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Breakfast at McDonald's...

I'd like to thank everyone for the cynical, heartless and cold-blooded comments. After reading the OP, I was seriously troubled by the level on corniness and inanity displayed. But now you have restored my faith on humanity. There is at least someone sane out there. Thank you. :)

Too bad I didn't have time to read TLS reply. On second thought, better not.
 
Well I decided McDonalds is so passe, I gave an extra sausage, egg, and cheese croissant from Burger King to some guy outside of the library one day.

On the other hand my favorite gift to a "homeless" man was when I walked out a local bookstore one day, a guy approached me and asked for money, for something to eat saying he hadn't eaten in over a day. I told him wait one moment, went into Subway and bought him sub and a drink and gave it to him. The looks on his friends faces was priceless, the guy just wanted the money, instead he got the food instead.

His friends had a good laugh over it.
 
Is it just me or did the whole "light of God" stuff just feel tacked on? It seems like just a good example of someone being kind and nice.

Not just you. All of it was mumbo jumbo to me and read like a woman nuts and full of herself on God, Christianity or whatever.

THe "light of god" stuff, the "I didn't do this for you, God did," oh, and EVERYONE in the restaurant (including HER FAMILY) judged the men and retreated them and then looked at HER to judge HER actions?!

Oh, and they were BEHIND her in line, but they got their coffee and sat down before her? (!)

Whatever. BS story. The kind of stuff Christian nuts chain mail all over the place. I don't buy a lick of it.

Want to know a REAL good-hearted story from a non-religion practicing man?

I was walking out of a BestBuy once, it was a cold November evening. A woman in a beat-up late-80s sedan pulled up and called me over. Figuring she needed directions I walked up to her window. She looked desperate and said she just moved to the area and her husband had just gotten a job and was working that night but she needed groceries (specificly formula for her baby) for that evening and she was wondering if I would simply buy the baby formula and some frozen family dinner for her.

I asked her to follow me to a nearby grocery store where I pulled $100 out of an ATM and I handed it to her and told her to buy all of the groceries she needed and best of luck to her.

I didn't do it for me, or so I could feel good.
I didn't do it for God.
I did it for HER because she needed the money.

Was it a sham? Probably, but she did first ask me simply to buy her formula, so my heart told me it wasn't.

I did it because I'm a kind person who wanted to help another human being.
 
Well yeah, that was my first thought too. But when you sift out all the "Light of God" mumbo jumbo, it's basically a story about how helping your fellow man is just generally a good idea. Something to be commended, as far as I'm concerned.

God is "mumbo jumbo"? Hmm, well if that's true then why is helping your fellow man a good idea? Wouldn't that depend on a non-existant moral standard?

Yes, I think God is mumbo jumbo. You don't. Brava.

And why must morality and God go hand in hand? I'm immoral because I'm an atheist who thinks helping people in need is a good idea? Explain that one, please.

I'm not saying you don't have morals. I am saying that you do not have a moral standard. God sets that standard.
 
I'd like to thank everyone for the cynical, heartless and cold-blooded comments. After reading the OP, I was seriously troubled by the level on corniness and inanity displayed. But now you have restored my faith on humanity. There is at least someone sane out there. Thank you. :)

Too bad I didn't have time to read TLS reply. On second thought, better not.

Delete.
 
No, it would depend on an evolutionary instinct designed to further the propagation of the species.

Tell that to homosexuals.
Yeah, so you're walking across the street and you turn your head quickly to look at some hot chick in tight pants and someone grabs you by the collar and pulls you back out of the way of a speeding van.

You turn to thank them and it is a couple of drag queens on their way to a party. One of them says, "God didn't make me do it. I just thought you were attractive, so I saved your ass." You promptly attack them, because that's what people who get their morals from God do.

"Propagate the species" can also mean working together and taking care of each other. I guess Christians don't understand that.
 
I was walking out of a BestBuy once, it was a cold November evening. A woman in a beat-up late-80s sedan pulled up and called me over. Figuring she needed directions I walked up to her window. She looked desperate and said she just moved to the area and her husband had just gotten a job and was working that night but she needed groceries (specificly formula for her baby) for that evening and she was wondering if I would simply buy the baby formula and some frozen family dinner for her.

I asked her to follow me to a nearby grocery store where I pulled $100 out of an ATM and I handed it to her and told her to buy all of the groceries she needed and best of luck to her.

