If you were the creator of ENT, what would you have done differently?

[Herkimer Jitty]

Re: If you were the creator of ENT, what would you have done different

I agree. I think the captain should be "larger than life," which is why I always thought the Super!Archer criticism around here was silly. Captains are super. They perform tasks that are godlike ... especially Sisko who became rather like a god in the end.

Superman's larger than life. Doesn't make him any less of a dick though. Archer was one of the big stumbling blocks for me, watching ENT. ANIS sealed the deal in terms of jerkassery.

I don't blame Bakula though, but the writers didn't seem to know what to do with him, so he ended up seeming a bit unstable.

 

[Captain X]

Re: If you were the creator of ENT, what would you have done different

Archer was simply too "super" to be believable. Not only was he practically a Gary Stu, but he never was shown to have done anything to earn the trust and respect of anyone around him, and in fact he acted in ways on several occasions that should have guaranteed that no one respected him or trusted him.

 

[Mach5]

Re: If you were the creator of ENT, what would you have done different

I agree. I think the captain should be "larger than life," which is why I always thought the Super!Archer criticism around here was silly. Captains are super. They perform tasks that are godlike ... especially Sisko who became rather like a god in the end.

Superman's larger than life. Doesn't make him any less of a dick though. Archer was one of the big stumbling blocks for me, watching ENT. ANIS sealed the deal in terms of jerkassery.

I don't blame Bakula though, but the writers didn't seem to know what to do with him, so he ended up seeming a bit unstable.

I still believe Bakula was a good choice for Archer, but Daniels saying to him stuff like: "Dude, you're so sweet" was ridiculous (but then again, Daniels was a ridiculous character).
Let's face it, Archer never lived up to his potential and the general audience simply never warmed up to him (most of my non-fan friends like star trek, but literally couldn't stand the guy).
Still, IMO he's way better than Janeway, though this thread suggests otherwise...

 

[Praetor]

Re: If you were the creator of ENT, what would you have done different

Archer was simply too "super" to be believable. Not only was he practically a Gary Stu, but he never was shown to have done anything to earn the trust and respect of anyone around him, and in fact he acted in ways on several occasions that should have guaranteed that no one respected him or trusted him.

Exactly. We should have been shown why his crew and we the viewers should admire him. We weren't.

And being better than Janeway is debateable. I would argue that even though she was inconsistently written, she was still written better on average than Archer. Indeed, I would extend that to both of their respective series as well.

 

[Nerroth]

Re: If you were the creator of ENT, what would you have done different

I actually think that a two- or three- part arc giving a re-take on Regeneration could be an interesting concept, not least if they try to weave in a few threads which may have been going on off-screen, but would have been nice to see on the show:

*A group, perhaps even set up by Lily Sloane herself back in 2063, which would know that the Borg are coming, but would need to keep that knowledge secret lest the timeline get smudged,

*A reason - possibly even the same group above - for the events of Regeneration (the assimilation of the Arctic team, the signal to the Delta Quadrant etc) were put under lock and key.


If anything, the sheer terror and mystery of these aliens, coupled with the intrigue of a group who seem to know more about them than the Enterprise crew who are faced with their impact, and the ultimate need to make sure nothing about the event becomes public...

...maybe it should have been the true 'temporal' secret war.

 

[Praetor]

Re: If you were the creator of ENT, what would you have done different

I actually think that a two- or three- part arc giving a re-take on Regeneration could be an interesting concept, not least if they try to weave in a few threads which may have been going on off-screen, but would have been nice to see on the show:

*A group, perhaps even set up by Lily Sloane herself back in 2063, which would know that the Borg are coming, but would need to keep that knowledge secret lest the timeline get smudged,

*A reason - possibly even the same group above - for the events of Regeneration (the assimilation of the Arctic team, the signal to the Delta Quadrant etc) were put under lock and key.


If anything, the sheer terror and mystery of these aliens, coupled with the intrigue of a group who seem to know more about them than the Enterprise crew who are faced with their impact, and the ultimate need to make sure nothing about the event becomes public...

...maybe it should have been the true 'temporal' secret war.

You know, that's not a bad idea. In that regard, I could see a 'temporal' secret kinda working.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: If you were the creator of ENT, what would you have done different

Considering Archer didn't remember reading a biography the size of a phone book on Surak back in season one's 2 nights and 2 days, why should he recall a jot about the bugger subleasing an unsued area of Archers soul for a vacation shanty?

You know, this bugged me. I call this: lack of continuity.

I loved it when they referred to Picard as the arbitor of succession in subsequent episodes, and The Sisko despite being a very modest religious icon was seen to use the role when necessary.

I agree. I think the captain should be "larger than life," which is why I always thought the Super!Archer criticism around here was silly. Captains are super. They perform tasks that are godlike ... especially Sisko who became rather like a god in the end.

When referencing Archer, I usually do call him the greatest explorer of the 22nd century.

That's some credible meatiness to supplement half the legend we saw begin to germinate.

But really, we only saw two other people out there exploring for explorings sake, the first Archer's engineer shat on their social hierarchy and impelled some cute little boygirl from Arcadia to top hersel... The other? Archer shot at them until he could steal their engine.

