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Question about Warpath and Worlds of DS9 novels *SPOILERS*

Something occurred to me recently.

Illiana's thing, as per Fragments & Omens, is that if the wormhole can open in the Alpha and Gamma Quadrants, it can be made to open in other places too, and that the Sirah's Orb fragment can be used to that effect. I finally realized that we already have confirmed evidence that she's right.

The big climax of Unity came when Kira opened all the Orb boxes at once. The combined power of all the Orbs effectively created an opening into the wormhole, through which the Parasite matriarch was sent away and The Sisko returned.

Cool.
 
What the deuce? Wow...I totally missed that! You're right! (And then, the Parasite Matriarch got blasted by the Jem'Hadar the Prophets cast elsewhere...at least, that's what I got from the whole exchange)

So imagine my surprise when I saw some of the things I saw in Night Of The Wolves.....oooh, it was great to see, and total literary candy IMO....wait for the review. But do read Terok Nor...you'll find your love of these post-finale stories increase so much more.
 
lvsxy808 said:
Something occurred to me recently.

Illiana's thing, as per Fragments & Omens, is that if the wormhole can open in the Alpha and Gamma Quadrants, it can be made to open in other places too, and that the Sirah's Orb fragment can be used to that effect. I finally realized that we already have confirmed evidence that she's right.

The big climax of Unity came when Kira opened all the Orb boxes at once. The combined power of all the Orbs effectively created an opening into the wormhole, through which the Parasite matriarch was sent away and The Sisko returned.

Cool.
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JeremyW said:
What the deuce? Wow...I totally missed that! You're right! (And then, the Parasite Matriarch got blasted by the Jem'Hadar the Prophets cast elsewhere...at least, that's what I got from the whole exchange)
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Really? Thats not what I thought Kira did... I just thought it was something to do with Sisko... I shall reread it! But thats neat! And I loved the Parasite being owned by the Jem'Hadar... I'm not sure if the soldiers from all 2800 ships were there, or just one unite... cool nevertheless.

Despite putting "Warpath" in a search, I haven't found an official thread for it yet- but I was wondering on that note- If Taran'atar had been on DS9 8 months (I had thought nine, but I think I was wrong) and for some reason I think what was done to him started 3 months before? Is that right? So he must've been affected during the events of Unity? Not that Odo would have noticed, his turn was probably aided by the "low" after the "rush" of Odo being around for a while. It seems like Taran'atar was set to go into action at a given time, and maybe had to be cracked into doing it beforehand- thus the increased icyness. I'd wish people had spent more time with him, esp. Kira, but listening to Vaughn in"Warpath," it sounds like maybe they did...
 
In my view (which may or may not be supported by the text), Taran'atar started going downhill once Odo refused to allow him to go with him back to the Dominion. Though he'd been honestly trying to make it work up that point, after that point he basically just gave up and started cutting himself off from other people on the station, inadvertently providing the perfect cover for Iliana to start getting under his skin.
 
True... but that was related to his need for sleep which bothered him a lot because he couldn't always be aware of his surroundings. I guess thats not so much a 'but' as an 'in addition...'

But he shouldn't technically have cracked like that- he should have just said- Founder said it would help me understand these people (whom I find weak) but I will unto death obey. But how we see into his thoughts in Warpath is fascinating... like he wasn't in control at all- but on some levels he is... which makes me curious about *when* Iliana started manipulating him... I'm not sure if we don't know, or if we do and I missed it... 3 months is stuck in my head- I kinda think thats part of the reason he went to visit the Female Founder- on a subconscious level, he seems to know that something is wrong- he just feels that something is the anger over sleep. I also wonder if his dreams are Iliana's fault. Maybe?
 
Absolutely he knew something was wrong. Perhaps he had difficulty admitting it openly, even to himself, because of his pride as an Honoured Elder, and an unwillingness to look weak in front of his Founder. That's why he initially cloaked it in terms of him trying to provide service to her - as Jem'Hadar are supposed to - because he had such difficulty with the concept of asking for help for himself.

