I dunno, I liked Tech coach Mike Leach's suggestion for the tiebreaker even better: graduation rate!
Heyyy..... this guy really is a mad genius! I like that suggestion.
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Heyyy..... this guy really is a mad genius! I like that suggestion.
Well, it seems that it is categorically impossible for CUSA, WAC, Sun Belt, Mountain West, or the Mid-American Conference to produce a National Champion.
If that's true, why are they even playing at this level? Why not have another division for these schools, so great teams like Utah or Boise St have a chance for a title. Imagine this top 5:
1. Boise St 12-0
2. Utah 12-0
3. Ball St 12-0
4. Texas Christian 10-2
5. Brigham Young 10-2
Let them have a playoff like the other divisions, or play in bowls like they do now, but rank them separately from the major conferences. Let the top two play in their own National Title game on New Years'.
If that's true, why are they even playing at this level? Why not have another division for these schools, so great teams like Utah or Boise St have a chance for a title. Imagine this top 5:
1. Boise St 12-0
2. Utah 12-0
3. Ball St 12-0
4. Texas Christian 10-2
5. Brigham Young 10-2
Let them have a playoff like the other divisions, or play in bowls like they do now, but rank them separately from the major conferences. Let the top two play in their own National Title game on New Years'.
It means something ... but not as much as the pussified out-of-conference schedule Texas played. Florida Atlantic? Texas-El Paso? Rice? Arkansas? Gimme a break.
While two of OU's non-conference opponents (Chattanooga and Washington) were admittedly palookas, the Sooners threw down with Big East champion Cincinnati and 10-2 Texas Christian, as well, handing both half their losses this year—in convincing fashion.
That outweighs Texas' somewhat sketchy resume.
Think perhaps your hatred of Oklahoma is affecting your judgment, Commander Vaughn?
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You may be amused to learn that representatives of Boise State and Ball State are attempting to arrange for their schools to meet in a bowl game. They've by no means finalized it, but ... I'd rather see that than, say, Cincinnati-Boston College.
Uh huh ..... you're never guilty of anything similar, are you?
Oklahoma was who I would pick for the Big 12 championship, but it was really by the slimmest of margins which I think I've already mentioned. If there is any enmity to be had, it needs to be directed to the Big 12 itself because of their somewhat goofy tie-breaking scenario. I don't believe any other BCS conference has the same setup, and reportedly the Big 12 is considering tweaking their formula in the off-season. By any other conference's criteria, Texas would go to the championship game. And don't forget that had Baylor pulled the upset, this whole discussion wouldn't even be taking place.
Uh huh ..... you're never guilty of anything similar, are you?
My purported and totally unproven guilt doesn't mitigate anyone else's, Scooter.
Oh, and ... Rutgers is number one! Number one, I tell you! They could beat any of these teams!
Whatever you say, Sparky.My purported and totally unproven guilt doesn't mitigate anyone else's, Scooter.
Oh, and ... Rutgers is number one! Number one, I tell you! They could beat any of these teams!
Actually, with the way the Knights have looked the last half of the season, I bet that Rutgers could hang in there with them pretty well for awhile, at least until the depth became mroe of a factor.
Have you seen tie-break #7
Congrats to the OU Sooners!
They should be in the BCS championship game.
FLORIDA v OKLAHOMA in the BCS Championship game
I'm a UGA alum. Go Dawgs! We have an awesome offense and horrible defense and will probably be playing Michigan State in the Capital One Bowl. We've gone preseason #1 to 9-3. Very disappointing season.
I would have voted for Texas to play in the championship of the Big 12. They won head to head. The Big 12 will adopt the SEC rules next year which will allow this.
I would have voted for Texas to play in the championship of the Big 12. They won head to head. The Big 12 will adopt the SEC rules next year which will allow this.
