SG-A – Infection (5x17) – (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS!)
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Poor...
It seems that even the writers have given up. They give us this for a 3-4th to last episode? Booring. And thats the 3rd bottle episode in a row that lent almost nothing to any on going story arc. ET...Phone it in...
See that? My string of smiles was more interesting than that episode...
It seems that even the writers have given up. They give us this for a 3-4th to last episode? Booring. And thats the 3rd bottle episode in a row that lent almost nothing to any on going story arc. ET...Phone it in...
See that? My string of smiles was more interesting than that episode...
It's more like how the Ferengi get their women to chew their food for them?
The Wraith are not sexual beings, but I'm not sure if the sentient core's of the Hive ships we've seen are (always?) started from members of their own wraith colony to ensure genetic clarity, captured waith enemies to ensure genetic diversity, or humans or other aliens because it's dogs work.
Poor...
It seems that even the writers have given up. They give us this for a 3-4th to last episode? Booring. And thats the 3rd bottle episode in a row that lent almost nothing to any on going story arc. ET...Phone it in...
See that? My string of smiles was more interesting than that episode...
They got a weapon.
Which unfortunately they can use to kill the Wraith instantly and entirely off screen.
So maybe it's not a bottle?
Sad if they go by that route.
I was really upset with how the 'heroes' discussed committing Genocide in this episode. It was bad enough when Sheppard (and of cause Ronan) wanted to blow up the hive ship at the beginning and murder the defenceless wraith on board even though they'd come seeking help. But contemplating 'getting rid of the wraith once and for all' aka genocide and the only argument against it was that it might not work? Atlantis has always had questionable ethics but this went too far.
If this was Kirk's crew or Picard's crew they would have risked their lives in a heartbeat to save the wraith and if anybody had suggested Genocide Kirk or Picard would have given a speech why it was wrong and all that.
Ok sorry for the rant but I felt frustrated after watching this and wanted to get it out of my system.
Charlie
If this was Kirk's crew or Picard's crew they would have risked their lives in a heartbeat to save the wraith and if anybody had suggested Genocide Kirk or Picard would have given a speech why it was wrong and all that.
Ok sorry for the rant but I felt frustrated after watching this and wanted to get it out of my system.
Charlie
They don't have to kill all the Wraith and they wouldn't. They would only kill those that would continue to attack them. Once peace has been reached I'm sure Atlantis would stop having to defend itself.
The remaining Wraith would be happy to co-exist with the rest of the people in the galaxy.
Well Todd has double crossed them before, someone had to bring up the idea to taking them out while they had the chance, why not they guy who is responsible for the miltary activities on the base? That said, they didn't do it, so damn that writer for suggesting something they didn't do!
This episode was sooo not interesting to me. This is the first time I've actually wanted to fall asleep during a show.
Average. You would think the freed Wraith would have attacked each other if they were hungry instead of wandering around on the chance they might find some tasty humans. Plus why didn't the kill teams use the lifesign detectors instead of just blindly searching and having the Wraith jump out and surprise them?
Does Atlantis have beaming tech installed? I don't recall them using any when one of the battle cruisers isn't around. If they don't that seems stupid that they can build it into a battle cruiser on Earth but can't whip together a system on Atlantis.
Does Atlantis have beaming tech installed? I don't recall them using any when one of the battle cruisers isn't around. If they don't that seems stupid that they can build it into a battle cruiser on Earth but can't whip together a system on Atlantis.
I'm sure they won't really but in this episode they where quite happy to suggest killing off all the wraith to get rid of them once and for all and the only objection made was that it might not work. If Picard had been there he would not only have called them up on what they where saying but he would have suggested destroying the work they had in fear of someone actually using it.
But it happened right after they saw Todd's desperate plea for help. And again the only reason why they chose to 'help' him was so they could see what went wrong with the gene therapy and get more data on it. No one actually suggested helping them for the sake of helping them and no one called Sheppeard's suggestion of murdering a group of wraith who have no way of defending themselves. Again if Picard had been there the primary mission would have been to save the wraith.
Charlie
Arent "bottle" episodes ones that use only existing sets to save money? If so, since we had all the graphics of the Wraith ship breaking in half, crashing into the water etc, I doubt this episode saved them any money.
I liked this episode. I like Todd, so seeing him again was always good, and I liked how in the end, they helped him.
My favorite part!
Ho-hum, running around a Wraith hive with guns a-blazin' again...wow, Zarek is finally showing his teeth!
Average, with above-average commericals.
About dame time, too! Nobody wants to discuss it (or maybe the writers are too unimaginative to realize that it would make a great topic for drama), but this war with the Wraith has been genocidal from the first. Or did you think the Atlanteans would leave some Wraith alive so they could go on snacking on humans? Of course the goal is genocide! The only question is whether they could pull it off.
The other option would be to alter the Wraith profoundly so that they no longer need to feed on humans. But that's just kindler, gentler genocide - like Michael's regression. And his horrified reaction to being changed into a different species against his will is exactly what I'd expect for any sentient being. For Todd to be open to the notion of having his and other Wraith's DNA so profoundly altered that they would no longer be Wraith, is a testament to his desperation. So the Atlanteans are really strong-arming desperate beings into submitting to a total alteration of their very being. I don't see how anyone could justify that morally; pragmatically, okay. But if the Wraith had any choice, why wouldn't they prefer to go on with what is natural for them? Don't they have the right to do what is natural for them?
