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If you were the creator of ENT, what would you have done differently?

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Re: If you were the creator of ENT, what would you have done different

* Temporal Cold War only if it included (in the episodes) Romulans that lead to the war; I would've enjoyed that. Probably best to ditch the Suliban in favor of another species that was connected to TOS like the little people in Journey to Babel
* Given Phlox more to do, he was an interesting character
* Made T'Pol more Spock-like throughout and used less for T&A
* More scenes with Trip and Reed together rather than them separate
* Hired a continuity editor who was a type A TOS fan to ensure canon
* Showed a flash back of just how mean the Vulcans were to Henry Archer to garner more sympathy for Capt. Archer
* Made Soval a secret Romulan; he could've switched sides later in the series
* Made the Romulans look like the Vulcans to add to the mystery and intrigue
* Hired great writers and asked the ones that couldn't pull their weight to leave, including using DC Fontana I think for a consultant
* Rewatch TOS
* Used the boards to collect good criticism about the shows, but keep to a vision like JMS with B5
* Make the scripts smart and sexy, rather than just sexy
* Used Vulcan more (like the Forge) -- it's a cool planet and one that deserves some exploration
* Given Shran more to do
Wow, there actually are things we can agree on! Good!

T'Pol and Trip would've gotten together and stayed that way. 'Nuff said!
You've changed your tune!
Some people tend to come around. Makes me keep my faith in mankind :)
 
Re: If you were the creator of ENT, what would you have done different

It was the writters not in my judgment what the ship looked like or could perform.

What had to go.

Xindi
that stupid cold war

The show was limping along to find itself and what did they do just to kill the show. They added the Xindi and their attack on earth with a single man that killed over six million people in Florida. What were the writters thinking, and right after 9/11. What was Archers idea, lets go and talk to them and maybe we can become friends. Not a good idea.

What happened to Enterprise, it got to close to the American politics of that time.

What Enterprise needed, was a hard line story that would answer the questions the fans wanted to understand. Not add more species, not add species at a level uncommon in TNG or DS9. Reason I did not like the new species, as they are so close to Earth and therefore would have been a bigger player in the other series. Gee, the reason the Vulcans have been such a big player as they are less then 20 light years from Earth.

With the female characters, was not impressed with T'Pol in the catsuit as it so much like 7 of 9. Hoshi, I am not sure but a little of Kes and Ezri. Wish they acted more equal.
 
Re: If you were the creator of ENT, what would you have done different

I would have ditched the "crew on a ship every week" format in favour of an anthology series which would chronicle various events in the Star Trek universe, starting with the rise of the Eugenic supermen, and ending with Pike taking over NCC 1701.
 
Re: If you were the creator of ENT, what would you have done different

A number of things. I wouldn't have cast Scott Bakula as Archer. I think he was just all wrong for the role. Tim Daly would've worked better for me!

The main problem with the show was the character of Archer. First off, as an homage to William Shatner, I would've made him Canadian, or of Canadian descent if I made my second change. Second, he would've been the Boomer character instead of Mayweather. Third, I would've made him even more reckless than Captain Kirk, to establish that his wild ways lead to the creation of the Prime Directive. Fourth, I'd have ditched that whole, "I'm mad at the Vulcans 'cause they wouldn't let my daddy play with his warp drive!" I always hated that.

I actually liked the Temporal Cold War, and I would've woven more of it into the fabric of the whole series. Future Guy would've been a descendant of a far future adversary of the Federation, and I would've kept that a secret. Future Guy is attempting to change history because in the distant future, the Federation ultimately defeats the group he's a part of. I like the aura of mystery around the Future Guy and would never have revealed who he was. Oh, duh, they did that!

No catsuit for T'Pol! Silly.

T'Pol and Trip would've gotten together and stayed that way. 'Nuff said!

Red Ranger


I think Bakula was a good choice and I enjoy him as Archer. However, if I could redo it, I'd have Adrian Pasdar (Nathan Petrelli) from Heroes as Archer. He's got similar features but he would have been a bit more edgier.
 
Re: If you were the creator of ENT, what would you have done different

I think Bakula was a good choice and I enjoy him as Archer. However, if I could redo it, I'd have Adrian Pasdar (Nathan Petrelli) from Heroes as Archer. He's got similar features but he would have been a bit more edgier.
Meh, Mandy Patinkin all the way.
 
Re: If you were the creator of ENT, what would you have done different

I think Bakula was a good choice and I enjoy him as Archer. However, if I could redo it, I'd have Adrian Pasdar (Nathan Petrelli) from Heroes as Archer. He's got similar features but he would have been a bit more edgier.
Meh, Mandy Patinkin all the way.