I'm no big fan of OU, but Texas didn't get screwed when you put all the numbers into the computer without human bias. You're all forgetting something--it wasn't a two way tie for the Big 12 South. It was a three way tie. That's what screwed it all up. Were it just Texas and Oklahoma, head to head match up decides, but it was Oklahoma, Texas, and Texas Tech. Texas Tech which beat Texas, but lost to Oklahoma. Texas Tech which is also 11-1.
When there are three teams with the same record, it can't just be head to head that's considered. Non conference victories have to be considered, as well as strength of schedule (and strength of schedule of your opponents) and number of wins against quality teams on the road. Texas' non conference schedule is very weak, and they have no road wins against quality opponents. Oklahoma beat a very good, ranked Oklahoma State team on the road. Texas, unfortunately, had A&M on the road and Oklahoma State at home. Those are the breaks. If Texas hadn't dropped that potential interception at the end of the Tech game, none of it would have mattered. Two way tie--Texas has the tie breaker. But it was a three way tie. OU wins.
And Texas Tech beat Texas. Texas Tech which lost to Oklahoma. Round and round we go.
When there are three teams with the same record, it can't just be head to head that's considered. Non conference victories have to be considered, as well as strength of schedule (and strength of schedule of your opponents) and number of wins against quality teams on the road. Texas' non conference schedule is very weak, and they have no road wins against quality opponents. Oklahoma beat a very good, ranked Oklahoma State team on the road. Texas, unfortunately, had A&M on the road and Oklahoma State at home. Those are the breaks. If Texas hadn't dropped that potential interception at the end of the Tech game, none of it would have mattered. Two way tie--Texas has the tie breaker. But it was a three way tie. OU wins.
And Texas Tech beat Texas. Texas Tech which lost to Oklahoma. Round and round we go.
But how do you evaluate head to head when there's an even three way tie?
Bingo! That's how the SEC does it. I bet you the moon Mack Brown lobbies for the Big 12 to change to these rules next year and it gets approved. I personally think Oklahoma is the better of the 2 teams, but I just can't see how you can't pick Texas for the head to head, the most important factor IMO.
you throw out the head you don't like
You may have something there, Tighseye.
It's not like I can't understand Texas feeling slighted, but if they'd gotten the job done against Tech they would be in the championship game now. Them's the breaks. Three way tie, that's how it's done.
It's not like I can't understand Texas feeling slighted, but if they'd gotten the job done against Tech they would be in the championship game now. Them's the breaks. Three way tie, that's how it's done.
One could say the same thing about Oklahoma or Tech. Again though, that's only the case by the Big 12's current procedures - which will in all likelihood be changed for next season - not by any other BCS procedures. It doesn't change the here and now, and you're exactly right in that win the game against TT and this is all moot. But it does highlight how subjective and hair's breadth thin this distinction is.
It goes everyway for "if they had gotten the job done"You may have something there, Tighseye.
It's not like I can't understand Texas feeling slighted, but if they'd gotten the job done against Tech they would be in the championship game now. Them's the breaks. Three way tie, that's how it's done.
All THREE of these teams were 1-1 against the others and that's what the UT people are failing to acknowledge with their bitching.
If Tech had gone into Norman and won, then Tech would likely be the #1 team in the nation and we wouldn't be having this conversation.
But OU dismantled them. Frankly, OU could have kept running up the score from what I saw, but they chose to show some mercy on Tech.
At the end of the day OU beat more ranked teams than UT... And we have seen time and again (and even in this discussion) that in college football, it's all about what have you done for me lately
And lately, OU dismantled the #2 team in the nation and then went on the road and went toe to toe with another great team OSU, finally giving the knock out blow that they needed at the end.
(I would like to point out that OSU's three losses came to UT, Tech, and OU and very likely is better than most of the 2 loss schools out there. They beat the #2 team in the nation and lost to UT by 4)
Word is that OSU will be playing Oregon in the Holiday bowl. They're going to pound that poor unsuspecting Pac 10 team into the dust, I suspect.
