• Welcome! The TrekBBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans.
    If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Curious - what are the distinctions between England, Great Britain, UK

Re: Curious - what are the distinctions between England, Great Britain

^^^^

So, in otherwords, when the American colonists of the 13 colonies were shouting "The British are coming! The British are coming!" over the hills and on the shores, the American colonists were referring to the English only.

Well, a great deal of the colonists didn't give a shit.

I'd say the 20% of colonists who remained loyal to the crown did?

Yeah, some patriots did remain loyal to their country, but I'd wager most were more concerned about their day to day business than some business man having to pay tariffs on tea.
 
Re: Curious - what are the distinctions between England, Great Britain

And, why is England "the international face of Great Britain" over that of Scotland and Wales throughout the rest of the world?

Population of England: 51,092,000
Population of Scotland: 5,144,200
Population of Wales: 3,004,600
Population of N. Ireland: 1,741,600

There simply are much, much more English than Welsh, Scottish and people from Northern Ireland.
 
Re: Curious - what are the distinctions between England, Great Britain

i suspect people from South America or from Europe might be able to tell apart the British and the English and Scottish because of sports as well.

i mean, everyone's already rabbited on about the 'soccer' and cricket angles, but there's also rugby to consider; another sport where the English, Scots and Welsh play as seperate entities against the likes of France, Italy, Argentina, Uruguay, Canada, America, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, Fiji, Japan and so on...
 
Re: Curious - what are the distinctions between England, Great Britain

the thing that always irritates me is when Americans (and some other foreigners) always assume that English people all sound like the Queen or Dick Van bloody Dyke. like England's accents consist of RP and Cockernee and nothing else.

thank Christ for British films like Hot Fuzz, Shaun of the Dead and The Full Monty crossing the Atlantic (and what'sername in Frasier) and showing there's more than 2 English accents.

Ah yes the Full Monty, where that famous Yorkshireman Robert Carlyle sounded completely authentic.

Daphne's accent was not particularly good, if you ask anyone from the area she purported to come from.
 
Re: Curious - what are the distinctions between England, Great Britain

Ah yes the Full Monty, where that famous Yorkshireman Robert Carlyle sounded completely authentic.

Has an internationally successful British film set in the North ever not been based on "It's grim up North" misery ?
 
Re: Curious - what are the distinctions between England, Great Britain

What's wrong with Northern England? Is it the opposite of over here in the US, with the South being far superior to the North over there?
 
Re: Curious - what are the distinctions between England, Great Britain

Ah yes the Full Monty, where that famous Yorkshireman Robert Carlyle sounded completely authentic.

Has an internationally successful British film set in the North ever not been based on "It's grim up North" misery ?

You're either toying with me or you didn't actually read my post.
 
Re: Curious - what are the distinctions between England, Great Britain

What's wrong with Northern England? Is it the opposite of over here in the US, with the South being far superior to the North over there?

I would not say there is anything "wrong" with it as such, it's just that London is in the South and that's where most of Britain's best paid jobs are centered around. The South has areas that are just as poor.

A lot of British industry was based in the North and now that much of that is gone, unemployment is somewhat unevenly distributed.

At the same time, though, it's made to look worse by British TV and film productions that do little to portray modern cities like Manchester or Newcastle in a positive light.

You're either toying with me or you didn't actually read my post.

I did read your post, I was just making a comment about The Full Monty. They do, after all, set up their stripping act because they've lost their jobs.
 
Re: Curious - what are the distinctions between England, Great Britain

One depressing thing I've seen a lot of Americans do is assume the Great in Great Britian is "great" as in "brilliant" :rolleyes:
btw, "Great" can also refer to mass! As in the main landmass of England, Scotland and Wales is greater than any of the outer islands or Northern Ireland

I heard that Britain had controlled parts of France at one time that was called Lower Britain or Little Britain or something like that with the homeland being called Great Britain.
 
Re: Curious - what are the distinctions between England, Great Britain

^No, no, we just own the French figuratively, not literally. :D
 
Re: Curious - what are the distinctions between England, Great Britain

At the same time, though, it's made to look worse by British TV and film productions that do little to portray modern cities like Manchester or Newcastle in a positive light.

Many moons ago I was talking to a guy working for the BBC developing a pitch... he was telling me back then the BBC were eager to take more regional programs and rightly predicted Wales making some breakouts (Doctor Who being the most well known) and BBC Scotland later commissioned to film Phoo Action in Glasgow.

Phoo Action was set in London, and Doctor Who may as well be - London is the centre of the world on British TV, it feels like anything outside of their region is like a rebel territory.

Off the top of my head the best representation for more regional settings seems to be soaps...
 
