Crazy theory about Nero (spoilers)

[Jimmy_C]

I was thinking. At the beginning of the movie, Nero goes back in time and attacks Earth, but Kirk's dad saves the day. However, why would Nero then go forward in time and attack Vulcan instead? Why not go back in time again and attack earth again?

Well, what if Nero first (from his point of view) went back in time to attack Vulcan? Kirk stopped him, so Nero went further back in time to attack Earth and kill Kirk. Nero's ship was damaged from the battle at Vulcan, which gave Kirk's dad and the Kelvin the chance to kill Nero once and for all.

So Nero experiences events in the opposite order as Kirk does. At least that's my crazy theory about the movie.

 

[scotthm]

My theory is that we'll have to wait and see.

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[Jimmy_C]

My theory is that we'll have to wait and see.

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Ya, but it is fun speculating what's going to happen until the movie comes out!

 

[scotthm]

My theory is that we'll have to wait and see.

Ya, but it is fun speculating what's going to happen until the movie comes out!

I'm not so sure. I may be very disappointed with the movie if I compare it to my imagination of what might happen. Better to not think about it too much and (hopefully) enjoy the surprise.

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[DaveyNY]

My theory is that we'll have to wait and see.

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Ya, but it is fun speculating what's going to happen until the movie comes out!

I agree Jim... It is fun to speculate.

Your's is an interesting theory, BTW.

I'm not so sure that Nero actually attacks Earth though, rumor has it that He's actually looking for Kirk's parent's to kill.

After apparently failing to change thing's significantly with that action, he tries again by trying to destroy Vulcan.

Least that's one rumor.

 

[scotthm]

I agree Jim... It is fun to speculate.

I'm not so sure that Nero actually attacks Earth though, rumor has it that He's actually looking for Kirk's parent's to kill.

If I were a Romulan villian I'd do things up right and travel far enough back in time that there wouldn't be any opposition at all to my plans. Destroying Earth sometime before the 20th century, for example, would ensure getting rid of Kirk (for whatever reason that may seem desirable.)

After apparently failing to change thing's significantly with that action, he tries again by trying to destroy Vulcan.

And of course goes back in time just far enough to ensure that the Federation has the ability to thwart his plans. Smart. Very smart.

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[Lyon_Wonder]

Nero wouldn't need to destroy Earth if he succeeded in killing kirk. V'ger or the space whale probe would take care of that.

 

[DaveyNY]

I agree Jim... It is fun to speculate.

I'm not so sure that Nero actually attacks Earth though, rumor has it that He's actually looking for Kirk's parent's to kill.

If I were a Romulan villian I'd do things up right and travel far enough back in time that there wouldn't be any opposition at all to my plans. Destroying Earth sometime before the 20th century, for example, would ensure getting rid of Kirk (for whatever reason that may seem desirable.)

After apparently failing to change thing's significantly with that action, he tries again by trying to destroy Vulcan.

And of course goes back in time just far enough to ensure that the Federation has the ability to thwart his plans. Smart. Very smart.

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Actually....maybe he's figured out that if he makes TOO BIG A CHANGE, it'll screw him up too?

 

[All Seeing Eye]

I was thinking. At the beginning of the movie, Nero goes back in time and attacks Earth, but Kirk's dad saves the day. However, why would Nero then go forward in time and attack Vulcan instead? Why not go back in time again and attack earth again?

Well, what if Nero first (from his point of view) went back in time to attack Vulcan? Kirk stopped him, so Nero went further back in time to attack Earth and kill Kirk. Nero's ship was damaged from the battle at Vulcan, which gave Kirk's dad and the Kelvin the chance to kill Nero once and for all.

So Nero experiences events in the opposite order as Kirk does. At least that's my crazy theory about the movie.

because that would create one of the biggest time paradox's to ever have been written throughout the whole history of sci fi. That's absolutely bonkers. If Nero went back and killed Daddy Kirk then Daddy Kirk wouldn't win the battle and Nero would not have any reason to go back in time and thus Daddy Kirk wouldn't get killed.
The whole fabric of the space time continuum would implode. I'm surprised it hasn't imploded just from the mere act of reading your post.

 

[FabiusMaximus]

I was thinking. At the beginning of the movie, Nero goes back in time and attacks Earth, but Kirk's dad saves the day. However, why would Nero then go forward in time and attack Vulcan instead? Why not go back in time again and attack earth again?

Well, what if Nero first (from his point of view) went back in time to attack Vulcan? Kirk stopped him, so Nero went further back in time to attack Earth and kill Kirk. Nero's ship was damaged from the battle at Vulcan, which gave Kirk's dad and the Kelvin the chance to kill Nero once and for all.

So Nero experiences events in the opposite order as Kirk does. At least that's my crazy theory about the movie.

