's Brain Award of Excellence.

 

[cardinal biggles]

No, that was "Justice." "The Naked Now" was the one where they blatantly ripped off a classic TOS episode and had everyone act goofy.

 

[QuasarVM]

No, that was "Justice." "The Naked Now" was the one where they blatantly ripped off a classic TOS episode and had everyone act goofy.

Yeah...I caught that...getting senile...

 

[CobraCommander]

I forgot to add that the Bridge of the Enterprise-A was awful. It was clearly a redress of the Enterprise-D.

Three words: Eye Exam...now

They're not even remotely the same set.

If it was an all new set, I apologize. I didn't mean that it was the Enterprise-D bridge, just that the dimensions of the ST V bridge closely resembled the Enterprise D. The carpet and lighting also give the illusion that it is the same bridge. To me, it looked as if the monitor banks were shoehorned into the Ent-D bridge. The sweeping lights below the viewscreen also resembled the Ent-D. Either way, it didn't look that good compared to ST VI, IMHO.

 

[CobraCommander]

I saw TFF twice when it was in the theater. I was very disappointed by the effects, production goofs( Can you say deck 64) and excessive use of humor.

Some of the humor was corny, forced or inappropriate. I've read much of the humor was forced in the script by the studio. They thought it worked so well in TVH, so it would work here to.

Now I think it is the best character driven story, next to TWOK and TSFS. The scene with the Kirk, Spock, McCoy and Sybok in the lounge was very powerful. The seen in the lounge after Kirk is rescued and with Kirk and Spock on the BOP are equally powerful.

Someone asked how a small band of primitive religious zealots commandeered the Enterprise. First the Enterprise only had a skeleton crew of mostly engineers. Second, the same skeleton crew was preoccupied with the Klingons. What does not make sense is Scotty witnessing the events in the cargo bay and not contacting the bridge.

Obviously, the broken Enterprise or Lemonprise was just a plot device to have a small crew and no transporters. I suppose we could say the malfunctions were side effects of the Whale Probe.

So if a new Directors cut were to clean up some of the obvious productions flaws, bad humor and the poor effects, this film would be either my 3rd or 4th favorite in ST film.

I figuered that Sybok could have 'released the pain' of everyone he came along on his way to the bridge. What did not make sense was Scotty not contacting the bridge to flood the deck with gas or sending security down to the shuttlebay. Lastly, these primatives were themselves not that many. Even a skeleton crew with phasers should have been able to overcome them. But again, my previous comments were... Who cares how they did it? It's the journey that matters.

 

[BillJ]

With a better director and VFX house, I think this one would've been one of the best.

 

[Tulin]

I think he should be more ashamed of "Justice"...

It was "high social commentary" about dealing the death penalty to people who step in flower beds...




That's great stuff. The stuff of epic and classic Trek.

I hereby grant this episode the Spock's Brain Award of Excellence.

I will always be grateful to "Justice" for, well, let's just say a late night viewing with a friend led to rewinding again and again the images of all those buffed guys running around and one thing led to another.....

 

[cardinal biggles]

If it was an all new set, I apologize. I didn't mean that it was the Enterprise-D bridge, just that the dimensions of the ST V bridge closely resembled the Enterprise D. The carpet and lighting also give the illusion that it is the same bridge. To me, it looked as if the monitor banks were shoehorned into the Ent-D bridge. The sweeping lights below the viewscreen also resembled the Ent-D. Either way, it didn't look that good compared to ST VI, IMHO.

The dimensions of the TFF bridge closely resembled the dimensions of the TVH bridge; both were a complete circle, whereas the TNG bridge was more of an oblong shape. The lighting and beige color and use of Okudagrams on all the consoles were deliberate; Shatner was impressed with the set design for TNG, and that's why he hired Herman Zimmerman to be his production designer on the movie. So there's a TNG influence on the look of the new sets, but the TFF bridge was its own unique, specially constructed set which was wholly seperate from the TNG bridge.

 

[Therin of Andor]

I forgot to add that the Bridge of the Enterprise-A was awful. It was clearly a redress of the Enterprise-D.

Three words: Eye Exam...now

They're not even remotely the same set.

Unless he meant redress of the framework of the Enterprise-D's Battle Bridge, which was what remained of the "Phase II/TMP/ST II/ST III/ST IV bridge.

 

[Therin of Andor]

"Justice": the images of all those buffed guys running around...

One of whom was Gene Roddenberry Jr, aka Rod.

 

[trevanian]

I forgot to add that the Bridge of the Enterprise-A was awful. It was clearly a redress of the Enterprise-D.

Three words: Eye Exam...now

They're not even remotely the same set.

Unless he meant redress of the framework of the Enterprise-D's Battle Bridge, which was what remained of the "Phase II/TMP/ST II/ST III/ST IV bridge.

I didn't think there was even much of that reused. I thought it was the turbolift alcoves and some frame around that, plus a bit of floor platform and something from the helm.

 

[QuasarVM]

I just love Shatner's assertion that the reason the movie bombed is because there was no rockmen breathing fire at the end. Because that would have fixed all the other problems with the movie, wouldn't it?

Thinking back to this, wouldn't so many other films be made into something quite awesome with fire breathing rockmen present?

Dennis,

That's what Tin Man needed! Rockmen!!! It's would have put it over the top as more than just a great episode...but it would have taken it to the next level as a classic!

I think when Tam Elbrun beams over to take his place "aboard" Tin Man at the end, he should've been attacked by fire-breathing rockmen!

Then at the end during the exchange between Troi and Data, Troi could have said "Data...you DO understand. Sometimes life can be ironic. Sometimes we think we are going to spend eternity with a Tin Man and instead we get attacked by fire-breathing rockmen. That's just the way life is sometimes..."

Roll final credits.

It would have been ironic...