"Admit it's a reboot!!!" Who cares, really.

[ST-One]

IMO, the only reason JJ doesn't want to CALL it a "reboot" is because of the big stink over the Battlestar Galactica reboot. JJ didn't want an angry, VERY vocal group of fans carrying on for months and months about "continuing, NOT rebooting" and driving away the mainstream audience he hopes to attract.

Of course, he's gotten a modicum of that in any event...

What stink? No one paid or pays attention to the old and tired Galactica diehards.

Actually, the complaints about nuBSG paid a nice little publicity dividend for the producers, especially when series star James Edward Olmos stood up at a gathering of national entertainment press and urged the diehards not to watch the miniseries.

Might not even hurt "Star Trek" to have a few would-be admirals out walking a picket line in front of a movie theater or two in full "uniform."

Don't you mean 'Captain in a cardigan'?

 

[JoeZhang]

Who cares, really.

A bunch of Religious Extremists.

If you take any statement about fundamentalism, and swop out the word "god" for Roddenberry, they work perfectly -


A major problem with fundamentalism is that fundamentalists believe they know Roddenberry's will for star trek. Fundamentalists believe that they know the truth, that their understanding is 100% accurate and there can be no questioning it and no compromise. Their position is "utterly non-negotiable."

 

[darkwing_duck1]

It's in every ep of TOS, right next to the turbolift on the bridge on the ship's commissioning/dedication plaque. It gives her name, class, and place of commissioning: San Francisco, California.

What do I need to actually see this? I've been hearing about this for decades, and I've seen pictures, but what does it take to see it on my own TV? And can I see it from my chair, or will I have to walk right up to the screen?

Maybe on the high def versions, though you'll probably have to get up and look or take a screencap and zoom.

I don't see how that matters though, it's been reproduced numerous times and the information has been authenticated via other sources so I don't understand what the fuss is about. It's established Trek Universe 1.0 fact.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

Does it really matter to anyone but the canonites that it's a reboot, remake, or any other re-word that you can come up with? It looks like a good movie, and in my book, that's all that's relevant. Hell, they could reimagine Captain Kirk as a virgin, midget Asian woman for all I care, so long as they made it entertaining.

I guess this means I'm not a real fan, huh?

To me, it matters IF they're going to insist that this movie, with all of it's canon violations, exists in the exact same universe as the last 40 years of Trek.

If it's a reboot, then all bets are off, and I can make up my mind about the movie entirely on it's own merits.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

It reads:

U.S.S. Enterprise
Starship Class
San Francisco, Calif.


Okay, "starship class" either contradicts "Constitution class" or is meaningless - and what the San Fran reference precisely means is unknown since nothing on the plaque indicates what it means. It's assumed to be the place of commissioning.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

IMO, the only reason JJ doesn't want to CALL it a "reboot" is because of the big stink over the Battlestar Galactica reboot. JJ didn't want an angry, VERY vocal group of fans carrying on for months and months about "continuing, NOT rebooting" and driving away the mainstream audience he hopes to attract.

Of course, he's gotten a modicum of that in any event...

What stink? No one paid or pays attention to the old and tired Galactica diehards.

I suspect that the Trek diehards will be treated with similar disdain and disinterest.

They paid enough attention to them that the topic was repeatedly addressed at conventions. Edward James Olmos even went out of his way at a press conference to TELL old-school die-hards that it would be better for them to "don't watch this show".

Things got so bad on the Sci-Fi Channel boards that they even had to institute thread and post censorship because of the flaming going on.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

It reads:

U.S.S. Enterprise
Starship Class
San Francisco, Calif.


Okay, "starship class" either contradicts "Constitution class" or is meaningless - and what the San Fran reference precisely means is unknown since nothing on the plaque indicates what it means. It's assumed to be the place of commissioning.

When the plaque was made and the bridge first constructed, the intention was that the Enterprise and her sisters were Starship-class vessels. Backstage production memos confirm this (see Whitfield's book).

They quickly and quietly dropped that, and the term "starship" became a generic ship descriptor for type, rather than a class name. The term "Constitution class" can be traced as far back as some of the viewer graphics Scotty is looking over in a TOS ep, and was eventually given full retcon status in ST VI and "Relics".

 

[Jon1701]

It reads:

U.S.S. Enterprise
Starship Class
San Francisco, Calif.


