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HEROES 3x13 "Dual" (Volume 3 Finale)

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But, blah. What's even more annoying is that instead of writing out time travel they're introducing new ways of doing it. Namely Daphne. And what's really weird about it is that it makes no sense how she was able to travel back to the future. Sure, she could run faster than the speed of light and travel back in time, but how'd she go forward? Running in reverse? Pretty lame all around.

Seriously.

I just saw the finale, and this really bugged me. I don't mind the bad science of even being able to go back in time by going superfast, but the lack of any explanation of how she then went forwards bugged me big time.

Is it like Superman flying round the Earth one way, then the other... :devil:


(President Worf cracked me up at the end; best part of the ep...)
 
The Daphne/Ando time travel Deusexmachina annoyed the crap out of me. Rest of it was okay, and the appearance by Dorn (which I had no knowledge of and wasn't expecting) was a pleasant surprise. Nice to see where they go with this.
 
I quite enjoyed the ep so I feel dirty inside. It certainly wasn't A* but I liked it more than some episodes this year.

I was totally bummed that Meridith bit the dust - hell there was more of an emotional response than when Elle died! I really enjoyed the use of her this year. Especially the episode with the scary puppet master guy. So I was also glad to see him make an appearance this week. He held his own against Sylar for a good half a minute! Clint bought it too but he was stupid. Not going to miss him.

Sylar was still bringing the awesome that he rediscovered last week.

Clare was being useful, smashing her head through bullet proof glass and all. Clare, Meredith, Noah and Angela were good to see working together. More than I can say for Petrelli vs. Petrelli. Where the hell did that come from? They killed of Pa Petrelli and insert Nathan into the exact same role and pretend nothing ever happened. It was very off. Peter getting his powers back was a) totally expected, and b) stupidly executed.

I feel like the only person in the world who likes Daphne, so I enjoyed the story with her Matt and super-cool Ando. Ando's powers are a bit sidekicky, I agree, but if he falls into the wrong hands it could be interesting. I'm cautiously optimistic - does the show deserve it? Probably not, but Volume 4 looks interesting to say the least. How can you go wrong with President Worf? 8)

Tracy ended up being completely useless, which is a shame because she started off well. She killed off Ando Royo, which was definately overdue, yet I can't shake the image of Ali Larter killing Marlo. She ends up with also-completely-useless Mohinder, which has me most concerned. Hopefully Volume 4 will open with them careering off a cliff.
 
Clare was being useful, smashing her head through bullet proof glass and all. Clare, Meredith, Noah and Angela were good to see working together.

Yeah, I liked this stuff.

More than I can say for Petrelli vs. Petrelli.

Why am I suddenly thinking of a Kramer vs Kramer remake? Nathan is Dustin Hoffman, Peter is Meryl Streep? I can believe that casting.

I feel like the only person in the world who likes Daphne

I like her too.

She ends up with also-completely-useless Mohinder, which has me most concerned. Hopefully Volume 4 will open with them careering off a cliff.

Sticking with the movie remake theme: Thelma & Louise.
 
I think Nathan has always been about gaining power and being in power.
Nathan already progressed beyond that in S1. Now he's regressing. Characters should always move forward in their arcs.

Here's how the same ends could have been achieved so much better: if Nathan had done nothing while the battle between Arthur and Angela escalated, not wanting to be disloyal to either parent. The tension ratchets up over several episodes and then something catastrophic happens.

Say Tracey isn't a scheming bitch but rather a decent person, and is killed because of the fight. Or another catastophe, but it has to be something that smacks Nathan in the face and makes him realize that having people with powers running around loose is simply going to keep generating catstrophes, because stupid humans cannot handle this much power, and it forces him to rat everyone out to Pres. Worf.

We've got to see the process whereby this basically decent guy, which is what he's been since S1, is forced to do something questionable, but is the best he can make of a bad situation. The process is where the drama becomes real, and this season we haven't been seeing many processes. We get events that occur, like Peter getting the hunger, but there's no process that he goes through, no resolution, and ultimately no point.

The supersoldiers plotline was unnecessary and went nowhere anyway. The guys didn't even have one battle! I was expecting something.

from season 1 onwards, has been that some of these guys are dangerous and they should be restricted somehow. First he tried to expose them, got shot, then he tried to fight them, got beat, then he tried to create a counter army, got nowhere, so now he's exposing them to the government.
The logic of that process was interrupted by the supersolider plotline, which doesn't fit the pattern, since he's giving people more powers rather than restricting them. If Nathan were following his own logic, he'd realize that the stupid humans he was giving artificial powers to would go off the reservation very quickly. That's why people having powers is bad - they can't be trusted, so why should his Marines be any different? Ironically, ratting them all out to the government is probably the smartest thing he's done so far.
 
Does anyone honestly believe that the government doesn't already know about people with powers? They have been around for decades and there are lots of them. Are you telling me none in a position of power hansn't gained an ability or known someone who has in all that time? Some CIA or Military agency has to have already been using them before now. They probably just didn't have the background knowledge that the Company had nor the ability to create people with powers but that had to have some knowledge of it.


Maybe out at Area-51...
 
Does anyone honestly believe that the government doesn't already know about people with powers?

The general public doesn't know but there seem to be any number of others in the know, mostly metahumans. Maybe President Worf has superpowers!
 