Any way you slice it, this isn't very nice stuff. It's a kill or be killed fight to the finish. It's only this show's namby-pamby style that has confused things. Done honestly, this show should be nastier and "grittier" than BSG. After all, I still don't know why the Cylons need to commit genocide, but it's obvious why the humans in Atlantis do.
WTF?!?!
There's nothing right-wing or left-wing about fighting for your survival. That's every-wing.Maybe you could rag on the Atlanteans for putting themselves into a position where genocide is necessary when they could just leave Pegasus permanently and remove themselves from the moral dilemma. But the humans of Pegasus would still have the motive to commit genocide, simply lacking the means.
It's an interesting question whether the superior moral stance is to simply leave the natural balance in Pegasus to work itself out. Before the Atlanteans arrived, both species could survive. Is it "right" for Atlanteans to intervene on the side of humans simply because they are the same species?
And the fact that the Atlanteans woke up the Wraith prematurely doesn't factor into it. If they had simply left Pegasus right at that point, eventually the Wraith and human populations would have regained balance. It's unlikely either population would have been entirely wiped out. It's perfectly normal for predator-prey populations to go through boom and bust cycles.
Captain Kirk would be green with envy.
The Wraith are parallel to the Borg and I certainly recall some genocidal strategies against the Borg in TNG. I also recall some attempts not to be genocidal which simply result in the Borg coming back bigger & badder. So much for the kumbayah approach.
Where the parallel falls short is that the Federation can't remove themselves from the Borg threat. But the Atlanteans could just leave Pegasus anytime. For them to stay means they are okay with committing genocide. And it's always meant that. I have been trying to point this out from time to time. (Staying also means they are okay with endangering Earth's safety. What the heck is in Pegasus that is so incredibly important? Why doesn't anyone on the IOA question the underlying reasons for this mission?)
They could have come to terms with the Wraith a long time ago by not interfering with the Wraith's feeding activities. Just make a pact with the Wraith that they stay away from Atlantis and its personnel and Atlantis won't stop any cullings. It's the Atlanteans who have kept this war going by trying to stop the Wraith from doing what they need to do in order to survive. The end result of the Atlanteans' interference can only be genocide of the Wraith so of course the Wraith fight back. I would, too.
But making a pact like that would also pose a moral dilemma: they are just running around finding ZPMs while humans are slaughtered right and left and the Atlanteans just shrug? If they aren't willing to do that, then they must pursue genocide. If both options are unpalatable, they should just leave Pegasus. Those are their only three options and at some point it would have been nice to have a clarification of why they've opted for the "stay plus genocide" option. Yknow, just so we know that someone's sat down and thought it through.
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For one fleeting second I thought the writers might actually do something interesting with this concept. Am I the only one who thought that these infected Wraith bore a strinking resemblance to the "unknown aliens" we saw in the parallel universe episode. If you think about it, it pose an expalnation as to why the ship looked somewhat recognizable yet they had never seen it before. I imagine that these infected Wraith would conclude that they could no longer use organic ships so they steal either human or Asgard tech to become the new aliens.
Oh please stop this pollyanna crap!
This is a case of survival of the fittest. Its a predator/prey situation. Humans are a food source, and these beings are quite content to either feed on humans or wipe them out when they become a problem.
I guarantee you that that Kangaroo court that we saw earlier in the season would have NO problem eradicating the wraith. Furthermore, nothing in this entire series has ever suggested that the Atlanteans would have a problem with exterminating the Wraith. (remember that the Genii's initial plan was to nuke the Hiveships while the Wraith slept...and the Atlantis expedition was content to help the Genii build their nukes for that very reason) Indeed, they had ZERO problem exterminating the equally sentient replicators in THREE galaxies (It should be remembered that the Atlanteans set the Replicatiors on the Wraith specifically so that they would destroy each other and leave the humans alone). Furthermore, the SGC is responsible for the extermination of both the Ori and conjecturally the Goa'uld.
The Atlanteans have tried to be humane on several occasions...it has been a disaster everytime.
When you are in a war where you're very existance is at stake, you do what you need to do to survive. Even in Trek, I might add that Starfleet was PISSED that Picard did not eliminate the Borg when they had the chance. Picard is responsible for deaths of millions in the Delta Quadrant and all those who perished in the Borg's second assualt on Earth.
I'll also remind you that captain Janeway actually tried to get S-8472 to wipe out the Borg for her.
Stargate has never been nuanced enough to worry about things like genocide. On these shows that badguys are pure evil (even when its our fault that they turned evil...ahem...Michael/The Replicators). Villans in this universe deserve to die....that has been at the heart of this series since James Spader found the 7th symbol.
I disagree.
There is a certain political view that believes no matter WHO the bad guy is, one can talk to him. One can reason with him. One can wave around a paper signed by the bad guy declaring peaceful intents. One can sit on the lawn singing "Kumbaya" and all will be well.
That is NOT a view held by *anyone* on the Right side of the spectrum.
Do Quakers count? What about the Amish?
As Temis touched on that not completely true. Yes, he did stop the first idea about using Hugh but was fully supportive of it until Geordi questioned the tactic.
You do know that if the treatment dosen't work the Wraith have to feed off oh humans to survive don't you.
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