SG-A – Enemy At The Gate (5x20) FINALE – (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS!)

[Chevron Guy]

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A flawed ending to the series, but on par with most of the better episodes. It's safe to assume that Atlantis will go back into space since there is little point in having a movie about the SGA team running around on earth. And what about Teyla's baby? She seemed to have no remorse over leaving him behind. Then again, the kid hasn't even been mentioned for some time now.

 

[David cgc]

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Doesn't the kid and his father live on Atlantis?

 

[DWF]

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^It's not a matter of what you can see, it's a matter of what has been shown on screen. Finding a ZPM is a big deal in this show, it doesn't happen off-screen.

I said the Ancient Outpost had a ZPM, if the chair has moved then it's ZPM would go with it.

The Daedalus makes regular trips backwards and forwards between Earth and Atlantis. It was probably already in the Pegasus galaxy. Their shields, which had previously stood up to heavy fire from Wraith vessels without a ZPM, went down in seconds. They made a point of saying they were dead in the water and it's only because the Wraith chose not to continue firing that they survived.

How could the chair work at Area 51 with or without a ZPM? If they meant for the chair to work at Area 51 shouldn't they have had a person there who could operate it? And while the Daedalus could've been in it's way there, the other ships would still take weeks to get to the Pegasus galaxy but somehow they managed to get there and try to take on the hive ship while it was still in the Pegasus galaxy.

 

[Brent]

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All of the BC-304s have the Asgardian beam weapony and I'm sure all of the ones in the Pegasus galaxy had a ZPM.

No, they recovered three ZPMs once they'd gotten rid of the Replicators in "The Return, Part Two". Prior to that, the last ZPM they had was fully drained in "McKay and Mrs. Miller".

One went to the Odyssey, one went to power the Ancient outpost and Atlantis kept one. Earth's other ships - the Daedalus, Apollo, Sun Tzu and the General Hammond - do not have ZPMs.

They drained the Atlantis one in "Adrift" but managed to steal one from the Replicators to replace it.

There's no way the Daedalus could've or the others for that matter could've reached the Pegasus galaxy in the time needed for them to fight the hive ship without a ZPM and there's no proof that the outpost still has one without the chair being there, I don't see they could work the defences from Area 51. And since the General Hammond was still close to earth no I can't see it having a ZPM. Besides I can't see the Daedalus surviving that battle against the hive ship without a ZPM though.

Well that's where you are wrong. The other ships didn't reach the Pegasus galaxy. I got the impression they fought the Wraith hive ship when it was in the Milky Way, where they were. The Deddy was already in the Pegasus galaxy.


The outpost probably still has the ZPM installed. The chair may have been moved, but the ZPM may still be in the outpost, there would be no reason to move that.

The Deddy does NOT have a ZPM on board. The only time it did was when it delivered the ZPM to Atlantis way back in "The Seige". Remember, it took them only 3 days to get to Atlantis with the ZPM. Ever since them it has now taken them 3 weeks to travel between Earth and Atlantis without the ZPM.

 

[Brent]

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^It's not a matter of what you can see, it's a matter of what has been shown on screen. Finding a ZPM is a big deal in this show, it doesn't happen off-screen.

I said the Ancient Outpost had a ZPM, if the chair has moved then it's ZPM would go with it.

The Daedalus makes regular trips backwards and forwards between Earth and Atlantis. It was probably already in the Pegasus galaxy. Their shields, which had previously stood up to heavy fire from Wraith vessels without a ZPM, went down in seconds. They made a point of saying they were dead in the water and it's only because the Wraith chose not to continue firing that they survived.

How could the chair work at Area 51 with or without a ZPM? If they meant for the chair to work at Area 51 shouldn't they have had a person there who could operate it? And while the Daedalus could've been in it's way there, the other ships would still take weeks to get to the Pegasus galaxy but somehow they managed to get there and try to take on the hive ship while it was still in the Pegasus galaxy.

Who says those ships fought the hive in the Pegasus? Nothing on screen points to this. It seems like they fought it in the Milky Way. That is what makes sense with everything we saw.

The Chair can operate the drones from a great distance, they probably could have still controlled the drones from Area 51. Why didn't they have someone in the chair? Now that's a good question and more of a problem with the writting IMO.

 

[Hermiod]

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How could the chair work at Area 51 with or without a ZPM? If they meant for the chair to work at Area 51 shouldn't they have had a person there who could operate it?

That's why they brought Sheppard back. He was intended to operate the chair. He was supposed to fight off the Darts, land, and then take control of the chair.

And while the Daedalus could've been in it's way there, the other ships would still take weeks to get to the Pegasus galaxy but somehow they managed to get there and try to take on the hive ship while it was still in the Pegasus galaxy.

They didn't fight the Hive in the Pegasus galaxy.