Does anyone honestly believe that the government doesn't already know about people with powers?
The general public doesn't know but there seem to be any number of others in the know, mostly metahumans. Maybe President Worf has superpowers!

Probably. It was actually the first thing I thought when the episode ended. "I wonder what power he has."

Honestly, I think every main character, besides Bennett, on the show now has superpowers. Can't they just leave a few characters "normal?"
 
It's difficult to comprehend the clusterfuck this show has become; it's unrecognizable to me as it was in season one. The seemingly positive poll results this show gets here are also astounding and disheartening. This is terrible television anyway you spin it.

I'm not sure I'm coming back for Volume 4, unless I start hearing good things almost immediately.
 
Every plot hole was wrapped up nicely. The "wtf, Ando has powers and wants the formula" guessing game has been mooted, and let's see which sci-fi actors we've netted on this show... we grabbed Sulu, Sheridan, and last but not least - Worf! No use complaining about losing Heroes actors to Trek, we've gotten several of theirs...
 
^The last thing about this show I'm going to criticise is their use of Star Trek actors, it's great! :)
 
Why would he? It was a future version of Peter that did it
Because it's Peter. Future Peter is Nathan's brother just as much as present Peter. Peter and Nathan--at least as presented until this volume--were willing to die for one another. Peter shooting him should have caused severe psychological problems and trust issues for Nathan. With Ando and Hiro, Hiro wasn't sure what he saw in the future. Nathan's pretty sure that Peter shot him. That should have been a major focus. No way around it.

No, it's a future version of Peter. An alternative future version of Peter at that. It was not present Peter, and for Nathan to hold a grudge at present Peter for the shooting, or blame him would be completely stupid and without any logic.
 
Problems I had with the ep:


  1. Daphne being able to travel forwards through time without explantion. It was lame enough that they could travel back.
  2. I've never understood how Daphne can just carry someone about at superspeeds. Doesn't make sense.
  3. The easy death of the puppetmaster. I actually wanted him to kick Sylars arse at least to begin with and have some fun with Sylar by making him slap himself in the face or something, I honestly thought Sylar might have met his match. I would have rather the puppetmaster stop firewoman from running away which in turn made his hold on Sylar weaker allowing Sylar to then kill him.
  4. Hiro still has no powers and now with the formula gone there's no way he can get his power back.
  5. I thought Knox turning good guy might have been a good idea but they instead chose to save freezewoman over him. Bad move.
  6. I would have liked to see a showdown between firewoman and freezewoman with firewoman winning.
  7. I honestly don't know what goes on in Sylars head. I mean WTF! he's like a schizophrenic with 500 personalities.
The next volume just looks like it's going to be a rip off of the X-Men. :rolleyes:

Heroes has potential to be one of the greatest series to ever hit the TV but the writing is completely fucked up, I could write a better episode whilst sitting on the toilet squeezing out a turd.
 
Daphne being able to travel forwards through time without explantion. It was lame enough that they could travel back.

Actually, her ability to move forwards in time makes much more sense than her ability to move back. In theory, she should be able to run so fast that time slows down for her while continuing at a normal rate for the rest of the world. All she would have to do is keep running until she arrived back in present.

I've never understood how Daphne can just carry someone about at superspeeds. Doesn't make sense.

The same way D.L. could move someone else through a wall, the same way Claude can make other people invisible, the same way Hiro could teleport another person - powers can be extended through physical contact. She doesn't carry them, they just run alongside her while holding her hand.

The easy death of the puppetmaster. I actually wanted him to kick Sylars arse at least to begin with and have some fun with Sylar by making him slap himself in the face or something, I honestly thought Sylar might have met his match. I would have rather the puppetmaster stop firewoman from running away which in turn made his hold on Sylar weaker allowing Sylar to then kill him.

His abilities do not apply, it seems, to the victim's mind or their mouths. Once he tried his ability on Sylar he was effectively committing suicide. Sylar's telekinesis is more than enough to snap his neck.

Hiro still has no powers and now with the formula gone there's no way he can get his power back.

I agree with that, hence the first rule in Hermiod's Rules to Save Heroes.

I thought Knox turning good guy might have been a good idea but they instead chose to save freezewoman over him. Bad move.

Knox didn't turn good guy, he and Flint were acting out of their own self-interest.

I would have liked to see a showdown between firewoman and freezewoman with firewoman winning.

Another of Hermiod's Rules was to keep Daphne as this show lacks likeable female characters. Meredith might also have been a good choice.
 
Hiro still has no powers and now with the formula gone there's no way he can get his power back.

Maybe. My guess - and it's a wild guess - is that Ando The Supercharger can jump start the ability gene (or whatever the mechanism is in this show) for those who have lost their powers. He zaps Hiro and voilà Hiro has his powers back.
 
Wow...I have been hanging on to enthusiasm for the show for a long time but this episode was extremely lackluster...and I can't keep denying to myself that many of this group's criticisms of the show are perfectly valid and make much sense.

The idea of a new showrunner should have come up sooner...like before the abbreviated season 2 even ended 'cause the show has been seriously circling the drain of late and it may be beyond saving if they go much further. :(

:(

I'll hold out hope against hope long enough for Fuller to try and pull some magic out his ass as this season winds down.
 
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