NEMESIS is worst Trek movie

[ancient]

I'm not sure I follow...why would an established villain from TNG have been "lost" on the general audience?

Khan was probably not any better known to the non-Trekker audience. I just think that back story helped a lot.

But, as you say...we'll never know.

Well, my only comment here is Ricardo Montiban > Denise Crosby.

TFF had the built in bonus of "the Triumvirate" of Kirk, Spock and McCoy...if not for that -- if this had been ANY other non-Trek film the same people saying they like it would think it sucked.

That's not true for me anyway, since that was the film that made me a fan of Trek to begin with. I loved the characters and story, and the ship, and so I...started watching Trek.

The whole "search for God" plot was ridiculous and a rehash of "The Way to Eden" and, frankly, the special effects were so bad they took me out of the film...

I never noticed the effects being bad, then again I also enjoyed TOS. And I like the finding God story, which was just a finding yourself story in disguise.

I try not to be superficial -- but come on...these were just so, so bad...

Meh, they were a lot better than the TOS effects and I was never bothered by them either.

I would still love to see Shatner come back and redo the visuals. One of the big problems with the film is that the ending was basically patched together in the editing room because they ran out of money and time to finish Shatner's intended finale.

Agreed.

 

[Silversmok3]

Oh come on,Nemesis rocks!Its got cool starship combat of the Enterprise E vs Remans....

Oh,you guys were referring to the hour and 15 minute commercial before the battle?

Seriously,that's the only reason I watched it.
I once tried to watch the movie from the beginning and fell asleep.At 3:00 in the afternoon.

 

[USS Intrepid]

I'm not sure I follow...why would an established villain from TNG have been "lost" on the general audience?

Khan was probably not any better known to the non-Trekker audience. I just think that back story helped a lot.

Perhaps lost was the wrong word. My point is, the use of an established villian would probably have little impact on the general moving-going public, and would have been appreciated only by those who were ardent fans.

Not suggesting for a minute that it would have been a bad thing, just that I don't think it would have made much difference, if any, as far as box office is concerned.

Where I think Shinzon largely fails, is in his motivation. He should have been setting out to destroy Romulus, ultimately leaving Picard with the choice of siding with him, and bringing down one of the Federation's foes, or siding with the Romulans against him.

Which, come to think of it, might have made an interesting plot for Insurrection.

 

[QuasarVM]

I'm not sure I follow...why would an established villain from TNG have been "lost" on the general audience?

Khan was probably not any better known to the non-Trekker audience. I just think that back story helped a lot.

Perhaps lost was the wrong word. My point is, the use of an established villian would probably have little impact on the general moving-going public, and would have been appreciated only by those who were ardent fans.

Not suggesting for a minute that it would have been a bad thing, just that I don't think it would have made much difference, if any, as far as box office is concerned.

Where I think Shinzon largely fails, is in his motivation. He should have been setting out to destroy Romulus, ultimately leaving Picard with the choice of siding with him, and bringing down one of the Federation's foes, or siding with the Romulans against him.

Which, come to think of it, might have made an interesting plot for Insurrection.

Yeah, I agree that changing villains probably in and of itself would not have translated into bigger box office -- just that maybe had the villain been more interesting with deeper ties to the TNG crew then maybe it would have made for a better story/script and greater dramatic impact.

Then again, had the film been dramatically exciting in some way then perhaps the word of mouth would have been better and at least then would have had a chance to be a "sleeper hit" (much as Wrath of Khan was at the time of release).

Nemesis just didn't (for me anyway) have ANY drama. I've never been less moved by a Trek film emotionally. Data's "death" was the lamest death scene I think I've ever laid eyes on...and that's just pitiful. We went through 7 seasons and four movies with this character and he was rewarded with the poorest staged and conceived death that didn't bring any tears or even get me choked up. I'm sad to say it just didn't stir the emotions.

Now, I don't usually cry in movies anyway but Spock's death in WOK still chokes me up -- and this even knowing they bring him back in the next movie. I wasn't even a little choked up when Data "died". Just poorly written...poorly directed...and well -- just lame!

Data deserved better.

But, this was really sort of like Kirk's death scene (which started the grand new Trek tradition of emotionless and coldly written death scenes) which also didn't really choke me up either due to poor writing and poor direction.