Maybe it's a coincidence, but archer seems to have it in for "other" explorers, that no one else was left breathing after he'd pissed on the corners of what he judged human space to be considered the better explorer or even, a runner up.

 

[Nowhere Man]

Re: If you were the creator of ENT, what would you have done different

1.Hired manny Cotta from the beggining
2.Got rid of the blue on the nacels and made the Enterprse more TOS than TNG
3.Changing the namee of the ship woud do too also call it Star Trek:" " from the beggining.
4. have it start off alittle later, like 2055, so that it would eventually lead up to war with Romulans and the formation of the Fed.
5. T'pol would be T'Pau and would be a science advisor, but Trip would be second in command
6.Scott Bakula would tay, but be more like Kirk
7.Xindi could stay, but no TCW and have Romulans be involved as the villians more.
8.Have more Starfleet ships
9.Have a closer connection to Earth as far as showing it more often.
10.More Shuttles, have transporters be a developing tech.1
11.Have the tricorders,comunicators and phasers be bulkier. Make tech. be rustic and old looking.Like Earth basicly had to start over since WWIII.
12.Have Eugenecs and Arik Soong come into play a lot sooner and Klingons barely there with a TOS look and a mixture of forehead ridges and no forehead ridges(I did like the explanation)
14.Someone sugested beore, Give Phlox more to do
15.More primitive weapons
16. Have Trip push the ship past warp 5 and eventually closer to warp 8
17.No space Nazi's, for god's sakes if you have to do just one time travel or alternate timeline take them somewhere else, the old west or colonial america, the 60's anything really, no more Nazi's.
18, more actual scientificly weird stuff , but realistic, more things we haven't seen before(Science wise)
19.have story arcs,but also stand alone spisodes, but alway's end with the audiance wanting more, like Smallville does at the end of each ep.
20.different time slot that didn't compete with Smallville at the time

 

[Praetor]

Re: If you were the creator of ENT, what would you have done different

Good suggestions! I particularly like the idea of having seemingly 'bulky' and perhaps more TOS style tech as explained by Earth more or less starting over after WWIII.

IIRC the only reason they didn't use T'Pau was because they would have had to pay the writer (or the estate thereof) who wrote 'Amok Time' every time she appeared.

 

[Aquehonga]

Re: If you were the creator of ENT, what would you have done different

What I'd have done differently>

1. Set the show in the mid-22nd Century, pre-UFP.

2. Hire Scott Bakula as the captain, who has a pet dog.

3. Feature a female Vulcan character, to be played by an Angelina Jolie “clone”, actress Jolene Blaylock.

3. Actor John Billingsley would be perfect casting choice for ship MD, a member of a previously unestablished alien species friends with Earth & Earthlings.

4. Hire actor Anthony Montgomery to play the ship's helmsman/navigator.

5. Tap unknown UK actor Dominic Keating to play the ship's police chief.

6. Southern actor Connor Trineer would be my pick as ship's captain of engineering.

7. Actress Linda Park would be my choice for the ship's translator/comm officer.

8. At some point Bakula's Quantum Leap co-star Dean Spockwell would guest-star, preferably as some alien military person to contrast Bakula's character somewhat.

9. Three story arcs to do would've been a time travel war, Earth vs a powerful alien empire reminiscent of the Mutants from the 1980's cartoon Thundercats, expand on the eugenics that brought about Khan, among other arcs.

10. Feature surviving Borg soldiers & workers, frozen in polar ice, as well as Ferengi & hopefully, time/budget permitting, Cardassians at some point.

11. Have Klingons. Maybe even in the pilot. The Klingons would be of the variety seen since ST:TMP back in 1979.

12. Featured Andorians. Would tap Jeffrey Combs to play an Andorian captain.

There you have it.

My 3 cents folks.

Now why couldn't B&B have done THAT^

 

[JiNX-01]

Re: If you were the creator of ENT, what would you have done different

What I'd have done differently>

1. Set the show in the mid-22nd Century, pre-UFP.

2. Hire Scott Bakula as the captain, who has a pet dog.

3. Feature a female Vulcan character, to be played by an Angelina Jolie “clone”, actress Jolene Blaylock.

3. Actor John Billingsley would be perfect casting choice for ship MD, a member of a previously unestablished alien species friends with Earth & Earthlings.

4. Hire actor Anthony Montgomery to play the ship's helmsman/navigator.

5. Tap unknown UK actor Dominic Keating to play the ship's police chief.

6. Southern actor Connor Trineer would be my pick as ship's captain of engineering.

7. Actress Linda Park would be my choice for the ship's translator/comm officer.

8. At some point Bakula's Quantum Leap co-star Dean Spockwell would guest-star, preferably as some alien military person to contrast Bakula's character somewhat.

9. Three story arcs to do would've been a time travel war, Earth vs a powerful alien empire reminiscent of the Mutants from the 1980's cartoon Thundercats, expand on the eugenics that brought about Khan, among other arcs.

