Official Trailer Review & Comments Thread!! [Spoilers, of course]

[xan82]

You repeatedly seem to be proving what I have written to be perfectly correct and true to my observations.

It is indeed petty.

Rise above it.

 

[M'Sharak]

You repeatedly seem to be proving what I have written to be perfectly correct and true to my observations.

It is indeed petty.

Rise above it.

I said we're done with that now. Please drop it. Or rise above it. Your choice.

 

[xan82]

Sometimes the mind boggles.
I suppose any kind of positive feedback from 45 mins of creative writing from a forum such as this would be a miracle!

I shan't bother with my input in the future in this thread, and instead just watch others argue their points out like children.

 

[number6]

Sometimes the mind boggles.
I suppose any kind of positive feedback from 45 mins of creative writing from a forum such as this would be a miracle!

I shan't bother with my input in the future in this thread, and instead just watch others argue their points out like children.

Absolutely. That's what makes this forum so entertaining!!

 

[ancient]

Sometimes the mind boggles.
I suppose any kind of positive feedback from 45 mins of creative writing from a forum such as this would be a miracle!

I shan't bother with my input in the future in this thread, and instead just watch others argue their points out like children.

Absolutely. That's what makes this forum so entertaining!!

Stop being such a doody head.

Now if you'll excuse me, I must go eat some wine, drink some cheese, and read a movie. Star Trek is serious business.

 

[M'Sharak]

Sometimes the mind boggles.
I suppose any kind of positive feedback from 45 mins of creative writing from a forum such as this would be a miracle!

Well, to be fair, this is a discussion forum, rather than a creative writing forum (and yes, the "1000 words.." in your post heading also helped in giving the impression that it was conceived originally as a writing assignment) and what you post is not guaranteed feedback. People respond if they see something which makes them want to respond and, unfortunately, the response you got was not the one you were seeking. That happens, and happens quite frequently. It still might be valuable as feedback, however, if you stop taking personal offense and look at what stood out for those reading it. Criticism and praise are not the same thing, but it is possible to benefit from input which is not praise.

I shan't bother with my input in the future in this thread, and instead just watch others argue their points out like children.

That will be up to you, of course, but carrying on the condescending tone evident here (as well as in places in your original essay) is probably not going to fly well anywhere.

Just my impression, though. YMMV.

 

[xan82]

Sometimes the mind boggles.
I suppose any kind of positive feedback from 45 mins of creative writing from a forum such as this would be a miracle!

Well, to be fair, this is a discussion forum, rather than a creative writing forum (and yes, the "1000 words.." in your post heading also helped in giving the impression that it was conceived originally as a writing assignment) and what you post is not guaranteed feedback. People respond if they see something which makes them want to respond and, unfortunately, the response you got was not the one you were seeking. That happens, and happens quite frequently. It still might be valuable as feedback, however, if you stop taking personal offense and look at what stood out for those reading it. Criticism and praise are not the same thing, but it is possible to benefit from input which is not praise.

I shan't bother with my input in the future in this thread, and instead just watch others argue their points out like children.

That will be up to you, of course, but carrying on the condescending tone evident here (as well as in places in your original essay) is probably not going to fly well anywhere.

Just my impression, though. YMMV.

The only reply I seem to have had is aggression, and "JR, not GR"

Doesn't seem like a discussion forum to me, rather a place for cyber bullying.

 

[number6]

Doesn't seem like a discussion forum to me, rather a place for cyber bullying.

QFT.

 

[Australis]

xan82: don't hassle the guy in green - they have powers far beyond those of mortal men.

As for your post, I'm used to both sides playing the condescending card, so I've finally built up some armour to it. As I said elsewhere, I'd rather wait with hope than despair.

 

[Psion]

The only reply I seem to have had is aggression, and "JR, not GR"

Doesn't seem like a discussion forum to me, rather a place for cyber bullying.