Also, the Nemesis visual effects -- while technically nicely done -- suffered from the same lack of drama as Data's "death". Space battle scenes -- when executed well -- should have you on the edge of your seat. Never was I in danger of spilling my soda during Nemesis. It was a completely passive experience...like I was watching grass grow. Now, compare that to the battle scenes in WOK which had high drama! Those were pretty much perfect battle scenes...and the template for all good Trek space battles.

I agree Shinzon's motivation was flawed as well.

 

[ancient]

Nemesis just didn't (for me anyway) have ANY drama. I've never been less moved by a Trek film emotionally. Data's "death" was the lamest death scene I think I've ever laid eyes on...and that's just pitiful. We went through 7 seasons and four movies with this character and he was rewarded with the poorest staged and conceived death that didn't bring any tears or even get me choked up. I'm sad to say it just didn't stir the emotions.

Agreed 100%. NEM didn't make me feel anything. Not even hatred. It failed to inspire anything above apathy in me. Data's death was just stupid and pointless. I mean, the series of painfully obvious contrivances leading up to it just made it feel completely artificial.

Now, I don't usually cry in movies anyway but Spock's death in WOK still chokes me up -- and this even knowing they bring him back in the next movie. I wasn't even a little choked up when Data "died". Just poorly written...poorly directed...and well -- just lame!

Exactly my reactions too. Even though Spock's death is undone, it is still a powerful and moving character moment. Data's death was...not. There's no logical set-up or pay-off. Just boom.

But, this was really sort of like Kirk's death scene (which started the grand new Trek tradition of emotionless and coldly written death scenes) which also didn't really choke me up either due to poor writing and poor direction.

His first death in GEN was pretty good, the second one not so much. (yes, Kirk has two death scenes in one movie )

Also, the Nemesis visual effects -- while technically nicely done -- suffered from the same lack of drama as Data's "death". Space battle scenes -- when executed well -- should have you on the edge of your seat. Never was I in danger of spilling my soda during Nemesis. It was a completely passive experience...like I was watching grass grow. Now, compare that to the battle scenes in WOK which had high drama! Those were pretty much perfect battle scenes...and the template for all good Trek space battles.

Right again! The TWOK battle was edge-of-your-seat kickassery. The NEM battles, while quite shiney, were just ships swooping around in circles shooting little light beams at eachother while Data reports the shield percentages. *facepalm* The crew were acting like whipped puppies, not struggling heros.

I agree Shinzon's motivation was flawed as well.

Flawed? Shinzon was a puppet to the lame plot points, nothing he did rang true.

 

[QuasarVM]

Nemesis just didn't (for me anyway) have ANY drama. I've never been less moved by a Trek film emotionally. Data's "death" was the lamest death scene I think I've ever laid eyes on...and that's just pitiful. We went through 7 seasons and four movies with this character and he was rewarded with the poorest staged and conceived death that didn't bring any tears or even get me choked up. I'm sad to say it just didn't stir the emotions.

Agreed 100%. NEM didn't make me feel anything. Not even hatred. It failed to inspire anything above apathy in me. Data's death was just stupid and pointless. I mean, the series of painfully obvious contrivances leading up to it just made it feel completely artificial.

Now, I don't usually cry in movies anyway but Spock's death in WOK still chokes me up -- and this even knowing they bring him back in the next movie. I wasn't even a little choked up when Data "died". Just poorly written...poorly directed...and well -- just lame!

Exactly my reactions too. Even though Spock's death is undone, it is still a powerful and moving character moment. Data's death was...not. There's no logical set-up or pay-off. Just boom.


His first death in GEN was pretty good, the second one not so much. (yes, Kirk has two death scenes in one movie )

Also, the Nemesis visual effects -- while technically nicely done -- suffered from the same lack of drama as Data's "death". Space battle scenes -- when executed well -- should have you on the edge of your seat. Never was I in danger of spilling my soda during Nemesis. It was a completely passive experience...like I was watching grass grow. Now, compare that to the battle scenes in WOK which had high drama! Those were pretty much perfect battle scenes...and the template for all good Trek space battles.

Right again! The TWOK battle was edge-of-your-seat kickassery. The NEM battles, while quite shiney, were just ships swooping around in circles shooting little light beams at eachother while Data reports the shield percentages. *facepalm* The crew were acting like whipped puppies, not struggling heros.