I didn't do it for me, or so I could feel good.
I didn't do it for God.
I did it for HER because she needed the money.

Was it a sham? Probably, but she did first ask me simply to buy her formula, so my heart told me it wasn't.

I did it because I'm a kind person who wanted to help another human being.

It's nice, and you're definitely a kind person, but you probably got scammed. I've heard that exact same stories several times from panhandlers - they're new to town, but they have a job (or husband has a job) but they just need a few bucks right now to help buy food for their baby/child. They know that the vast majority of people will just give them cash rather than actually go to the trouble of buying food.

Once I was almost scammed with this story by a woman pushing a stroller (I took a close look and realized there was NO BABY in the stroller, just pillows).

Keep in mind that baby formula is one of those things covered by the WIC program, so poor women generally have no problem getting it for free. Food banks also provide formula, as do shelters for homeless families.

And think about it - if you were really desperate for infant formula, wouldn't you go to a church, or a shelter or a hospital? Or call your relatives and ask them to wire you money? Would you really flag down shoppers outside the Best Buy and ask them for infant formula?

What she wanted was cash, and when she got it, it almost certainly went for drugs and/or alcohol and helped subsidize her life on the streets.

I spent some time as a volunteer in a homeless shelter and supporter center in St. Louis, and every single staffer there told me that they would never, ever give money to a homeless person on the street, because 95% of the time the money went to drugs or alcohol. The handouts basically help KEEP these people on the streets.
 
Homeless agencies always advise that you don't give money directly to the homeless, all you do is enable them to score.
 
This is not an Audrey Hepburn movie

I'm not a big fan of tying religion in with natural compassion, but human kindness is something I've always admired greatly. I also believe there are plenty of kind people in the world! :)
That's pretty much how I feel about it, in a nutshell. But here's my clumsy, long-winded way of saying it. :devil:

Perfection is in intentions, and I'll grant that to the quoted lady... :angel: but I think that sounding like she takes herself for the second coming sort of takes the human kindness element out of it.

I wouldn't mind - nay, I would applaud her discourse if believers acknowledged the human side of grace. (Of course that's just my biased opinion. To me, it's squarely the human nature of grace. I just want to give human beings a little credit and responsibility.)
Or if she wasn't advertising her own story every chance she gets, not to mention with a bit of drama. "I slowly nodded." Please! To quote the least.

Of course she'd want to propagate that generous feeling of unconditional acceptance, I get that. I wish luck to the endeavour. But there's way and way of doing it. This tale sounds a bit too much like self-glorification (if only collateral benefit). Anybody seen Douglas Sirk's 'Magnificent Obsession'? I know, Sirk is preachy too, but that one's about not taking credit for acts of kindness.

And... perhaps someone should tell that lady never to give money to a person begging for baby formula... Although if she's real (which her husband's line of dialogue makes hard to believe for me), she'd probably go to the store, buy the baby formula and a pack of diapers!

Hey, I have a particular fondness for suckers. ;) I can relate.

That's a well know internet chain letter - I had to blacklist my own sister because she kept sending me that sort of crap.
Hm, I had a friend like that.
Darn, I knew I should have read that thread in the proper order! :lol:
When I read that text, I skipped to the end looking for a request to send it to 20 people. Not seeing it, I gave it the benefit of the doubt.

That lady sort of exists, though. The debate is valid, I suppose.

I was going to add to my post, what disturbs me a little is that generosity so often comes with faith. Sort of gives us heathens a bad consience. I console myself in thinking that the most generous two people I've known were my maternal grandmother and my paternal grandfather. The former was very pious, the latter was very atheistic. Both systems work. :)

And they were both suckers sometimes. It comes with being generous.
 
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Re: This is not an Audrey Hepburn movie

I think I preferred Joe Zhang's take.

And Sausage and Egg McMuffins are great, they charge up my batteries for the day. Love the pancakes too, just not very often. :)
 
Re: This is not an Audrey Hepburn movie

David Dunn from Unbreakable came to mind as I read through this thread. THAT'S how a hero does things.

And yeah, I like the Sausage, Egg & Cheese McGriddle every now and then. It's junk food, but it's a good treat once in a while. Sometimes I get it with the bacon instead of the sausage patty.
 
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