10. Feature surviving Borg soldiers & workers, frozen in polar ice, as well as Ferengi & hopefully, time/budget permitting, Cardassians at some point.

11. Have Klingons. Maybe even in the pilot. The Klingons would be of the variety seen since ST:TMP back in 1979.

12. Featured Andorians. Would tap Jeffrey Combs to play an Andorian captain.

There you have it.

My 3 cents folks.

Now why couldn't B&B have done THAT^

Brannon, is that you?

 

[Nowhere Man]

Re: If you were the creator of ENT, what would you have done different

Good suggestions! I particularly like the idea of having seemingly 'bulky' and perhaps more TOS style tech as explained by Earth more or less starting over after WWIII. Thanks

IIRC the only reason they didn't use T'Pau was because they would have had to pay the writer (or the estate thereof) who wrote 'Amok Time' every time she appeared.

Didn't know that

 

[Skywalker]

Re: If you were the creator of ENT, what would you have done different

Good suggestions! I particularly like the idea of having seemingly 'bulky' and perhaps more TOS style tech as explained by Earth more or less starting over after WWIII. Thanks

IIRC the only reason they didn't use T'Pau was because they would have had to pay the writer (or the estate thereof) who wrote 'Amok Time' every time she appeared.

Didn't know that

It's the same reason why Tom Paris was Tom Paris, rather than Nick Locarno. Though apparently they made up some bullcrap "Locarno was irredeemable" reasoning.

 

[Praetor]

Re: If you were the creator of ENT, what would you have done different

Yeah, it really always comes down to the money.

 

[miraclefan]

Re: If you were the creator of ENT, what would you have done different

This will be fun,what would I have done differently? 1.I would have made the reason why Archer hated the Vulcans so much would not be JUST that they slowed earth's progress in warp development and thus preventing his father henry Archer from seeing his w.5 engine come to life,but his father had died in a warp field collapse accident trying to break the warp 2 barrier(as seen in First Flight)And John beliveing that if the Vulcans had just not interfeard with earth's warp progress his father would still be alive.2.I would have t'pol be half Romulan,but it wouldent be revealed till late in season 2 and I would have had the Romulans SOMEHOW involved with the xinde.3.I would try to explain section 31's relation to the Klingon's.my guess is that since section 31 is starfleets (unofficial)C.I.A.they my have conections with other shadow organazations amoung the other races..maybe even the tal'shear(I hope I spelled that right)PLUS section 31 would have two advanced(for there time)starships.Cloak & Dagger to keep an eye on distant planet's and if necessary Enterprise.Also S-31 would be able to do all this because they have ancient alien tech that has been collected from area 51.4 If NX stands for Prototype class I would have introduced the TX Class(Test Type)the ship would come near the end of season 4 and look alot like the Deadalus,and be capeable of warp SIX! and since the ship would be half the size of the NX Class these ships would be mass produced.5.I would have had by late season 5 4 more NX Class ships out in the field,NX-03 CHALLENGER,NX-04 BABEL,NX-05 AKIRA,(to help explain the physical similarity to the latter named AKIRA Class I figured the ship would be destroyed in a heroic Alamo type battle thus latter S.F.Engineers would be found of the design and think it appropriate for a gunship)NX-06 ENDEVOR.6.During the first and most of the second season the crew would be nervous useing Phase pistols due to over-heating and explodeing on them so they would be useing either those Pulse pistols they we're useing in Broken Bow or Guns!7.I would make space more alien and dangerous maybe kill off a couple of red strips.Overall I would preety much keep things as they where except maybe HIRE SOME COMPETENT WRITEERS!!!! FOR THE FIRST TWO VERY BORING YEARS!!!I have more ideas,but this will be it for now.

 

[Captain X]

Re: If you were the creator of ENT, what would you have done different

Could you try adding spaces after commas and breaking things up a bit please? That would make it slightly more readable for the rest of us.

 

[Aquehonga]

Re: If you were the creator of ENT, what would you have done different

Could you try adding spaces after commas and breaking things up a bit please? That would make it slightly more readable for the rest of us.

My thoughts exactly.

I used to post like that, ^, before I learned my betters.

“Oh the pain!”- is how Dr. Smith would react to that essentially post up above us, ^, yonder

 

[The Badger]

Re: If you were the creator of ENT, what would you have done different

Difficult to read, yes.
But some interesting ideas though.

 

[miraclefan]

Re: If you were the creator of ENT, what would you have done different

Could you try adding spaces after commas and breaking things up a bit please? That would make it slightly more readable for the rest of us.

My thoughts exactly.

I used to post like that, ^, before I learned my betters.

“Oh the pain!”- is how Dr. Smith would react to that essentially post up above us, ^, yonder

Ya sorry about that guys I will try better next time.

 

[SFRabid]

Re: If you were the creator of ENT, what would you have done different

I agree. I think the captain should be "larger than life," which is why I always thought the Super!Archer criticism around here was silly. Captains are super. They perform tasks that are godlike ... especially Sisko who became rather like a god in the end.

After thinking about it I have to agree. It seems most every captain of every series was a super captain.