I agree Shinzon's motivation was flawed as well.

Flawed? Shinzon was a puppet to the lame plot points, nothing he did rang true.

Your description of that battle sequence is pretty much dead on! It almost felt like (in terms of choreography) video game graphics. But, I blame all that on the direction.

And yes, that whole "whipped puppy" thing you mention is a good comparison! The script had them just going through the motions...and hey, there's nothing more boring than "Shields at 80%...sheilds at 50%...etc.". That's just lazy boring writing that is completely devoid of drama.

Now, that DID work in the TNG episode Q-Who? Where the ship was being pursued by the Borg for the first time...but that's because there was a real sense of danger of what would happen to the ship once those shields completely failed. But...that's good writing...good drama...and a great script!

Regarding Shinzon...suffice it to say had I written this one this sort of lame contrived "walking plot device" of a villain would not have been in the film.

 

[SPCTRE]

Now, I don't usually cry in movies anyway but Spock's death in WOK still chokes me up -- and this even knowing they bring him back in the next movie. I wasn't even a little choked up when Data "died". Just poorly written...poorly directed...and well -- just lame!

Data deserved better.

But, this was really sort of like Kirk's death scene (which started the grand new Trek tradition of emotionless and coldly written death scenes) which also didn't really choke me up either due to poor writing and poor direction.

Indeed. Kirk, Jadzia, Trip, Data, not one of them got at least a decent death scene.

As for the space battle, I remember almost quite literally jumping up and down at the prospect of a dramatic, large scale scene. Boy, was I in for a letdown. Battlegroup Omega vs. the Scimitar, talk about wasting opportunities!

 

[QuasarVM]

Now, I don't usually cry in movies anyway but Spock's death in WOK still chokes me up -- and this even knowing they bring him back in the next movie. I wasn't even a little choked up when Data "died". Just poorly written...poorly directed...and well -- just lame!

Data deserved better.

But, this was really sort of like Kirk's death scene (which started the grand new Trek tradition of emotionless and coldly written death scenes) which also didn't really choke me up either due to poor writing and poor direction.

Indeed. Kirk, Jadzia, Trip, Data, not one of them got at least a decent death scene.

As for the space battle, I remember almost quite literally jumping up and down at the prospect of a dramatic, large scale scene. Boy, was I in for a letdown. Battlegroup Omega vs. the Scimitar, talk about wasting opportunities!

Like I said...technically good FX work by Digital Domain, but not much in the way of battle choreography. Oh...and that contrived "Romulans show up to join the battle" plot device was pretty uninspiring too.

Ironically, Deep Space Nine had some of the best space battles of any Trek. They did it almost week in and week out -- some truly cinematic and visually complex sequences. There is some brilliant work represented in that series. Babylon 5 didn't even come close. Hell, even the Trek feature films have yet to rise to DS9's visual effects sophistication!

Anyway, while technically not a bad film, Nemesis really showed how ragged and tired Trek was at that point. It just seemed like nearly everyone involved said, "You mean we have to make another one of these? Wasn't seven seasons and three movies enough?".

That's what the film felt like to me. If a film could give a "vibe" this is the one I got from Nemesis.

And now...let the revels begin (parody with a dose of truth thrown in)!

All those characters you mentioned...yeah...they all deserved a better death scene or some kind of farewell that would have left them with their fictional dignity. Rick Berman allowed the cinematic abuse of these poor characters...and didn't lose a wink of sleep over it. In the last fifteen minutes -- shoot em in the back, knock em off a bridge...kill em off senselessly. I mean good God almighty -- that's just rude and a serious disservice to all the fans who stayed with these characters to the bitter (literally) end. I mean, truly...no respect to the actors or the fans. It's crass...rude...and inexcusable if you ask me (and even if you don't). If there could be a war crimes tribunal for disrespectful cinematic deaths then some of these Trek writers and Rick Berman would be awaiting their turn in the gallows of cinematic justice -- with judgement handed down by someone dressed like Trelane wearing an English judges wig! You know...the white curly ones...If there could be a "Guantanamo Bay" for the cinematically inept and criminal then these clowns would surely have a cage and be forced to wear pink women's underwear with white lace on their heads while being barked at by a rabid German Shepherd on a 100% black leather...tether! But wait..there's more: they should be forced to wear ladies' shiny black pumps during all this to add to the humiliation! :-)

That'll learn em!