Xan, unless you're spoiling for a fight, then you'd be well advised to not throw the first punch. You belittled a bunch of people here quite deliberately and chose to duck behind your mother's skirt when called on it. Were it not for the condescending tone of your '1000 word' post, I'd have simply left the Gene/Jean flop to a minor note. Or simply allowed someone else the kill.

You don't have bad points, but you do have bad manners to compare the concerns of people troubled over details you don't find important to pettiness. Not only is it bad manners, but it's a cheap rhetorical trick intended to disenfranchise those with opinions different from yours of their right to contradict you. I challenged you and you just couldn't resist poking me with that same stick ... even after a moderator told you to quit. Even after I extended a hand in compromise. And then you have the unmitigated gaul to refer to me as a cyber-bully -- when you started with the insults? Shame on you.

Once more, I'll offer you an olive branch if you're able to respond without insults or condescending tone. I'll drop the pedantry if you avoid calling folks petty. Deal?

The bulk of your original post advanced the notion that this movie will revitalize the franchise. And while I think that's an optimistic notion, it's certainly the one intended by both Abrams and Paramount Studios. If it does, there's a good reason for fans of the original show to worry that the cornerstones of the show they enjoyed may be wiped away in favor of fast editing and more explosions. The whole "more like Star Wars" motif Abrams scared a few fans with some time ago.

If this movie fails to revitalize the franchise, that will almost certainly be because it gets blown away at the box office. Make no mistake, the franchise will be seriously wounded if this movie doesn't do well. It'll be worse off than when NBC cancelled TOS back in 1969.

So for people who see bad choices in set design, or a lack of attention to Trek lore and history in other details, this film isn't as exciting as it is for you. I'm on the fence ... but I started out VERY excited. Recent revellations are pushing me closer to doubters, but I'm hoping the story -- the element missing from the trailers we've seen so far -- redeems design inconsistencies (or perhaps explains them). Honestly, if this movie is fun, exciting, and smart, I'll happily set aside my objections to building the Enterprise on the ground. But a lot of what I've seen so far suggests this may be less than the film Star Trek fans have been waiting for. And there are a few details out there that have me thinking the average movie-goer won't like what they see, either.

 

[xan82]

The only reply I seem to have had is aggression, and "JR, not GR"

Doesn't seem like a discussion forum to me, rather a place for cyber bullying.

Xan, unless you're spoiling for a fight, then you'd be well advised to not throw the first punch. You belittled a bunch of people here quite deliberately and chose to duck behind your mother's skirt when called on it. Were it not for the condescending tone of your '1000 word' post, I'd have simply left the Gene/Jean flop to a minor note. Or simply allowed someone else the kill.

You don't have bad points, but you do have bad manners to compare the concerns of people troubled over details you don't find important to pettiness. Not only is it bad manners, but it's a cheap rhetorical trick intended to disenfranchise those with opinions different from yours of their right to contradict you. I challenged you and you just couldn't resist poking me with that same stick ... even after a moderator told you to quit. Even after I extended a hand in compromise. And then you have the unmitigated gaul to refer to me as a cyber-bully -- when you started with the insults? Shame on you.

Once more, I'll offer you an olive branch if you're able to respond without insults or condescending tone. I'll drop the pedantry if you avoid calling folks petty. Deal?

The bulk of your original post advanced the notion that this movie will revitalize the franchise. And while I think that's an optimistic notion, it's certainly the one intended by both Abrams and Paramount Studios. If it does, there's a good reason for fans of the original show to worry that the cornerstones of the show they enjoyed may be wiped away in favor of fast editing and more explosions. The whole "more like Star Wars" motif Abrams scared a few fans with some time ago.

If this movie fails to revitalize the franchise, that will almost certainly be because it gets blown away at the box office. Make no mistake, the franchise will be seriously wounded if this movie doesn't do well. It'll be worse off than when NBC cancelled TOS back in 1969.

