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SJA 2X09/10: The Temptation of Sarah Jane Smith

Sci said:
Flibble said:
It was a good story, but I just have one niggle with it. Sarah Jane's parents were, and I don't mean to be petty here....quite common by the way they spoke. I always imagined her to come from a slightly more "upmarket" family.
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I'm sorry, I'm barging into a thread about an episode I haven't seen of a series I don't watch.

BUT....

What on Earth does that mean? How can you be "common" just because of your speech pattern? How does your accent make you better or worse than someone else?
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If you hear a someone talking like a redneck don't you assume they're a redneck?
Not that I'm agreeing with judging people on their accent.
 
Bob The Skutter said:
Sci said:
Flibble said:
It was a good story, but I just have one niggle with it. Sarah Jane's parents were, and I don't mean to be petty here....quite common by the way they spoke. I always imagined her to come from a slightly more "upmarket" family.
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I'm sorry, I'm barging into a thread about an episode I haven't seen of a series I don't watch.

BUT....

What on Earth does that mean? How can you be "common" just because of your speech pattern? How does your accent make you better or worse than someone else?
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If you hear a someone talking like a redneck don't you assume they're a redneck?
Not that I'm agreeing with judging people on their accent.
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I'm not going to lie and pretend that that's not my first impulse, but I try to remember that being or not being a redneck is more a matter of behavior than of accent. I've met very intelligent people with strong Southern accents, and I've met absolute morons who speak with a clear Midwestern accent.

And I certainly don't fool myself into thinking that the differences in British accents matter one lick.
 
Sci said:
Bob The Skutter said:
Sci said:
I'm sorry, I'm barging into a thread about an episode I haven't seen of a series I don't watch.

BUT....

What on Earth does that mean? How can you be "common" just because of your speech pattern? How does your accent make you better or worse than someone else?
Click to expand...
If you hear a someone talking like a redneck don't you assume they're a redneck?
Not that I'm agreeing with judging people on their accent.
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I'm not going to lie and pretend that that's not my first impulse, but I try to remember that being or not being a redneck is more a matter of behavior than of accent. I've met very intelligent people with strong Southern accents, and I've met absolute morons who speak with a clear Midwestern accent.

And I certainly don't fool myself into thinking that the differences in British accents matter one lick.
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Like I said, I wasn't agreeing with judging people on their accents, but the thing to remember is until not too long ago there was a very rigid class structure in Britain, and people would be judged on their accent, even in the 50s.
 
Exactly, England in the 50s... Private school accents, the upper One percent all sounded the same and were all in line for the throne. If you walked into one of those schools with a common accent, it would have been beaten out of you by the time you were 6. It wasn't a money thing, the neuvo riche were frowned upon as a necessity but it was a question of who your family was and what they were doing when magna carter was signed.


Althings being equal, Elizabeth Sladen sounds like the queen and her mum and dad sound like pikes.

Besides, it's kinda how Cassandra described Rose, or Kryton's explanation for why Chachansnski liked Dave Lister: "She likes it a bit rough."

I noticed that Rani, her mum and dad all have wildly different regional accents, it's quite preposterous to think they have been living together for the last 15 years and their separate speech patterns are all so isolated from one aother.
 
Guy Gardener said:
I noticed that Rani, her mum and dad all have wildly different regional accents, it's quite preposterous to think they have been living together for the last 15 years and their separate speech patterns are all so isolated from one aother.
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isnt it more to do with where you are young, im not a good example of this as me & my parents have always lived in the Midlands, but if now I am old and my accent isnt going to change I meet a girl, and moved up north to say Newcastle (when is the Angel of the North going to appear on Doctor Who ? ) and my good lady wife pops out a couple of kids (one called Rose & one called Doctor) my kids being bought up around lots of people with Geordie accents, would probaly speak with Geordie accents, where as I would still sound the same, some Geordie words might enter my vocabulary but my accent would not change.
 
wamdue said:
Guy Gardener said:
I noticed that Rani, her mum and dad all have wildly different regional accents, it's quite preposterous to think they have been living together for the last 15 years and their separate speech patterns are all so isolated from one aother.
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isnt it more to do with where you are young, im not a good example of this as me & my parents have always lived in the Midlands, but if now I am old and my accent isnt going to change I meet a girl, and moved up north to say Newcastle (when is the Angel of the North going to appear on Doctor Who ? ) and my good lady wife pops out a couple of kids (one called Rose & one called Doctor) my kids being bought up around lots of people with Geordie accents, would probaly speak with Geordie accents, where as I would still sound the same, some Geordie words might enter my vocabulary but my accent would not change.
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Accents can change very easily. Some peoples are so easy to change that just hanging around with a couple of friends with a different accent can effect theirs, others don't or take years to change. I know someone who moved to Newcastle and when she moved back less than a year later she already had picked up a lot of Geordie speech patterns. Then within a few months it had nearly all gone, with just the occasional slip.
 
wamdue said:
^ I thought they were set once you were an adult
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The person I was talking about was about 18 when she moved, but I also have a cousin who moved to Leeds in her 20s, she had a broad Leeds accent, then it changed back to a Hull accent when she moved back.

Some people just pick accents up really easy, others don't.
 
wamdue said:
Guy Gardener said:
Unfortunately, no one knows what an "adult" is.
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well ive spelt it right, I put it in goggle to check
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I was watching The Beserker episode with my boy today and I laughed when Clydes Mum tries to befriend Sarah Jane in a sort of Mums United Solidarity Front (Life of Brian Flashback, be right with you after I finish chanting.) and I laughed because why would Sarah Jane want to pal around with one of her friends parents? That's just wierd! Almost gross. Well Elaine on Seinfeld thought at least.

Stephen Fry once said that there are no such things as Adults. Just children who owe money.
 
to be fair adults as kids see them don't really exist, adults are just people who have to put childish impulses aside and live more mature lives
 
Sci said:
Flibble said:
It was a good story, but I just have one niggle with it. Sarah Jane's parents were, and I don't mean to be petty here....quite common by the way they spoke. I always imagined her to come from a slightly more "upmarket" family.
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What on Earth does that mean? How can you be "common" just because of your speech pattern? How does your accent make you better or worse than someone else?
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Much like the United States is race-conscious, the UK is class-conscious. One's accent can be taken as a signifier of social and class standing; the more posh the accent, the higher the social rank.
 
so, Sarah-Jane's parents' deaths were a pre-destination paradox? wow.

i love how this one and the Trickster one last season have given kids an introduction to some really hard SF concepts in a fluffy SF story.

not to say these are fluff, but, you know...

loved it. i'd've voted excellent if there'd been a poll...:klingon:
 
Wasn't this week's episode
the one with the Brigadier in it?

Or is that next week? :confused:
 
^I believe that was this week's episode on CBBC. It will be on BBC 1 next week. It's a 2 parter, I think.
 
It wasn't on CBBC this week though to my knowledge. Last year CBBC didn't show the first part of the finale a week early either, so they could show parts 1 and 2 back to back.

Frankly for an episode with the return of Wormwood, Kaagh and the Brig, it should just be one 50 minute episode anyway.
 
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