But he'd have quit after the second or third season! It's a pattern with him.

:rommie:
 
Re: If you were the creator of ENT, what would you have done different

I think Bakula was a good choice and I enjoy him as Archer. However, if I could redo it, I'd have Adrian Pasdar (Nathan Petrelli) from Heroes as Archer. He's got similar features but he would have been a bit more edgier.
Meh, Mandy Patinkin all the way.

I love Mandy, but I don't think he's quite right. Besides, if he did ENT, he wouldn't have done Dead Like Me, and that would be a crying shame.

See, we agree on a few things. Scared yet?
 
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^ Petrified. I liked "Dead like me," but it's hardly one of the shows I can't live without. Patinkin was superb in "Criminal Minds" (while he was still doing it, of course), and I think Jason Gideon's eccentricity would be a welcome change (because, let's face it, of all the captains, Archer had the least charisma, not counting miss "fu** the prime directive" Janeway, of course).
 
Re: If you were the creator of ENT, what would you have done different

As already mentioned by almost everyone...

#1) NO TEMPORAL COLD WAR

#2) No episode with BORG.

Everything else was basically fine with me.

In retrospect, I liked how the first two seasons of Enterprise, were very basic stories and space adventures. That's how it should be. Nothing too epic to start things. Sure, some stories could've been more interesting. But there were gems in those seasons.

The Xindi arc was a good concept. It works, and I would've like it better with more respect for Star Trek continuity. It needed slightly different motives. But it had compelling episodes.

Season 4 was the direction most of the series needed to go. More of the building towards the Federation, and focus on early species seen in the original series.



Also, if anyone had a chance to re-watch episodes on HD-Net... this show was made for HDTv. At the time of Enterprise, I'd say there were fewer households with HD. The effects of this show are really really great, and I think the show would have benefited had it aired once HD was more mainstream and affordable. It was amazing the difference.
 
Re: If you were the creator of ENT, what would you have done different

Mach 5, I'm assuming you're a dude. This may be a good topic for a whole new thread: why do dudes think Trip has charisma?

Archer had the least charisma
We *were not* watching the same show. I think plenty of characters had less, like Hoshi, Travis and Reed. I thought Trip had less, but ... I know we'll disagree there.
 
Re: If you were the creator of ENT, what would you have done different

I think the most charismatic one was Phlox, then Archer, then Trip. Trip was definitely charismatic, Commie, but in the way of the class clown. Archer was more the silent, brooding type. I guess guys like Trip more than Archer because they can perhaps relate to him better? Archer seems to me to be the slightly standoffish, slightly misunderstood leader type.

what's amazing to me is that he was Bakula's total opposite. so that was some good acting on the man's part ;)
 
Re: If you were the creator of ENT, what would you have done different

Mach5 said that "of all the captains, Archer had the least charisma."
 
Re: If you were the creator of ENT, what would you have done different

Mach 5, I'm assuming you're a dude. This may be a good topic for a whole new thread: why do dudes think Trip has charisma?
Yes, character charisma is a good topic for a whole new thread. Not here.
 
Re: If you were the creator of ENT, what would you have done different

Star Trek: Foundations

This is how I have done ENT differently (or rather the bits of information that have been revealed so far).

Andorians: These are the most technologically advanced of all the species in the region. They have strong energy-based weaponry, the ability to project energy shielding around their ships, and very reliable tractor beams. They also are known to possess transporter technology (and are the only ones known to possess that technology). They have a caste-based communist system of government, and are currently embroiled in a state of civil war. They are very distrustful of outsiders, thanks largely in part to the fact the first aliens they encountered were Tellarites, who have become their bitter enemies.

Vulcans: They are Earth's most powerful allies, though there has been tension in the last half-century. They tend to look down on emotional species, which includes humans. At one point they openly helped Earth develop its warp technology, but the new government under PM T'Pau reversed that decision and even went as far as deleting information from UE computers. Relations have been somewhat frosty ever since, which isn't helped by their more recent declaration they would no longer come to Earth's aid during a time of war as they did during the Kzinti War. Naturally it didn't go over well when Vulcan acted as a mediator in the recent Alpha Centauri conflict. They are nearly as advanced as the Andorians, though their shielding and weapons are not as strong or as advanced.