So for people who see bad choices in set design, or a lack of attention to Trek lore and history in other details, this film isn't as exciting as it is for you. I'm on the fence ... but I started out VERY excited. Recent revellations are pushing me closer to doubters, but I'm hoping the story -- the element missing from the trailers we've seen so far -- redeems design inconsistencies (or perhaps explains them). Honestly, if this movie is fun, exciting, and smart, I'll happily set aside my objections to building the Enterprise on the ground. But a lot of what I've seen so far suggests this may be less than the film Star Trek fans have been waiting for. And there are a few details out there that have me thinking the average movie-goer won't like what they see, either.

My goodness.

You really do have a chip on your shoulder.

 

[Psion]

Well ... he didn't call me petty, so I guess we're making progress.

 

[xan82]

Well ... he didn't call me petty, so I guess we're making progress.

You do seem a bit of a cyber bully.

 

[Psion]

M'Sharak ... forgive me for doubting your wisdom or trying your patience. I'll go hang out in another topic for a while.

 

[M'Sharak]

Well ... he didn't call me petty, so I guess we're making progress.

You do seem a bit of a cyber bully.

I disagree. He's one of the more level-headed and reasonable posters in this forum.

Look, if you post something on an open forum such as this one, you can't expect everyone to say nice things about what you wrote. People may not always agree with you, and may offer criticism. If criticism is not what you were seeking, then perhaps another venue would be a better choice. Whichever way you choose to go, getting defensive when someone offers a critique of all or part of your post is not it. If the comment isn't to your liking, you are free to simply disregard it.

For now, however, I think we should return to the topic of the movie trailer.

 

[xan82]

Well ... he didn't call me petty, so I guess we're making progress.

You do seem a bit of a cyber bully.

I disagree. He's one of the more level-headed and reasonable posters in this forum.

Look, if you post something on an open forum such as this one, you can't expect everyone to say nice things about what you wrote. People may not always agree with you, and may offer criticism. If criticism is not what you were seeking, then perhaps another venue would be a better choice. Whichever way you choose to go, getting defensive when someone offers a critique of all or part of your post is not it. If the comment isn't to your liking, you are free to simply disregard it.

For now, however, I think we should return to the topic of the movie trailer.

I was offered no critique, just nit picking at spelling...

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

"Ahead Dork Factor 6, Mr. Sulu."

 

[trampledamage]

Re: 1000 words..

Okay... as a media student of 4 years, a die hard fan of ST, and also a fan of JJ, I have a few things ide like to add to this discussion after much previous input, and now some time to digest the new trailer.

This film isnt going to be like any of the previous trek films in the way we know it... if you think saucer separations or the borg are the highlight of your trek movie experience are what makes it a film for you, then you are going to be sorely disappointed with this movie.

If innovative new gadgets and science play a major part in your enthusiasm for star trek then I would suggest that this movie is best ignored, as you have most likely grown used to the idea of trek being about a 4th grade science project rather than the brining together of difference without the cheesy trek you have grown so used to.

I'm not sure how you get from "new gadgets and science" to "4th grade science project" and "cheesy". Surely most sci-fi fans - Trek or otherwise - enjoy science fiction because of the new science. And Trek old and new has always delivered on this score. I don't see how loving that is something to be ashamed of.

I as much as any hoped that this movie would be a $1m+ investment into progressing what we know and love to be star trek, but the simple fact is that being a big screen movie with new director, new creative cast, pretty much new everything, , it wont contain much of what we previously know as trek owing to the failures of the previous instalments.

This movie, like all of JJ's other achievements wont be "true to life" in any sense... It will be surreal, imaginative, and although one may find themselves drawn into it for the duration of the film, I feel it wont be something that can actually be imagined as a possible future any more than Transformers, Cloverfield, Lost etc, and I would suggest that it will possibly be too surreal for most dedicated and hard core trek fans to digest into known trek.

It will however be an expansion to the existing trek universe, almost like a visualisation of a glossy new comic book version of trek, as were the newer star wars films.

