STV:TFF - How did this POS get made?!?
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I rather enjoyed Star Trek V, and never understood the hate. It was hardly the best, and the main plot was nothing much but to be honest - that's often the way in both Star Trek movies and TV episodes. What makes me enjoy it are the character details. Kirk, Spock and McCoy have never seemed more..."real" as genuine friends than in this movie. Love the campfire scenes.
I just love Shatner's assertion that the reason the movie bombed is because there was no rockmen breathing fire at the end. Because that would have fixed all the other problems with the movie, wouldn't it?
Thinking back to this, wouldn't so many other films be made into something quite awesome with fire breathing rockmen present?
I just love Shatner's assertion that the reason the movie bombed is because there was no rockmen breathing fire at the end. Because that would have fixed all the other problems with the movie, wouldn't it?
Thinking back to this, wouldn't so many other films be made into something quite awesome with fire breathing rockmen present?
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I just love Shatner's assertion that the reason the movie bombed is because there was no rockmen breathing fire at the end. Because that would have fixed all the other problems with the movie, wouldn't it?
Thinking back to this, wouldn't so many other films be made into something quite awesome with fire breathing rockmen present?
Whenever I watch COTEOF, I always think it would be so much more profound if, instead of being hit by a car, Edith was eaten by a fire-breathing rock-man.
Thinking back to this, wouldn't so many other films be made into something quite awesome with fire breathing rockmen present?
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I thought that the shuttle was built to withstand being hoisted by a crane with the actors inside for that particular shot. I'm trying to find my copy of the making of book on TFF to check, but no such luck.
trevanian
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Yeah, it was on a crane. spfx supervisor Mike Wood participated in that, along with the makeshift flying rig for the turboshaft. You can knock that, but considering he knocked it out in just a few weeks, it is pretty impressive. Wood is a very underrated guy; he did practical floor fx on POLTERGEIST and INNERSPACE and some fantastic fire work in ALWAYS.
^The Galileo landing is the most impressive effect shot in the movie because it was done live on location before the cameras. It is awesome cool!
Pretty much exactly what I was going to say. Despite its flaws, Star Trek V seemed the most "old school TOS" to me.
It even had a monster in it...
I first saw ST V about a decade ago on TV. I always felt that it was was the closest that the movies came to the Original Series. Basically, the Enterprise finds a 'prophet' who takes them to a forbidden and formerly unreachable area of human exploration. How he makes the ship travel from the Neutral Zone to the Center of the galaxy in seven hours.... Who Cares. How does he seize control of a 400 member crew starship using Neanderthals with pellet guns... Oh Well!! In the end, the 'prophet' finds his false god and Kirk sends the false god packing.
After watching the movie again, my ranking of this film dropped a notch. I felt that there was too much slapstick humor. The Enterprise was a joke. It was as if they built the ship on Fridays (eager to go home early) and Mondays (too hung over to do the wiring). Kirk would not tolerate a ship in that kind of disarray. The F/X weren't that great, but it was the stories that got people hooked on Star Trek. I personally conclude that this film should be seen for its character development; just Like ST I should be viewed as setting development. cobracommander
After watching the movie again, my ranking of this film dropped a notch. I felt that there was too much slapstick humor. The Enterprise was a joke. It was as if they built the ship on Fridays (eager to go home early) and Mondays (too hung over to do the wiring). Kirk would not tolerate a ship in that kind of disarray. The F/X weren't that great, but it was the stories that got people hooked on Star Trek. I personally conclude that this film should be seen for its character development; just Like ST I should be viewed as setting development. cobracommander
I forgot to add that the Bridge of the Enterprise-A was awful. It was clearly a redress of the Enterprise-D. The monitors in the backround seemed out of place and the vast expanse in front of the Viewscreen didn't help either. These are items that the director (Shatner) should have addressed. Also, Sybok's raid of Paradise City should have transitioned better. At least this film was better than the TNG films and ST I. cobracommander
trevanian
Rear Admiral
Nope, not a redress, brand new set. Proton monitors might not be perfect, but the size of the set is the same as on the earlier movie set, just shot with better lenses.
The Star Trek 5 bridge was the best version in any Trek movie, TOS or TNG-based. Meyer screwed it up in ST 6.
I liked the ST 6 bridge...but the only things needing changing on the ST V bridge is the lighting and that horrid viewscreen (which, thankfully, Nick Meyer had replaced for ST6)-- oh, and way too much white (which would have been more acceptable in less lighting -- a' la' the TMP bridge). Again, way way too bright! What's with people over lighting the bridge?
Go back and watch TOS. The bridge was never brightly lit in those episodes.
Too bad that shuttle design was abysmal. Well, at least it didn't have wings as originally conceived for the film...that would have been worse.
I just love Shatner's assertion that the reason the movie bombed is because there was no rockmen breathing fire at the end. Because that would have fixed all the other problems with the movie, wouldn't it?
Thinking back to this, wouldn't so many other films be made into something quite awesome with fire breathing rockmen present?
I want the rockmen restored to the film via state of the art cgi.
Then I'll have something else to laugh at when I watch this movie!
Nope, same viewscreen. It was painted gray like the rest of the bridge, and had some molding placed on either side of it. And the little chase lights were made to look like individual bulbs rather than the blobby blue lights in TVH. But it was still the same viewscreen.
What white? The set was pretty much the same color of beige Herman Zimmerman used on the TNG bridge.
trevanian
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Maybe he means he likes the lighting to be dingy like TMP (which is nothing like TOS either, since TOS had bright AND dark stuff, lots of contrast, which almost none of the movie bridges had to my satisfaction till later on.)
The TFF bridge has the advantage (seen in red alert scenes) of changing the environment drastically to visually dramatize the action. The TUC bridge is pretty much always that way, just red at times.
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