 

[DWF]

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^It's not a matter of what you can see, it's a matter of what has been shown on screen. Finding a ZPM is a big deal in this show, it doesn't happen off-screen.

I said the Ancient Outpost had a ZPM, if the chair has moved then it's ZPM would go with it.

The Daedalus makes regular trips backwards and forwards between Earth and Atlantis. It was probably already in the Pegasus galaxy. Their shields, which had previously stood up to heavy fire from Wraith vessels without a ZPM, went down in seconds. They made a point of saying they were dead in the water and it's only because the Wraith chose not to continue firing that they survived.

How could the chair work at Area 51 with or without a ZPM? If they meant for the chair to work at Area 51 shouldn't they have had a person there who could operate it? And while the Daedalus could've been in it's way there, the other ships would still take weeks to get to the Pegasus galaxy but somehow they managed to get there and try to take on the hive ship while it was still in the Pegasus galaxy.

Who says those ships fought the hive in the Pegasus? Nothing on screen points to this. It seems like they fought it in the Milky Way. That is what makes sense with everything we saw.

The Chair can operate the drones from a great distance, they probably could have still controlled the drones from Area 51. Why didn't they have someone in the chair? Now that's a good question and more of a problem with the writting IMO.

I thought McKay said that the hive ship had to stop and regenerate while still in the Pegasus galaxy which was where the other two ships could try and stop the ship. I don't think meant for the chair to work anymore that's why it was taken from the outpost in the first place.

 

[DWF]

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How could the chair work at Area 51 with or without a ZPM? If they meant for the chair to work at Area 51 shouldn't they have had a person there who could operate it?

That's why they brought Sheppard back. He was intended to operate the chair. He was supposed to fight off the Darts, land, and then take control of the chair.

And while the Daedalus could've been in it's way there, the other ships would still take weeks to get to the Pegasus galaxy but somehow they managed to get there and try to take on the hive ship while it was still in the Pegasus galaxy.

They didn't fight the Hive in the Pegasus galaxy.

If O'Neill was still on earth they didn't need Shep to operate the chair, unless O'Neill was on that classfied mission that even Caldwell didn't know about. I could be wrong but I think that Rodney said the ship had to stop and regeerate while still in the Pegasus galaxy.

 

[archeryguy1701]

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All of the BC-304s have the Asgardian beam weapony and I'm sure all of the ones in the Pegasus galaxy had a ZPM.

No, they recovered three ZPMs once they'd gotten rid of the Replicators in "The Return, Part Two". Prior to that, the last ZPM they had was fully drained in "McKay and Mrs. Miller".

One went to the Odyssey, one went to power the Ancient outpost and Atlantis kept one. Earth's other ships - the Daedalus, Apollo, Sun Tzu and the General Hammond - do not have ZPMs.

They drained the Atlantis one in "Adrift" but managed to steal one from the Replicators to replace it.

There's no way the Daedalus could've or the others for that matter could've reached the Pegasus galaxy in the time needed for them to fight the hive ship without a ZPM and there's no proof that the outpost still has one without the chair being there, I don't see they could work the defences from Area 51. And since the General Hammond was still close to earth no I can't see it having a ZPM. Besides I can't see the Daedalus surviving that battle against the hive ship without a ZPM though.

There's no reason the other battle cruisers couldn't have already been in Pegasus though. Bear in mind that the Milky Way no longer has a big baddie that would require all of the BC's to stick around. Atlantis, on the other hand, was still duking it out with the Wraith and Michael (maybe... I haven't seen most of the season). It seems reasonable that Earth sent 3 cruisers to Pegasus to provide general support. Besides, with a ZPM, it would take the BC's 3 days to reach Pegasus. So, odds are that they wouldn't make it with a ZPM either.

 

[MeanJoePhaser]

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Gate room chick...what a disconnect that was. Wait, who the fuck is that? Must be somebody....


Golden Gate bridge...STAR TREK IV REFERENCE. Bad idea to reference a better franchise.

No real big bad show down, cuz they lost their big bads, except Todd who is more ally than antagonist most of the time.

Early the in the series the idea of wraith reaching Earth seemed ominous. By the end of the show, it was like magic fixes, dumb luck, etc..., all of which works because the Wraith, while advanced, are mostly idiots.

They didn't kill of Caldwell, the other ship captain, or Lorne. Or anyone, except some unnamed pilots.

The series was a overall very spotty, made so partly by cast changes. It did deserve a better finale.

 

[archeryguy1701]

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Who says those ships fought the hive in the Pegasus? Nothing on screen points to this. It seems like they fought it in the Milky Way. That is what makes sense with everything we saw.

I don't remember any specific dialogue stating that it happened in Pegasus, but recall that Sheppard was shocked that the hive had arrived and that he thought that he still had a couple weeks left to prepare. If I'm remembering correctly, I'm pretty sure the off-screen battle with the Hive took place before Sheppard left for Earth.