But seriously...I hope Rick Berman is flipping burgers somewhere (perhaps at his local "In and Out Burger" location or "Del Taco") and never gets to touch Star Trek ever again. Sure, he did SOME good things (I don't want to come off implying everything he touched turned to crap), but I lay the slow decline and near-death experience of Star Trek squarely at his cloven hooves (errr...I mean FEET!). And he did this not because he's the Anti-Christ (although some fans would have you believe he is) but because he kept the same writing team (with minor changes) working on Trek for far too long. Brannon Braga (Who, incidentally IS the one true Anti-Christ who makes people think it's Rick Berman through some crude form of mind control. The same mind control that got him dates with Jeri Ryan, BTW.) and that woman who produced Voyager (her name eludes me now) should have been shown the door midway through their tenure. Michael Piller (May he rest in peace!) wrote Best of Both Worlds (austensibly one of the best TNG episodes), but I really believe he was a very overrated writer. What did he do that was worth a damn after that? I honestly must wrack my brain to think of anything. He did write the wretched Insurrection though -- hardly a coup de grace! It was so, so obvious these writers were bereft of creative motivation, incentive, or wherewithal for a very very long time. But, Berman kept em on and Star Trek (and the poor fans who kept hoping and praying to the almighty Great Bird of the Galaxy that it would get better!) paid the price.

Ironically, two of the series's best writers -- Maurice Hurley (who created the Borg) and Tracy Torme unceremoniously fled the series -- or at the very least were seemingly not encouraged to stay aboard...or whatever. TNG was at its best when the writing team was in turmoil (kind of like any great Rock N Roll band -- take a look at Fleetwood Mac and The Police as Exhibits A and B to support my claim that turmoil, angst, wailing and gnashing of teeth and chaos produce genius) and changing writers. It kept the show fresh.

Good riddance to Berman though! And Rick...I'd like a double -- with cheese. I'd like onion rings and a large Diet Dr Pepper with that order too. :-)

Ok...now I've made myself hungry...

Time for din-din.

 

[USS Intrepid]

Michael Piller (May he rest in peace!) wrote Best of Both Worlds (austensibly one of the best TNG episodes), but I really believe he was a very overrated writer. What did he do that was worth a damn after that? I honestly must wrack my brain to think of anything. He did write the wretched Insurrection though -- hardly a coup de grace!

Piller was an extremey talented writer, and your off the cuff dismissal is both unfair and inaccurate.

It was Piller who was responsible for Next Gen's uptick and success in the third season. He set the tone, and direction for TNG during it's golden years, writing numerous episodes, pushing the writers to focus on character.

He was also one of the people who created DS9, and wrote the script for the pilot, as well as favourites such as Whispers and Crossover.

You can diss his work on Insurrection all you want, but the script we ended up with is not the one he wanted to write, it's the one he was pushed into giving us. I happen to like Insurrection, but I have no doubts Piller's original script was the superior.

He was also the show runner on The Dead Zone, which at it's peak was an incredibly well-written,well-produced show. Ironically, it went downhill after Piller's death.

 

[QuasarVM]

Michael Piller (May he rest in peace!) wrote Best of Both Worlds (austensibly one of the best TNG episodes), but I really believe he was a very overrated writer. What did he do that was worth a damn after that? I honestly must wrack my brain to think of anything. He did write the wretched Insurrection though -- hardly a coup de grace!

Piller was an extremey talented writer, and your off the cuff dismissal is both unfair and inaccurate.

It was Piller who was responsible for Next Gen's uptick and success in the third season. He set the tone, and direction for TNG during it's golden years, writing numerous episodes, pushing the writers to focus on character.

He was also one of the people who created DS9, and wrote the script for the pilot, as well as favourites such as Whispers and Crossover.

You can diss his work on Insurrection all you want, but the script we ended up with is not the one he wanted to write, it's the one he was pushed into giving us. I happen to like Insurrection, but I have no doubts Piller's original script was the superior.

He was also the show runner on The Dead Zone, which at it's peak was an incredibly well-written,well-produced show. Ironically, it went downhill after Piller's death.

His third season work WAS good...and I pointed out BOBW as an example. I did like his work on DS9 also. Yeah, now that I really think about it, Piller was pretty good...but Insurrection...ugh.