Yeah, I'm not sure at what point Iliana started affecting him, either. Did it overlap with Unity or not? Hmmm. I also kinda don't think we'll get that answer now, because I feel like we've got all the backstory we'll get and The Soul Key will barrel ahead to the conclusion.

As to the sleep issue, I'm not clear on whether it was a function of his Jem'Hadar physiology reverting to pre-Founder-modification conditions, like Bashir believes, or a function of the brain-wave-frelling Iliana was giving him. Perhaps it was both, twisting together. Perhaps it's not supposed to be clear. It certainly isn't to Taran'atar himself.

Is there even a pre-Founder-modification Jem'Hadar physiology? I think it's a sign of Bashir's arrogance that he simply assumes there must be, but he's basing that off no facts at all.
 
I'd been thinking that Illiana started messing with Taran'atar's head between Unity, and Olympus Descending. There are about 3 months in the gap, so there is plenty of time for it to have happened. According to the back of WODS9 bk3 Bajor joined the Federation on September 29, and Taran'atar went to vist the Founder on December 16, so it's not exactly 3 months but it's pretty close.
 
Well, obviously it has to be before Olympus Descending, and before Fragments and Omens too. But there's less than a month between Unity and F&A. So she must have started pretty damn quick after Unity, if not before.
 
I think I may be messing up the timeframe for you guys, I keep thinking its been less than or 8 months, but according to OD its been at least 9- I reread part of OD last night...

I'm leaning towards the dreams being mostly IG's fault, given that they're close to what happens in real life involving Kira. I think he thought maybe on a subconscious level that if he was in the GQ, then whatever was preprogrammed in him would be averted?

I know he feels "useless" in the AQ because he isn't usually a soldier, but still had curiosity and was still honing his skills. Plus- did anyone notice in ds9 One Small Ship or whatever its called that the Jem'Hadar's mission to take the Defiant was his "last?" I'm not sure what that entails, but it stands to reason Taran'atar wasn't just a regular first anyway, perhaps, and his combat duties would be different. Its only after IG starts messing with him that he decides he needs to get out of there... He was quite openly anti-vorta, after all... :evil:

I'd like to get a better look at all that stuff Nog found in his computer... its so hard waiting for SK!!

I feel a bit "helpless" when it comes to understanding Taran'atar cuz there always seems to be so much contradiction at times... :confused:
 
I have a stupid question, but what is F&A?

I finally got a sec to check Fearful Symmetry- which is maybe a week after Warpath (was my impression from how long DS9 had their prisoner)- and I Dax says Taran'atar was being messed around with for 3 months.

So I found my source (finally!)... and that was in December. So that means that in late September, early October- the problems started- so Odo was there- or he left soon after... I keep forgetting that Unity and OD were so close! So JD and lvsxy808 retained it better than me...

It just seems so odd to me that Taran'atar thinks he has free will, and is in so much control, while at the same time he isn't in control at all... and also knows that. It makes me wonder, for all the intelligence of the Jem'Hadar, how much of that is programmed... like humans do things: breathe, blink etc. that requires our brain- but not conscious thought. It seems like an astonishing amount of what Jem'Hadar do is like that. But that may be the point- to doubt Taran'atar's guilt/innocence etc. I'm just not sure what to think of him atm...
 
Sneaky...

I keep forgetting that... and theres one in... Unity I think? One of them has a major one... I think David was involved. It helped a lot... stupid linear time!!!

I have to admit, I'm enjoying Wounds and Destiny while I wait... but I'm hoping that Soul Key will be about 4000 pages long... :p

Despite the obvious success, does anyone else find whats been done to Taran'atar a little weird? I know that the means was there... but for all our bi-personality enemy was trying to accomplish, she went a little over-board, didn't she? I'm a little curious as to how much use Taran'atar is to her anyway, realistically. (No offense to him, of course).
 
:techman:

I'm enjoying my foray into SCE, and the DS9 connection is helping my "withdrawl" to. ;) :lol:

Thats something- who else has read that? Its set before Warpath... :)
 
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