It will indeed draw in a new generation of fans to the star trek saga, but will be as much unrelated to existing trek as the current batman films are to the old school 70's tv show batman.

Fair enough - I have no problem with the idea that this movie is going to be glossy or like a comic book. Don't know if it is or not, but it's a fine idea.

Its up to you if you watch this accepting that its going to be something new, so far detached from previous trek that you accept the old trek as being confined to DVD boxsets and convetions, and embrace this new vision as being a rewrite from scratch, 40 years on, using "the best" of the old ideas for a modern age, for a new audience of the age you were when you were first drawn into trek.

I for one would love this to be an all-guns-blazing star trek 11 film of The Next Generation...but understand that the time for that generation to prosper has passed, and now a new generation is awaiting a fresh new version, who quite frankly dont care much for what has come before, but will know enough of it to place foundations in their understanding of trek to embrace this new beginning as THEIR beginning of Trek.

JR's vision of Trek was a future in which differences could be put aside for a greater good, for an unknown greater purpose of exploration.. but an exploration of what? Space? Self? Others? The universe? Our universe?... And here we are, 40+ years on.. bickering about our own interpretations of this new imaginative vision of his voice, attempting to force our own particular viewpoint of what we believe to be a correct version of his ideals onto others who apparently claim to also believe in his ideals.
Petty claims of "where the ship should be built", "How Kirk's personality is slightly off", "Gas-powered cars in the future", "nacelle pylons too far back", etc etc.......Aren't we just going to further prove Jean's point that the human race was unable to put "petty" differences aside, and continues to do so 40 years on?

Oh come on - this is an internet message board, nit-picking is what we do for fun! If you don't like discussing the minutae of every second or recorded/written/dreamed of Trek then you really are in the wrong place. This is our hobby, and this is where we do it - and for all that a lot of people here are getting hot under the collar about their own perceived problems with the new movie, I'll lay good money on the bet that pretty much everyone who posts here will pay their own money to go see the Trek XI in the cinema.

(and then come back here and point out all the problems )

We aren't starting wars, we aren't harming anyone, we aren't stopping you from having your fun. We're just having ours.

If those who claim to hold Trek so dear cant put aside their differences in beliefs for a greater understanding and appreciation of what it is to be human, the differences that make us individuals which should be the very things that bind us together, and the understanding that individuality is WHAT it is to be human whilst attempting to set aside the inherent conflict that this will cause, then what hope has the species as a whole got at ever setting aside the ultimate representations of that, including war, discrimination and generalisation?
To fans of any Trek, this new movie is not a finale to all that has come before, it is a modern twist to a classic human trait which JR only began to highlight in his original series created for a different age which is evermore increasingly defined only in historical records. Even the cast from his first incarnation are approaching their final years in our society, if not already a part of history themselves.
His 2nd incarnation, the Next Generation was also created for a different age which we are privileged to have been a part of, and now gracefully able to whiteness also become a part of OUR history and experience of our years. Other commercial offshoots of that vision aka DS9, Voyager, Enterprise are an added bonus, some pick, some choose, some embrace.
Now once again with the torch passed to a new director with a new creative vision relevant to the current age, be his style to your own tastes or not, a man who has proven himself to have a popular identification with a modern audience, we are once again privileged to see a fresh injection of creative talent into something we can choose to embrace or argue away as being far-fetched and unbelievable.

Whatever your age, whatever Trek you like, whatever your opinion and may whatever god you believe in, have mercy on your soul.

Xander, 26, Bournemouth, UK.

Yep, the torch has passed. We have new Trek. This is a cause for much rejoicing, I agree.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Well ... he didn't call me petty, so I guess we're making progress.

You do seem a bit of a cyber bully.

Please allow me to introduce myself...

 

[cooleddie74]

Well ... he didn't call me petty, so I guess we're making progress.

You do seem a bit of a cyber bully.

Please allow me to introduce myself...

The BBS has men...of wealth...and taste?!