 

[USS Kongo]

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Thank you, Stargate powers that be, for the mention of the late, great General Hammond in this episode. That was very classy.

It was great seeing Carter again, even if she did nothing more than stand around and look worried. But then, it's probably just as well, since this was the final episode of Atlantis, and the regular crew should be the ones doing all the running around. Still, it was nice to see Carter, Walter, the forever unpromoted Major Davis and Stargate Command once more.

It looked as if they tried to get everybody they had to at least make a cameo in this one, which was also cool.

It was hysterically funny--in an unintentional way--how Ronon was abruptly brought back after getting such a great death scene. People aren't safe from the Wraith even if they're dead! Damn! Also, we can't kill off Ronon; we need him for the movie! Maybe, in the movie, they'll have Ronon team up with that cute little kickboxer.

I liked seeing Atlantis parked in the water before the Golden Gate Bridge. Nice touch.

Not a great episode, overall--it was very predictable--but it was still vastly entertaining.

Au revoir, Atlantis! Thanks for all the cheese.

Sean

 

[Brent]

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Who says those ships fought the hive in the Pegasus? Nothing on screen points to this. It seems like they fought it in the Milky Way. That is what makes sense with everything we saw.

I don't remember any specific dialogue stating that it happened in Pegasus, but recall that Sheppard was shocked that the hive had arrived and that he thought that he still had a couple weeks left to prepare. If I'm remembering correctly, I'm pretty sure the off-screen battle with the Hive took place before Sheppard left for Earth.

We don't know how much time elapsed between the Deddy getting fixed and getting Shep back to Atlantis though. Caldwell said it could take days or weeks to get it fixed. So it could have been several days, or even up to a week before Shep got back to Atlantis. Giving the new hive ship plenty of time to get to the Milky Way.

 

[archeryguy1701]

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Still, even if it took the Dadeleus a long time to repair, if the battle took place in the Milky Way, then there is no way Sheppard would assume he had a couple more weeks of prep. At most, he would have a week, but even that's highly unlikely.

 

[JiNX-01]

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In honor of awards season, I'd like to officially announce that "Enemy At The Gate" officially beats Voy's "Endgame" for the category of "Series Finale That Conjured Up A Relationship From Out Of Nowhere."

Move over, Chakotay and Seven! Ronon and the Gateroom chick just took your spot!

She's Kick Boxing Chick from "The Prodigal." Ronon was totally turned on when he realized she could crack walnuts with those thighs.

 

[David cgc]

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Golden Gate bridge...STAR TREK IV REFERENCE. Bad idea to reference a better franchise.

You're kidding, right? That has to be a joke.

 

[Gatekeeper]

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The loss of Area 51 not only destroyed the Ancient chair, I bet it also took a lot of Ancient/Goa'uld/alien technology with it, the stuff the Stargate teams have collected over the years during their travels.

That could be a severe blow for Earth, IMO. After all, wasn't acquiring and learning to use alien technology a key part of the Stargate program?

Then again, with the entire Asgard database at their disposal, maybe Area 51 isn't such a horrible loss after all.

Gatekeeper

 

[Hartzilla2007]

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The loss of Area 51 not only destroyed the Ancient chair, I bet it also took a lot of Ancient/Goa'uld/alien technology with it, the stuff the Stargate teams have collected over the years during their travels.

That could be a severe blow for Earth, IMO. After all, wasn't acquiring and learning to use alien technology a key part of the Stargate program?

Then again, with the entire Asgard database at their disposal, maybe Area 51 isn't such a horrible loss after all.

Gatekeeper

Plus Atlantis is currently ON Earth.

 

[firehawk12]

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Rather than repeat what I said in the thread I started before the holidays... I'll just say that at this point, they've pretty much shown that they don't want to tell any interesting stories.

"Oh, it's just another meteor shower!!!!!"
"That explosion, it was a sun flare!!!!!"

Really? The biggest conspiracy in the world involving dozens of nations - including a barber and his ex-wife who has nothing to do with the SG program in any way - and none of this ever gets out?

There were many advantages to setting the show in the "real world" back in the 90s when the show was still about small teams going off world... but at this point, it really has become a joke. Almost like flying around the sun/time travel in Star Trek.

 

[Adm. Bonz]

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In honor of awards season, I'd like to officially announce that "Enemy At The Gate" officially beats Voy's "Endgame" for the category of "Series Finale That Conjured Up A Relationship From Out Of Nowhere."

Move over, Chakotay and Seven! Ronon and the Gateroom chick just took your spot!

She's Kick Boxing Chick from "The Prodigal." Ronon was totally turned on when he realized she could crack walnuts with those thighs.

I was gonna post the same. He's been sweet on her for a while now.

I liked the ep. Wished it was longer. But I liked what I saw.