Denobulans: The Denobulans are the most friendly ally Earth has, and there is currently a scientific exchange program between Denobula and United Earth's Science Institute. However, while they have been forced to fight their own conflicts in the past, they are not a belligerent people, and their current military strength reflects that, which is to say it is very small and tends to be more militia-based. They are also known to have long life spans and to marry in large polygamous groups, and only have to sleep for a small portion of the year in a type of hibernation, rather than sleeping every night.

Kzinti: A felinoid and aggressive species, they captured a UESPA crew and forced them to reveal the location of Earth, then made war on Earth in the hopes of expanding their empire. After a decade-long war, they were driven back into their own space, and agreed to an armistice which is now enforced by the Vulcan Alliance. They only have a slight edge on technology over Earth.

Nasicaans: A humanoid species which possesses no form of government, at least not any more, but thanks to the powerful weaponry their ships are usually equipped with, they can make a very big nuisance of themselves, especially when they work in groups. the last major conflict Earth had was with them thanks to attacks on Earth's outlying colonies and trade routes.

Orions: Green and mean, not much is known about them, other than that they are generally misogynistic and view all other species as being no better than livestock, and treat them as such, either as slave labor or as food. They seem to make their ships by cobbling together what they can from ships they have stolen.

Tellarites: The Boomers have known about them for a while and even traded with them, but Earth never really knew about them until Alpha Centauri hired a strong Tellarite military force to help them in their cause of independence. They are generally unpleasant, like to argue, but will react very violently to any personal insult. Their ships do have some substantial energy-based weaponry, not much less powerful than what the Vulcans have, but they cannot project energy shields around their ships and must rely on heavy armor to protect them. Their culture is very strongly capitalistic, and their military is more than willing to act as guns for hire. However, they often tend to drive a very hard bargain.

Alpha Centauri: Listed separately because of their recent break from Earth. Originally and agricultural colony founded by private interest, the AC system as grown quite large and has a substantial industrial capacity. When UE's government federalized all Earth colonies, AC resisted, and Earth reacted by essentially turning AC into a subject state, similar to the relationship Britain had with the American colonies. At the beginning of the series the troublesome colony again rebelled and declared its independence from Earth. While the Tellarite plan backed by the colony's governor failed, the Vulcan mediation pushed for by Titus Cheet succeeded and AC is currently independent of Earth, though Earth really isn't happy about that.

United Earth: Under the last couple of administrations,UE has become a much stronger federal government, and while there aren't many problems on Earth, there tends to be some friction between UE's government and the colonial government. There is no Starfleet. UESPA is a small organization that started out as more of a mix of NASA and NOAA Corps, but has more recently taken on some Coast Guard characteristics out of need. There has also been more joint work going on with the United Earth Military, which is charged with the defense of Earth, and has a massive space navy to carry out that defense. There tends to be a lot of friction between the UEM because the UEM would like to make sure nothing like the incident that touched off the Kzinti War happens again, and UESPA would like them to sod off. Earth's ships are limited in speed, use plasma weapons, laser cannons, missiles with different payload options, and the UEM warships also have railguns. They cannot project shields or tractor beams, though they can use the structural integrity field they have developed to harden hull armor and make their electromagnetic grapples very strong.

UES Enterprise, EX-01: Represents the pinnacle of Earth's technology thanks to her warp 5 engine. She is also the most heavily armed UESPA ship in existence, thanks to the joint cooperation with the UEM that also has a compliment of 40 UEM Security Forces soldiers on board to act as security for the ship and to operate the ship's weaponry. Thanks to politics, she has also become the first example of the Earth/Vulcan officer exchange program that has worked the other way around.


Characters

Captain Jonathan Archer: Commanding officer of Enterprise and son of famous warp development engineer Dr. Henry Archer. While technically qualified to command the ship, he lacks command experience on a starship, and many object to his being placed in command of Earth's newest and most technologically advanced starship. There have been charges of favoritism on the part of Admiral Forrest, who is the highest ranking officer in UESPA, but Forrest refuses to budge and fully supports Archer as captain of Enterprise.

Sub-Commander T'Pol: Recently reactivated Vulcan science officer who now serves as Enterprise's first officer and science officer, thanks to some hardball politics by Ambassador Soval. She once served as Soval's aid, but was reactivated by him to serve in her current position. Not much is known about her past, other than that she previously served with the Vulcan fleet as a science officer, seems to have a somewhat close relationship with both Ambassador's Soval and Skon, and seems to have lost someone important to her as well as having a bad relationship with her mother, and also having lost her father. She tends to be aloof and has a strained relationship with the rest of Enterprise's crew, especially with Captain Archer, though recently she has developed a kind of friendship with Commander Tucker.