Re: Curious - what are the distinctions between England, Great Britain

I heard that Britain had controlled parts of France at one time that was called Lower Britain or Little Britain or something like that with the homeland being called Great Britain.

Not exactly. France has a province called Britanny: in French, Britanny is Bretagne, while Great Britain is Grande Bretagne.

Britanny got its name, not from being controlled by Britain, but from being settled by Britons during Late Antiquity. That's why there's a distinctive Breton language, which is related to Welsh and Cornish.

From what I've read, it was even called "Little Britain" at one point, as you say.
 
Re: Curious - what are the distinctions between England, Great Britain

the English also controlled the Calais region for some time, which IIRC was why we fought the frogs at Agincourt.
 
Re: Curious - what are the distinctions between England, Great Britain

I'm a Northerner, and lived most of my life here, but I did live "down South" for over three years.
The way I see it is the majority of Southerners simply have never been to the North, at least not properly. And fair enough they don't go to the North; I'm not blaming them per se. The Lake District & Yorkshire Dales etc are beautiful places to visit, but it's not like there's tonnes of must see stuff. I've visited various cities in the UK, and they're all the bloody same essentially so if you live in London what's the point of going to Newcastle, Leeds etc.
And so as such they don't really know what they're talking about when it comes to the abuse they hurl out at Northerners. They just see these shit films and watch Coronation Street and assume we're all like that.

One part of the South I lived in was the West Country, bordering Dorset, Somerset and Wiltshire. And most people from around there had never been beyond Bath.
Take the piss out of Northerners and their accents all you want, but with your stereotypical West Country folk? Gimme a break
And talk about casual racism there. But then I honestly don't think most of the people I knew there had actually ever met a non-white person in their life.


Another thing about the South I never really understood until I lived there was the "City-Country divide" farmers always go on about. Coming from a suburb Leeds, West Yorkshire myself, I never understood the divide originally. In the North you can go from one to the other in no time.
Where I used to live there was a farm at the top of my road on the edge of my housing estate (not council btw ;)), yet I could get the train in the town where I lived and be in Leeds city centre in about 10-15 minutes.
When I lived in the South however, I saw why. As it seemed all there is in the South is London, the countryside to the west of it... and that's it.
Where I lived in Dorset I had to drive bloody miles to get anywhere, it's just full of little villages and crummy market towns. And then when I did the nearest city was Salisbury, which is rubbish. It's not a city, yes it's got a cathedral and thus technically is a city, but I've been to a city, that wasn't what one. Biggish town at its best.
There was also literally ZERO public transport, just to get to the nearest train station was about a 20 minute drive, and even then it was a pretty lousy station too. If you wanted to anywhere half-decent you'd have to go all the way to London (200 miles east) and then go from there.


Oh yeah, and another thing, Southerners are so bloody miserable! I really missed the cheery Northern attitude down there. Ask a stranger for help and mostly they look at you like shit on their shoe.
So yeah, I'm glad to be back North now. Northern pride! :D
 
Re: Curious - what are the distinctions between England, Great Britain

Oh yeah, and another thing, Southerners are so bloody miserable! I really missed the cheery Northern attitude down there. Ask a stranger for help and mostly they look at you like shit on their shoe.
So yeah, I'm glad to be back North now. Northern pride! :D

I've had similar experiences in the South with a lot of rude and self involved people around. I was actually really surprised by it as the atmosphere was a lot more friendly in the midlands or the North, especially the love of Scots...

I've dated two Londoners (well, technically speaking one and a half) and I expected their home city to be as cheery as them. Though Glasgow was painted badly before I moved here, so it may be I've just encountered London on a bad day..
 
Re: Curious - what are the distinctions between England, Great Britain

This has given me horrible flashbacks of American tourists who assume Scotland is either an English state or still in some kind of war with them.

Yup. Not just Americans though, I've had to explain a few things to Italians and Poles about Scotland's, er, relationship with the union. Like convincing my auntie Jenny (from Rome) that she didn't need to take her passport on a day trip to Newcastle. :lol:


Slightly off topic, but I have to commend you Sci for knowing a lot more about our dinky little country than most people who live in it (me included). I knew you were something of an anglophile (read: Whovian :p) but your post was mighty impressive.
 
Re: Curious - what are the distinctions between England, Great Britain

the English also controlled the Calais region for some time, which IIRC was why we fought the frogs at Agincourt.

During the Plantagenet Angevin period, "England" ruled the western half of France from Normandy & Brittany down through Anjou and Aquitaine and down into right the way through Gascony to the Pyrenees. They also had a chunk of Ireland. I use England in quotation marks because it although that was the major seat of power, it was more of a confederacy in some ways with each region having a fair degree of autonomy (though within a single legal system).
 
If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Sign up / Register


Back
Top