I don't think Nero's arrival in the past has intent. I believe that as part of his escape from the Klingons in the future he just ends up causing the time shift. He then seizes the opportunity to do away with those elements he felt stood in the way of the Romulans (Kirk, Spock, Vulcan, etc.).

 

[ClayHefner]

Your theory is great.

Maybe Nero's dudes are some kind of terrorists, who hijack the Space Octopus at the beginning (experimental Vulcan-Romulan Alliance timeship?) with Spock on board.
Maybe he can escape at some point and saves young Kirk or his pregnant mum from the Kelvin.

It's a good question why they would go to the TOS or Kelvin eras to destroy Vulcan. But since they probably wanna stay there, they could be be heroes on Romulus for killing off a potential enemy and could influence the empire when it was in the early phases of its expansion (or something). little bit like what Arne Darvin was planning in "Troubles and Tribble-ations".

 

[scotthm]

Actually....maybe he's figured out that if he makes TOO BIG A CHANGE, it'll screw him up too?

So your theory is that if Nero travels just far enough back in time to be stoppable he'll make the 'correct' amount of change, but if he travels far enough back to be unstoppable that he'll make too much of a change? Sounds to me like time travel is way overrated then.

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[Basil]

Why doesn't he just keep going back till he gets it right? Or why not just go back and kill one of Kirk's ancestors when he's picking nits and battling Huns? Or coming out of the bathroom, like Vincent Vega in Pulp Fiction? Or grocery shopping, in the cereal aisle when he's comparing boxes for the best prize? I think time travel stories are inherently stupid, but there's a vast number of equally stupid ways to approach them.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

^
^^ because people in TV or movies hardly ever revise a plan to try it again until they get it right.

Why didn't the Borg go back in time again in First Contact and find a better way to prevent Cochrane from making his flight? ...and again, and again...until they succeed.

Yes -- time travel stories are iherently "stupid" and not logical....but I do find them entertaining.

 

[Jimmy_C]

I was thinking. At the beginning of the movie, Nero goes back in time and attacks Earth, but Kirk's dad saves the day. However, why would Nero then go forward in time and attack Vulcan instead? Why not go back in time again and attack earth again?

Well, what if Nero first (from his point of view) went back in time to attack Vulcan? Kirk stopped him, so Nero went further back in time to attack Earth and kill Kirk. Nero's ship was damaged from the battle at Vulcan, which gave Kirk's dad and the Kelvin the chance to kill Nero once and for all.

So Nero experiences events in the opposite order as Kirk does. At least that's my crazy theory about the movie.

because that would create one of the biggest time paradox's to ever have been written throughout the whole history of sci fi. That's absolutely bonkers. If Nero went back and killed Daddy Kirk then Daddy Kirk wouldn't win the battle and Nero would not have any reason to go back in time and thus Daddy Kirk wouldn't get killed.
The whole fabric of the space time continuum would implode. I'm surprised it hasn't imploded just from the mere act of reading your post.

According to Trek's use of time-travel throughout the show, of course.... I think it is apparent in Star Trek that you can't rewrite one's own personal history by going back in time. Otherwise no time-travel episode would make sense in the history of the show. You don't "fade away" like in BTTF. The only time that happened was in Year of Hell, and that's because the weapon caused the object to be erased from history, so the shooter wasn't actually going back in time himself.

 

[beneldon]

Why doesn't he just keep going back till he gets it right?

The Blinovich Limitation Effect...

Did you hear the tragic story of the guy who built a time machine and tested it by setting it for one second ago?
for one second ago? for one second ago?for one second ago?for one second ago?one second ago?second ago?ago??? .

 

[Siwilliams]

his weapon thingy is like the Viceroy's in Star Trek - Nemesis but also like one of the weapons of the Predator's, seen in Alien VS Predator (2004)

 

[gastrof]

My theory is that we'll have to wait and see.

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I feel you're rushing into things, and shouldn't be forming opinions regarding opinions this early on.

Wait until after the movie opens and you've seen it a few times before deciding when we should form opinions.

That's my opinion, but I'm entitled because I'm not forming any yet.

 

[gastrof]

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^^ because people in TV or movies hardly ever revise a plan to try it again until they get it right.

Why didn't the Borg go back in time again in First Contact and find a better way to prevent Cochrane from making his flight? ...and again, and again...until they succeed...

Umm...

Because the only Borg left alive were the ones on the sphere, and the sphere itself got destroyed once Enterprise arrived, and from that only a few survied, somehow getting onto the Enterprise, only to then be defeated?

A scant few more seemed to have made it, but were left in hibernation for years on Earth, frozen after landing in the arctic. Later they were revived (on ENTERPRISE), but if I'm remembering correctly even they got destroyed.

 

[xortex]

So time travel may indeed change some things but may also change everything else in possibly far worse ways and therefore may not be worth it. That was a voyager episode so it can't be that.