The stretchy face aliens didn't impress me...

 

[QuasarVM]

Bump...

Brent Spiner has been defending Berman...

"It think it’s really short-sighted of people to give Rick grief. I just say to any of them, ‘You go produce a television show and produce hundreds of hours of television shows,’ which these people have watched more than once"

 

[ALF]

All right. I'm gonna do my part and sing a little bit of the gospel when it comes to the bizarre event that was NEM.

RobertScorpio, I realize your argument is, in large part based on the financial failure of NEM. I hear you, bro. When I saw it in the theater opening night, let's just say it wasn't packed to capacity. So I'm not surprised to hear about the figures.

Star Trek V was bizarre. Finding God is a great concept, but a weird mess of an execution. I love the camping scenes though, I find it hilarious that Spock, Bones and Kirk choose to go camping together and eat baked beans and sing in their off duty time. Greatness and comedy. Heart.

With the ongoing discussion of what WAS in NEM, I'd like to call attention to the fact of what WASN'T in Nemesis, which was a great deal. Some of the scenes cut should have been in there. Riker fouling all over Picards' new number one (Bree Vandicamp's S&M loving husband from Desperate Housewives, nice casting!). I was actually curiously hoping to see Wesley's Crusher's cameo, as the wounds from his earnestness have healed from the first three seasons. It was cut. I finally saw it earlier today...
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/star-trek-nemesis-deleted-scene/1983545737
And let me tell you... this is AWFUL. I'm not a Wesley hater... he certainly has his place in TNG. But this cameo? Technobabble about the Titan's warp core and then he gets "distracted" by some space puss? Jeeeezas. That's just terrible. Why did Wesley get reduced to such a disposable joke? He's a writer. He could have written his own cameo, I'm sure. That's what Robin Williams always does.
Some of the other deleted scenes are interesting though. There's one where Picard and Beverly seem to be perving (is that a word) on each other. Remarkable. I can't find the link to that one.
I wish the DVD would have an option to re-integrate the deleted scenes into the film. Some movies have that option. It is digital. It's the information age. Let's rock.

As for Wesley, he is great in this Titan thing from the Star Trek tour.
http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_seyret&Itemid=227&task=videodirectlink&id=543

Ultimately, the scene that really could have made this movie memorable was the battle at the end. Although it remains the highlight of the film for me, I'd read elsewhere and on this forum that the producers wanted a huge throbbling rager of a space battle with a full Federation fleet and more Rommie ships laying spunk all over the Scimitar. What we got was a watered down version of what should have been a la Wolf 359.

That's by two bits. I was irritated by the rehash of the telepathic rape (not even memorable as it was originally in "Violations") and the whimsical nature of B4 (why not? It seems like there are hundreds of Datas out there now), but it didn't detract as much as it felt like...

Nemesis was the picked over Christmas turkey of the Trek films. The battle was gone (drumsticks) the better character based deleted scenes (the white meat) and the rehashed plot elements (is this stuffing from a box??).

I felt like the best part of the movie never made it to the screen at all.

 

[RobertScorpio]

I felt like the best part of the movie never made it to the screen at all.

I just compare these two movies in a simple way. We just watched Star Trek V on Sunday. Not all of it. We got to the part where Sybok has his 'scene' with K/S/M and Deforest gets to show his acting chops, finally. Then we got side tracked and never came back (we played Balderdash..great game)

But I can honestly tell you that there isn't one thing that did make it into Nemesis that I would ever want to see again...I saw the movie twice in the theatres...the first time I was just in awe of how BAD the movie was and the very tepid responce from an opening day Star Trek crowd..

Then I saw it three months later at the $1 theatre. I saw it with my best friend who gave up seeing first run movies at full price because he hates movies...he likes INDIE film...but I digress.

So there were three of us in that theatre..and so I just sat back and watched the movie...and even on simple levels, Star Trek V is the better movie. Shatner directed his movie better than Baird did Nemesis. At times when I watch V I feel like "Okay, its starting to get some momentum." And then it falls flat with scenes like "i know this ship like the back of my hand" scenes...But there are good scenes in V, good character scenes. The campfire, the scene mentioned earlier when McCoy relives his pain...even some of the dialog between Kirk and Sybok is okay...