Commander Charles Tucker III: Chief engineer of Enterprise and a major contributer to the warp 5 project. he's very friendly though he tends to be very private about anything doing with himself. He has revealed that he has a strained relationship with his family, with the exception of his younger sister Elizabeth. Initially he was angry to have been bumped from his position as first officer, but more recently he has formed a kind of friendship with T'Pol, as well as having befriended Major Reed.

Major Malcolm Reed: Commandant of the UEM Security Forces on board Enterprise. he tends to be aloof himself, and generally doesn't like the majority of the UESPA personnel, though more recently he's befriended Commander Tucker. he's a very by-the-book military man, and resents Captain Archer's repeated demands that he and his people maintain a "low profile".

Dr. Phlox: A Denobulan, he has proven very valuable as chief medical officer for his medical knowledge of other species, despite his unconventional methods. He is very friendly, if somewhat eccentric.

Dr. Jeremy Lucas: An experienced doctor in his own right, he participated in the Earth/Denobulan medical exchange and was actually a pen pal with Dr. Phlox while they were each on the other's home planet. However, his friendship with Dr. Phlox ended because of the resentment he has for being passed over as CMO of Enterprise, instead being relegated to being Dr. Phlox's assistant.

Ensign Hoshi Sato: She's a skilled linguist and very intelligent - "gifted" is the term they would use. She is currently serving as Enterprise's communications officer. Shy and somewhat meek outside of her area, she is a space greenhorn, and is both fascinated and afraid of being where she is. More recently she has begun to tutor Ensign Mayweather in his distance degree program so he can qualify officially as an officer.

Ensign Travis Mayweather: A Boomer, he was born in space and has lived most of his life there too, though leaving the life for Starfleet has made him an outcast among his people, and even from his own family. He actually enlisted because he didn't have a 4-year college degree as required by UESPA, he ended up becoming an ensign and Enterprise's helmsman thanks to Captain Archer's influence, who witnessed some very impressive flying by him during an emergency in Earth orbit. He remains an officer under the promise that he complete a distance degree program, but he also remains only an ensign until he can do that. Not really an academic, he is thankful for the help Hoshi has been giving him with his school work. He and Archer get along perfectly, and like Archer he really doesn't care for Major Reed or the other SFs.

There are plenty of other characters I'd love to go into, but it's getting late and I'm out of time. I hope some of you check out my series though if you're interested in seeing what I've done. :)
 
Re: If you were the creator of ENT, what would you have done different

hoshi wouldnt need to go to academy if she already hade advance degrees. why is a entomogoist or whatever as a nco that sounds stupid thats 8 years programmininum.
 
Re: If you were the creator of ENT, what would you have done different

I would have had United Earth's space program just coming together. No one has been to Starfleet Academy, because there is no Starfleet Academy. UESPA/Starfleet itself has just be offices and hot air until the NX-01 takes its maiden flight. The crew are members of various Earth forces coming together for the first time as a Starfleet crew. The development of Starfleet would be an on-going theme, leading to the Prime Directive, and other rules.

Mayweather is a boomer, a young man with more experience in space than the officers. I would have him not even be a part of Starfleet, but a guy hitching a ride back out to his family's freighter, giving advice, but dubious about the whole United Earth Space operation. Maybe a bit of a Han Solo type. He always plans to get off the ship, but somehow never does.

I would have liked a multi-ship show - a Vulcan ship, or ships, keeps tabs on the Earthlings. Shran and the Andorians start butting in, too. The example of various Earth peoples learning to work together transfers to the universal concept of the various space faring races, who have been in conflict regularly, coming together. The development of the Federation would be another theme, played out in the context of the Earth-Romulan War.

No Temporal Cold War, no Xindi, a ship design more in line with pre-TOS and respect for canon!
 
Re: If you were the creator of ENT, what would you have done different

I'd totally remaster ENT, having the NX-01 less like a generic 24th century starship, maybe something more akin to the Daedalus vessels. Move the action along a decade, so it comes after the end of the Romulan War.

In complete agreement with the posters who say no Suliban, Xindi or Temporal Cold War garbage. I can cope with the Borg though, funnily enough.

If it were up to me, I'd like to just treat the series like TAS is treated by many people, only "semi-canon" at best. If I had to keep any episodes, they would probably be the Augments arc, "Affliction/Divergence", and "In A Mirror, Darkly", as they were the only stories I really enjoyed....and even then I'd have to make a lot of revisions to them. Similar to how J.J. Abrams has re-imagined TOS.
 
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