Refit Impulse Pattern

[SphinxR]

I've seen several discussions about the pattern for the impulse grill on the Refit and thought I would try to bring my contribution. I've looked at all
of the movies through the various incarnations and have taken a great many screen captures and I've found that there is indeed a pattern. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the screens pretty much seem to show to me that there is a pattern.

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I think I speak with authority when I say... "I see a pattern forming."

UR thoughts?

 

[Gepard]

...what pattern would that be? The number of lines?

 

[Turbo]

What exactly do you mean by "a pattern"? The close-ups show us that there's obviously a grille on each engine, and they look like they're intended to be mirror images of each other. But I don't see some sort of pattern other than the grille itself.

 

[SphinxR]

Not just the number of lines, but the fact that there is a trapazoidal pattern inside of the lines despite whether the impulse engine is on,
or off.

It seems obvious that there is a pattern to me, it's not just light
effects.

 

[Turbo]

Do you mean the black border between the hull and the grille, or something inside the lines of the grille itself? I'm not seeing the latter at all.

 

[Gepard]

^That trapezoid looks to be the orange light source in its off state. It's a ghostly gray shape behind the dark lines.

 

[SphinxR]

Do you mean the black border between the hull and the grille, or something inside the lines of the grille itself? I'm not seeing the latter at all.

I'm saying that the lines themselves are thickened in the shape of the impulse grill proper instead of straight lines and light effects.

If it were only light effects inside, or coming from the grill, it would not show up when the ship is in drydock.

There is a definate pattern to the grill itself, it is not just lines going across.

 

[SphinxR]

^That trapezoid looks to be the orange light source in its off state. It's a ghostly gray shape behind the dark lines.

Why would a pattern appear if the engine is in an "off state?"

 

[SphinxR]

No matter whether the engine is on, or off there is an obvious pattern to the lines. I've looked at hundreds of screen captures and it's always the same.

 

[Turbo]

Well, it would obviously be the same in every screencap, unless they had to replace the glass on the engines for some reason. The lines are probably just painted onto the glass.

 

[SphinxR]

Well, it would obviously be the same in every screencap, unless they had to replace the glass on the engines for some reason. The lines are probably just painted onto the glass.

It is the same on every cap, that leads me to believe that there is a definate pattern to the grill, instead of some type of light effects. It's not just when the impulse engine is dark, or light, it's in every cap. You can look through hundreds of caps and still see the same pattern, as long as they are legible, I can see no reason why they would "Just paint them onto glass" if they are not meant to be there. Why would the pattern be there when the engines are dark as opposed to a light effect? They must be part of the engine grill.

 

[ThomasModels]

The studio model was built using a photo-etched metal detail plate in each engine thruster. Each thruster was a mirror of the other. Images of the unattached PE metal thruster was referenced while creating product for model and toy companies. For the definative pattern, take a look at the decal in the large Polar Lights model kit or the photo-etch metal parts designed for the plastic kit.

Good luck on your quest Joe and hopefully your question will be answered.

 

[Gepard]

^That trapezoid looks to be the orange light source in its off state. It's a ghostly gray shape behind the dark lines.

Why would a pattern appear if the engine is in an "off state?"

Because the engine is semi-transparent, so we can see through to whatever's providing the orange glow, maybe?

But I see what you mean in the first screencap; it looks like the black lines have been lightened to gray over the areas where the orange light effect comes from. All the other, small, blurry one's don't seem of much use, though.

EDIT: After seeing the above, check out the photo etch here. That's a trapezoid.

 

[SphinxR]

The studio model was built using a photo-etched metal detail plate in each engine thruster. Each thruster was a mirror of the other. Images of the unattached PE metal thruster was referenced while creating product for model and toy companies. For the definative pattern, take a look at the decal in the large Polar Lights model kit or the photo-etch metal parts designed for the plastic kit.

Good luck on your quest Joe and hopefully your question will be answered.

I answered the question for myself a long time ago. I was just trying to get some confirmation on the issue from the fans. Thank you for your wishes of good luck Thomas, I sincerely appreciate it. As you can see, I do my own research and do not rely on other people to do it for me. I'm so happy that after all of these years we can get along. I'm always amazed that you show up in every thread I post, no matter what the psuedonym.

 

[SphinxR]

^That trapezoid looks to be the orange light source in its off state. It's a ghostly gray shape behind the dark lines.

Why would a pattern appear if the engine is in an "off state?"

Because the engine is semi-transparent, so we can see through to whatever's providing the orange glow, maybe?

But I see what you mean in the first screencap; it looks like the black lines have been lightened to gray over the areas where the orange light effect comes from. All the other, small, blurry one's don't seem of much use, though.

EDIT: After seeing the above, . That's a trapezoid.

I do like to do my own work and not rely on what has went before me. I do my own thing. Thanks though.

 

[SphinxR]

I was just looking for a way to send you a PM Thomas, but it seems they have changed the software...?

 

[SphinxR]

The studio model was built using a photo-etched metal detail plate in each engine thruster. Each thruster was a mirror of the other. Images of the unattached PE metal thruster was referenced while creating product for model and toy companies. For the definative pattern, take a look at the decal in the large Polar Lights model kit or the photo-etch metal parts designed for the plastic kit.

Good luck on your quest Joe and hopefully your question will be answered.

Just sent you an e-mail pal.

Take care and keep on Trekkin!

 

[SphinxR]

The studio model was built using a photo-etched metal detail plate in each engine thruster. Each thruster was a mirror of the other. Images of the unattached PE metal thruster was referenced while creating product for model and toy companies. For the definative pattern, take a look at the decal in the large Polar Lights model kit or the photo-etch metal parts designed for the plastic kit.

Good luck on your quest Joe and hopefully your question will be answered.

Just sent you an e-mail pal.

Take care and keep on Trekkin!

Here's another thread where you quote me and bust me out. Is there no chance of getting a freash start around you? Didn't you ask for a freash start awhile back? Com'on, we all deserve a freash start don't we? Griffy has got more than one, don't we all deserve the same opportunity?

Quote: Thomas

Re: Public Resource Enterprise.

Hey Joe, what do ya know?

More correctly, what do you want to know?

Here's something I have yet to see anyone correctly depict in their blueprints or cartoons:...

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[SphinxR]

Sorry, wont beat the point home any further, just wanted to make sure I wasn't in the wrong for expressing my oppinion. I still think that the pattern is built into the impulse engine and have no idea how some can think that it is light effects.

 

[Tiberius Jim]

I'm all for discussing the intricacies of starship design but wow...I think this is the most trivial detail I've ever seen anybody get so heated about.