SG-A – Enemy At The Gate (5x20) FINALE – (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS!)

[James Bond]

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In honor of awards season, I'd like to officially announce that "Enemy At The Gate" officially beats Voy's "Endgame" for the category of "Series Finale That Conjured Up A Relationship From Out Of Nowhere."

Move over, Chakotay and Seven! Ronon and the Gateroom chick just took your spot!

If you had been watching this season, you would know that a relationship between the two had been building (and certainly hinted at) for some time now.

Golden Gate bridge...STAR TREK IV REFERENCE. Bad idea to reference a better franchise.

You're kidding, right? That has to be a joke.

I have no clue where he pulled that out of.

 

[Ro_Laren]

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I just watched the finale (via TiVo). I'm sad to see that the show ended. IMO, the episode was pretty predictable.

For a second I thought SGA was going to pull an Enterprise and pointlessly kill off Ronan... I'm glad to see that he made in through.

Is San Francisco Bay large enough to hold Atlantis?? The view at the end seemed to be an homage to Star Trek! LOL!

 

[Ro_Laren]

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In honor of awards season, I'd like to officially announce that "Enemy At The Gate" officially beats Voy's "Endgame" for the category of "Series Finale That Conjured Up A Relationship From Out Of Nowhere."

Move over, Chakotay and Seven! Ronon and the Gateroom chick just took your spot!

If you had been watching this season, you would know that a relationship between the two had been building (and certainly hinted at) for some time now.

They have been hinting at it???? I totally didn't notice. In fact, I thought that perhaps they had maybe aired a Ronon & the Gateroom chick episode that I completely missed.

 

[Hyperspace05]

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In honor of awards season, I'd like to officially announce that "Enemy At The Gate" officially beats Voy's "Endgame" for the category of "Series Finale That Conjured Up A Relationship From Out Of Nowhere."

Move over, Chakotay and Seven! Ronon and the Gateroom chick just took your spot!

If you had been watching this season, you would know that a relationship between the two had been building (and certainly hinted at) for some time now.

Ehh... She has only really interacted (beyond being a gate-tech) with anyone of the cast in one episode.

How exactly does that equate to 'building for some time'??? That would necessitate at least two prior episodes of with them interacting. Please also provide a list of the hints.

 

[firehawk12]

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They basically started the relationship by saying that they were training partners or whatever. That part itself was explained during exposition when Michael took over Atlantis and they were working together while the rest of the "bridge crew" was passed out.

 

[Michael_One]

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I agree with the previously mentioned comments on things that detracted from the ep:

* Ronon should stay dead. His sacrifice should count for something.
* Earth pitifully unready for the Wraith attack.
* Oh by the way, in our spare time we've been working on this super duper instant noodle space drive...

I liked the General Hammond reference. The man was a true class act.

To me, the big problem was the faceless enemy, Earth is menaced by Wraith we haven't seen before. To clean this up they should have kept one bad, bad Wraith around, who would have infiltrated the hive- ZPM program and taken over at the critical moment when the ZPM went online. I am, of course, talking about Michael ( no relation to myself). One last showdown, Michael vs Atlantis with the fate of the world hanging in the balance... it would have been epic. They could have explained the Michael who fell off the central tower a few eps ago was just a clone or something.

All together now:

Michael is
Not.
Dead.

 

[Hyperspace05]

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I agree with the previously mentioned comments on things that detracted from the ep:

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* Earth pitifully unready for the Wraith attack.

OH YES. I forgot to mention this in my mini-review.

The time frame was not specified in the episode, but in the past it has taken WEEKS, not days to travel between Earth and Atlantis. (Ignoring wormhole drive )

Sure, maybe the ZPM sped up the travel time. But there implication seemed to be that Earth had at least several days of warning. And what did they assemble?
- A single squadron of F-302s.
- A room of people in front of computers at SGC.
- An ancient chair not even hooked up or in use.

Please. Is this truly all that Earth could have provided?

And yes I know that the Apollo/Chinese ship was sent out to meet the Wraith ship - It would have been more EPIC and impressive to have a massive fleet battle near Earth instead of offscreen far away.

 

[Brent]

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Yeah, i'm kinda dissapointed Earth doesn't have better defenses now with 10+ years of gate travel. We have aquired many technologies, why aren't these being put to use for Earth's defense? For example, a Satalite system that surrounds the earth and can fire point lasers or beam weapons at ships in orbit. Come on, we got the database of the Asgard and Ancients there, we should have more defensive capability now beyond just building a few ships.

 

[cylkoth]

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In honor of awards season, I'd like to officially announce that "Enemy At The Gate" officially beats Voy's "Endgame" for the category of "Series Finale That Conjured Up A Relationship From Out Of Nowhere."

Move over, Chakotay and Seven! Ronon and the Gateroom chick just took your spot!

If you had been watching this season, you would know that a relationship between the two had been building (and certainly hinted at) for some time now.

I've watched the entire season...and they only first spoke to each other in the Prodigal, when she took him by surprise with her martial artist skillz. There was no building and or hinting. Just like McKeller, instant, easy (half!) baked relationship.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

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Good, nice way to close out the series, even if it wasn't exactly groundbreakingly original. And they blew their chance to blow up the Golden Gate Bridge.

The lack of regular-character deaths was unsurprising. We all know there will be DVD movies, right? How can they afford to kill Ronan (much less Shep!) for real? I wouldn't have minded them axing Teyla or Keller. Or Ronan's dull new girlfriend. The women on this series need serious help!