Okay, "starship class" either contradicts "Constitution class" or is meaningless - and what the San Fran reference precisely means is unknown since nothing on the plaque indicates what it means. It's assumed to be the place of commissioning.

You are right of course. It doesn't say built at San Francisco, California. It just says it.

San Francisco is the location of Starfleet headquarters. All Starfleet ships built on earth could be registered there.

 

[johnconner]

As an old-school Trek nerd (cracked voice: "Back in my day, we didn't have no Internet or DVDs. We had syndication and rabbit ears, and WE LIKED IT!"), one fact I like quite a lot is that we see the original characters in the prime of their careers (or earlier, and heading into it).

I mean, as much as I liked the movies, there was only so much leeway you had because of the actor's ages. This new movie throws that whole obstruction right out the window.

And I can't wait.

As for whether it's a reboot, re-imagining or anything else? I'm just happy Kirk, Spock and McCoy are going to be in a big movie, and it looks insanely great. I couldn't have asked for more.

And as for the erstwhile Captain April, Iowa shipyards and the like: don't care, especially if it was a casual mention in a book or Memory Alpha or somesuch.

Anyway, my tastes, my opinion. Woo!

 

[The Wormhole]

and was eventually given full retcon status in ST VI and "Relics".

Earlier than that, actually. The TNG episode The Naked Now (aired in 87, first episode after Farpoint) is in fact the first time the original 1701 is referred to as Constitution class.

 

[Captain Robert April]

What didn't help in that instance was that the graphic they put up was of the refit.

 

[The Wormhole]

What didn't help in that instance was that the graphic they put up was of the refit.

No, actually, when they referance the events of TOS's The Naked Time they actually say these events happened on "the Constitution class Enterprise under Kirk's command."

 

[Captain Robert April]

And the graphic that came up on the screen when they were looking up the previous case was of the refit, not the original Enterprise.

 

[mredom]

there are kids here getting their shorts in a knot about serial numbers.

can you say "obsessive-compulsive"?

I can't wait for May.

 

[The Wormhole]

And the graphic that came up on the screen when they were looking up the previous case was of the refit, not the original Enterprise.

Still, the dialogue is clearly referancing TV series events, therefore they are establishing the TV series design as Constitution class. The graphic on screen is irrelevant.

 

[Garak]

In short, JJ and Co. have been lying through their teeth about what they're doing from the beginning, and they are continuing to lie to us every time they trot out this "not really a reboot" crap! Not only is this blatantly dishonest, it's also disrespectful of the fanbase....

OMFG!!!!!! Are there any authorities we can alert? This guy sounds like a monster and must be brought to justice!!!! So mad right now.

 

[btflash]

Because they've gone through a very elaborate, and tedious, song and dance about how it isn't a reboot and that "there's a canon explanation for everything". At this point, it's looking like that "canon explanation" is that canon has been wiped out.

In short, JJ and Co. have been lying through their teeth about what they're doing from the beginning, and they are continuing to lie to us every time they trot out this "not really a reboot" crap! Not only is this blatantly dishonest, it's also disrespectful of the fanbase to such a degree that, had he tried this crap in the not-too-distant past, there would've been protests outside the Paramount gates with JJ being burned in effigy.

What I really find dismaying is that so many so-called fans are not only okay with being lied to, they're actually applauding this fraud.

i agree with you, and think the rational of many fans is that "bad" trek is better than no trek! i don't subscibe to that but many trek fans i know are of that mindset.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

And the graphic that came up on the screen when they were looking up the previous case was of the refit, not the original Enterprise.

So what? Kirk's Enterprise's (both of them) were Constitution-class...

 

[darkwing_duck1]

In short, JJ and Co. have been lying through their teeth about what they're doing from the beginning, and they are continuing to lie to us every time they trot out this "not really a reboot" crap! Not only is this blatantly dishonest, it's also disrespectful of the fanbase....

OMFG!!!!!! Are there any authorities we can alert? This guy sounds like a monster and must be brought to justice!!!! So mad right now.

Snide comments aside, why can't they just tell the truth?

 

[btflash]

In short, JJ and Co. have been lying through their teeth about what they're doing from the beginning, and they are continuing to lie to us every time they trot out this "not really a reboot" crap! Not only is this blatantly dishonest, it's also disrespectful of the fanbase....

OMFG!!!!!! Are there any authorities we can alert? This guy sounds like a monster and must be brought to justice!!!! So mad right now.

Snide comments aside, why can't they just tell the truth?

it's difficult for hollywood types........