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Hey my first internet marriage proposal. Sure, why not.
The way to do a story about villains is to forget the WWF as a model (I certainly hope that's not what they've been using but it might help explain why the writing is so bad) is to find the specific and unique "villain" in each character so that all the characters are different and true to their own selves.
Don't knock it, wrestling still occasionally provides a genuine surprise which is more than I can say for this show.
I'm stubbornly holding out for slightly better quality storylines than the literary talents behind WWF might provide and now that Bryan Fuller really is returning to the show, I might just get that!
Below Average; I still enjoy the characters too much to ever give this show a Poor but blech, this Volume is shaping up to be an utter disaster.
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Temis, are you bipolar?
(I mean that in the nicest sense)
Last episode you rated very highly...
Excellent! This episode is what this show should be doing every week, putting characters in scenes together and having them use dialogue to actually push their character arcs forward.
...Yet this episode you rate lowly and call this volume an "utter disaster".
Yet both parts of the two-parter contained the same break-neck character inconsistencies and sudden motivational changes. Is it just that you liked the changes last episode but disliked how they changed this episode? Just curious...
I was just overjoyed to see any sort of dialogue between characters attempted, but they revoked any goodness from last week with catastrophic nonsense this week, which retroactively lowers my last week's grade to no higher than Average. Plus I've been cutting these clowns way too much slack, waiting patiently for them to get their shit together, and this was the week that I realized they don't have it in em to get their shit together.
I'm not so much bipolar as this is an example of what happens when we rate a serialized show on a week-to-week basis. I won't be able to make a real stab at an opinion until the whole thing is over. I can't really say plot twists like Peter and Nathan in the jungle or Sylar and Elle on the run are good or bad until I see where they're going with these things. I give em the benefit of the doubt until I know for certain they have no good plan in mind. I thought the dialogue last week was pushing the character arcs forward, and this week it became obvious that it did nothing of the sort.
For instance last week I liked the fact that Elle and Sylar had hooked up because they were both damaged outcasts and it made sense they'd try to rely on each other for support. This week, Sylar kills Elle. Why? No reason I can discern. They rescinded what could have been an interesting and reasonably sensible plot turn.
They also contradicted things we supposedly learned about Sylar, such as that just getting powers rather than "seeing" them is enough to quell the hunger (or are we to assume Arthur was lying when he said Sylar was primarily after power?); that he knows his future self can control the hunger and therefore his "why bother trying" attitude is incomprehensible.
Sylar not being a Petrelli doesn't wash; if Angela was lying, why did Arthur back her up in her lie? A much better strategy would be for him to claim he was Sylar's father and Virginia is his real mother. Angela is the manipulative liar and Arthur is his true father. That would cement Sylar's loyalty far better than just making him choose between parents.
For Sylar to believe Noah for one second just shows that he isn't thinking; and for him to have believed Angela or Arthur in the first place is idiotic unless his supernatural intuition was kicking in and telling him the story is true due to some awareness he has that others don't possess and that the TV audience can't directly see. He cannot possibly be so dense that he wouldn't realize that both of them have every reason to lie about being his parents. GAH!
Last week I liked the fact that Peter and Nathan were finally having it out: Peter's an annoying, clingy little pest; Nathan is a puppet of evil powerful people. Great stuff. This week they rescinded that by having Nathan praise Peter's lack of intelligent decision-making skills in staying behind to get his fool self killed, and the only reason he didn't get killed was the deus ex machina of the eclipse, so why should he get any praise? Then Nathan decides to become a naive idiot himself by raising an army of superheroes we all know will turn into a total disaster, which is possibly the worst characterization mistake of this entire season.
Last week, Claire stopped being a whiny brat long enough to get some training from dad. This week, she's back to being a whiny brat. Yeesh.
So this episode really is significantly worse than last week. Plus I might have been slightly drunk when I wrote one or both of those reviews.
Part 2 basically reset everybody back to their Season 1 status.
Yeah there's definitely the "so what the frak was the point of all that?" factor. They can weave around insanely with plot twists as long as they are going somewhere, but when they reveal they just went around in the circle, I have to put my foot down.
Wow... I love your whole "my opinion is that this show/episode sucks balls and everyone who thinks otherwise is a fucking idiot" stance. Though I disagree, I admire such audacity and imposition.
You must not know me very well.
I've been doing this since October 1999, kiddo. Not likely to ever change.
Also, I love how alot of you guys are like "That's it, I'm DONE with this show/season/series! This episode was the tipping point..." but then every week you come back to talk about the next episode hahaha
Heroes is one of those rare, wonderful shows that offer a win/win proposition - when it's good, it's fun to watch and when it's bad, it's fun to bash. Not too many of those types on TV sadly -
Star Trek used to be my favorite bashing fodder. Most bad shows are just dull-bad and I bail on them, but with
Heroes, I'm pretty sure I'm in for the duration.
And with Bryan Fuller's immanent return, I don't think now is the time for anyone to be bailing. This show might just be in for an amazing improvement.
Someone said earlier in this thread about Peter not getting his powers back.
Don't forget, he does get some of the power back eventually, due to his future self being able to time travel.
Future Peter probably never met Arthur. In that timeline, maybe Arthur stayed dead?
I'll catch up to it through other means eventually, but in the meantime I've had a look round this thread, because spoilers for this show honestly don't bother me that much any more.