But Nemesis has none of that...the so called 'character' scenes seem forced. The sets are dark and dreary, especially the ones on Shinzon's ship. The music in the background is hardly there, and..well..the acting, sorry Patrick, is just not clicking...

I tried watching Nemesis last year and just gave up...I mind replayed the movie in my head and I said to myself "Why?"...So I plopped in Way of The Warrior instead...

Now I know there are fans out there who hate V as much as I hate Nemesis. So it comes down to personal choice, which is fine with me. But we will both agree that both movies are not exactly what Trek movies should be. They both mis-fired more than they got it right. Far too many Star Trek movies do that..they just fall flat.

Hopefully TREK XI will change the 'bad taste' that general audiences have from seeing Star Trek movies..

Rob
scorpio

 

[david g]

Nemesis is an excellent, thought-provoking, mature Trek film. Just about the only thing about I could take a pass on is Data's unresonant death at the end. But other than that, it's a brilliant film. Why all the hate? It's way over the top (the hate).

 

[RobertScorpio]

Nemesis is an excellent, thought-provoking, mature Trek film. Just about the only thing about I could take a pass on is Data's unresonant death at the end. But other than that, it's a brilliant film. Why all the hate? It's way over the top (the hate).

Ummmm..yeah..I was wondering if Berman had an alias on this site...

Rob

 

[Anticitizen]

Nemesis is an excellent, thought-provoking, mature Trek film. Just about the only thing about I could take a pass on is Data's unresonant death at the end. But other than that, it's a brilliant film. Why all the hate? It's way over the top (the hate).

There are three pages of answers to your question before your post! My number one reason for disliking it is the fact that it's a complete rip-off of The Wrath of Khan, almost plot point by plot point, without any of the symbolism, meaning, or drama.

 

[ancient]

Nemesis is an excellent, thought-provoking, mature Trek film. Just about the only thing about I could take a pass on is Data's unresonant death at the end. But other than that, it's a brilliant film. Why all the hate? It's way over the top (the hate).

There are three pages of answers to your question before your post! My number one reason for disliking it is the fact that it's a complete rip-off of The Wrath of Khan, almost plot point by plot point, without any of the symbolism, meaning, or drama.

The entire movie was stolen from some earlier Trek and crammed together in a very dumb way. Not to mention that the film is so static and lifeless. It's like the movie is trying to force me to fall asleep. The direction is crap, the acting is crap, the story is crap, and the action is uninspired.

The whole thing is so implausable. The timeline goes something like this, if we assume Shinzon is 25:

-The Romulans clone Picard, captain of the USS Stargazer.
-When Shinzon is maybe 10 they decide to make him a Reman slave.
-The Remans for some reason give a shit about an alien kid and help him.
-Shinzon spends 10 years underground.
-The Remans make Shinzon their leader...? For some reason?
-Despite the fact that Remans are 'canon fodder' Shinzon is given command of romulan forces during the dominion war. (he's what, 17 years old at this point?)
-Shinzon builds an uber-ship with technology far more advanced than the federation or romulan ships. Without the romulans finding out.
-Shinzon finds a Soong android somehow.
-He somehow reprograms it.
-He leaves it on a planet near the neutral zone, scattered in pieces.
-He kills the romulan senate with the help of the military.
-By random chance the Enterprise is sent to romulus rather than any other ship.
-Shinzon, after waiting his whole life for his moment of glory, sits around jerking off for the better part of a day.
-Shinzon uses the B-4 android to steal starfleet's info. Which he doesn't need anyway.
-Captures Picard FINALLY but then doesn't steal his blood, or destroy the Enterprise, or warp to Earth. Everyone just sits on their hands until Data saves Picard. THAT WENT WELL.
-Romulans turn on Shinzon because they...want to save Earth...despite having given Shinzon power so he COULD destroy the entire federation. Yeah, whatever.
-blah blah blah.
-Shinzon is killed by a...pointy wall decoration.

It's all nonsense. I've read fanfics that made more sense.

 

[Siwilliams]

-Shinzon is killed by a...pointy wall decoration.

So? It was never done before in the trek films

 

[cardinal biggles]

They've also never had a villain die by having a sumo wrestler sit on his face and suffocate him between the guy's ginormous asscheeks. Doesn't mean J.J. should find a way to work it into the Trek XII script.

 

[ancient]

I heard Nero dies by accidently impaling himself on the armrest of his own chair.