 

[cylkoth]

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The lack of regular-character deaths was unsurprising. We all know there will be DVD movies, right? How can they afford to kill Ronan (much less Shep!) for real?

Totally unsurprising indeed, considering they-MGM, put out a photo showing the very last scene of the episode a few months ago...

 

[Morpheus 02]

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It was hysterically funny--in an unintentional way--how Ronon was abruptly brought back after getting such a great death scene. People aren't safe from the Wraith even if they're dead! Damn! Also, we can't kill off Ronon; we need him for the movie! Maybe, in the movie, they'll have Ronon team up with that cute little kickboxer.

i thought it was a lame death scene for Ronan (even before seeing the resurrection). I mean, he gets stabbed by a wraith after fighting off ONE other wraith?

i would have pictured him taking on at least 3 or 4 at the same time, with his death, saving someone's life. THAT would have been an appropriate Ronan death scene.

 

[rac76]

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The episode wasn't bad as it was mindless entertainment, and that's what I like sometimes. This was the second episode that I watched this season, so I can't compare it to the others. Overall, compare this episode to seasons past and this episode was faster pace. I really haven't been a fan of Atlantis as I have found it boring, so if I watch an episode it's because the commercial looked rather entertaining. I don't care about the details (but I was curious who the chick was at the end), I just want to be entertained and not put to sleep. So I graded this episode 'Good' as I stayed awake for the whole thing!

I probably won't buy the upcoming movie dvd, but if it's on Sci-Fi channel then I will watch it (if nothing else is on). I'm curious to see how the new show 'Universe' will be executed, hopefully it will be rather entertaining.

 

[steveman]

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In honor of awards season, I'd like to officially announce that "Enemy At The Gate" officially beats Voy's "Endgame" for the category of "Series Finale That Conjured Up A Relationship From Out Of Nowhere."

Move over, Chakotay and Seven! Ronon and the Gateroom chick just took your spot!

If you had been watching this season, you would know that a relationship between the two had been building (and certainly hinted at) for some time now.

As others have said, it was half-baked and sorely under-developed. Quite frankly, it was pathetic. Much like the Chakotay/Seven 'ship, but worse.

And yes, James Bond, I've been watching this season.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

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Yeah I saw hints of Ronan and Gateroom Chick's relationship early on, but it smacked of contrivance then and still does now.

I mean, shouldn't we all remember her name if she's so damn important? Why bother to shoehorn in this pointless relationship at the end of the show? Even having Ronan try to muscle in on Keller (if for no other reason than to yank McKay's chain) would be more interesting.

Much like the Chakotay/Seven 'ship, but worse.

Chak/Seven was utterly artificial and unconvincing but at least the VOY writers put some effort into the groundwork instead of just hacking together a couple of "foreshadowing" scenes and calling it good. Laaaaazy.

 

[BCI]

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Yeah I saw hints of Ronan and Gateroom Chick's relationship early on, but it smacked of contrivance then and still does now.

A nice guy gets a hot chick. They met and it clicked. Why the need for any buildup? IMHO on a show just as good as IRL...

And that's not lazy at all. On the contrary... who would watch a show called Stargate for it's detailed portrayal of relations? Only a woman.

 

[DWF]

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Yeah I saw hints of Ronan and Gateroom Chick's relationship early on, but it smacked of contrivance then and still does now.

A nice guy gets a hot chick. They met and it clicked. Why the need for any buildup? IMHO on a show just as good as IRL...

And that's not lazy at all. On the contrary... who would watch a show called Stargate for it's detailed portrayal of relations? Only a woman.

And it's not like we're talking dinner, movie and sex afterward she just wanted to see if he was OK and then they checked out the view with the others, not really much of a relationship there.

 

[cylkoth]

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... I stayed awake for the whole thing!

This should have been one of the poll options.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

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A nice guy gets a hot chick. They met and it clicked. Why the need for any buildup? IMHO on a show just as good as IRL...

IRL is not the same as drama. RL is pretty random but in drama, there is some expectation that events depicted are not just random shit the writers feel like throwing at us, and should be crafted to create coherent storylines that have, I dunno, some kind of point? Was there a reason Ronan needed a girlfriend at this late date, particularly one who shows no signs at all of ever being an interesting or worthwhile character (presumably for the DVD movies). Maybe they're going to give Teyla the boot and Gate Chick is the replacement, but I don't see how she's an improvement.

who would watch a show called Stargate for it's detailed portrayal of relations? Only a woman.

That's right, women watch TV for intelligent things like smart characterization and character interactions. Men watch TV to see shit get blowed up real good. That's why so much of TV seems to be made for morons - it is!

Not that I ever expected anything intelligent from Stargate. But it's fun to tear to shreds for being as completely dumbshit as it is.

not really much of a relationship there.

You're right, it isn't. That's what makes it pointless.

 

[steveman]

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Much like the Chakotay/Seven 'ship, but worse.

Chak/Seven was utterly artificial and unconvincing but at least the VOY writers put some effort into the groundwork instead of just hacking together a couple of "foreshadowing" scenes and calling it good. Laaaaazy.

Exactly. Both relationships crystallized in some way in each show's respective finale, but the Voyager writers did, indeed, put more work into Chakotay/Seven than the Atlantis writers ever did for Ronon/Gateroom Chick Whose Name Isn't Important Enough For Any Of Us To Remember.

Ladies and Gentlemen, the Atlantis writers at their laziest.