Nero? (Theoretical Spoilers)

[The]

It occurred to me that there is supposedly some "secret" as to what Nero is doing, and why, in the new film. A curious thought dawned on me the other day....is it possible that Nero could be the son of Saavik and Spock? Seems kind of left-field, I know. And I don't follow all the spoilers, so I might have missed something that completely eliminates this possibility. But, it would help in defining why Spock feels the need to travel back in time to stop him. I don't know, too crazy an idea?

 

[Timofnine]

He's bald so maybe he is the son of Shinzon and Spock... hey, it's the 24th century, anything is possible.

 

[The]

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

^ Was it the novelization of one of the movies that explored that, or a regular novel?

Your Av has to be one of the best pics of her I've seen, without that silly haircut she usually has. She really can be hot at times.

 

[The]

I didn't know about the novels exploring that. Still, wouldn't preclude the film from doing the same.

And yeah, she is a hotty, isn't she? Love her lips...

 

[The]

So, 115 views, and not a single person has any theories about this?

 

[Dorothy_Zbornak]

More likely the son of Spock and the Romulan Commander from "The Enterprise Incident", hating both Kirk and Spock for bringing disgrace to his mother and to him and dedicated to restoring his family honour at any cost.

 

[The]

AH! Perfect! Now, I hadn't even thought of her! That makes more sense. Excellent!

 

[Tom]

Spocks clone created by the romulans..... lol

I make mention of that in this thread : http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=74966 lol

 

[Cicero]

Isn't there some indication that his origins might be tied in some way to the actions of the TNG crew?

 

[Jarrott2]

in the novels there was the storyline where Spock had a son with Zara Beth
I think Saavik is also another possibility. Remember there was that strange awkward moment on the bird of prey between them in The Voayage Home before they departed Vulcan for earth. Also, in the novel and cut scene it is revealed that she is part Romulan.

 

[seigezunt]

I think they just want to forget about Saavik. Way too much back story to explain.


Btw, I still wish they had stuck to their guns and didn't turn her into Valeris in TUC. I've never been quite comfortable with the "Vulcan's Noun" pairing of them. She seemed to me more a student of his, and found the pairing a little creepy.

As for Nero, I think it will be something more simple, and not so much a reference to any big past story. Maybe someone burned by Spock's peace work on Romulus? The damaged ear means something bad...

 

[Franklin]

It's not a crazy idea. Except the oldest rumor floating around, going back months to something in AICN (consider the source) said, is the Romulans found themselves back in time by accident, and what turns out to be the Kelvin (though not mentioned as such at the time) wasa a target of opportunity. That is, at least initially, there was no grand plan for vengence or anything like that that took Nero back in time.

Bana also said Nero and his crew were something like pirates. He may have meant in behavior only, or more generally. If more generally, they may have been just out creating general mayhem.

 

[Lapis Exilis]

It's not a crazy idea. Except the oldest rumor floating around, going back months to something in AICN (consider the source) said, is the Romulans found themselves back in time by accident, and what turns out to be the Kelvin (though not mentioned as such at the time) wasa a target of opportunity. That is, at least initially, there was no grand plan for vengence or anything like that that took Nero back in time.

Bana also said Nero and his crew were something like pirates. He may have meant in behavior only, or more generally. If more generally, they may have been just out creating general mayhem.

If that's true, it'd make me feel a lot better about the movie, honestly. Then there's no annoying, heavy-handed HERO'S DESTINY AT STAKE motivating the tale. That is, the audience would have some stake in the "destiny" of Kirk and Co., but the characters wouldn't.

 

[seigezunt]

It's not a crazy idea. Except the oldest rumor floating around, going back months to something in AICN (consider the source) said, is the Romulans found themselves back in time by accident, and what turns out to be the Kelvin (though not mentioned as such at the time) wasa a target of opportunity. That is, at least initially, there was no grand plan for vengence or anything like that that took Nero back in time.

Bana also said Nero and his crew were something like pirates. He may have meant in behavior only, or more generally. If more generally, they may have been just out creating general mayhem.

If that's true, it'd make me feel a lot better about the movie, honestly. Then there's no annoying, heavy-handed HERO'S DESTINY AT STAKE motivating the tale. That is, the audience would have some stake in the "destiny" of Kirk and Co., but the characters wouldn't.

I agree. This makes more sense.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Well there is a comic prequel to the movie coming out that coul shed some light as to what Nero is up to in the film.

 

[Dan_Crout]

I would imagine that there's no blood connection between Nero and Spock, but that the Romulan Empire was greatly weakened after Nemesis and perhaps parts of it forced into submission to the Klingon Empire. Nero is a political prisoner. He's got a group of renegades (maybe former soldiers?). Spock may even be working for his release.

Nero's broken out. Nero's people have a plan to go back and eliminate what they see as the cause of Romulus' descent on the galactic stage. They may not even know what that nexus point is per se, but if they eliminate a given Federation ship at a given time, the timeline will shift to something more to their liking. Nero et al go back. Spock, on the scene working for Nero's release, now must go back to stop him. Maybe he knows where he's going, maybe he doesn't. Somehow, Nero and Spock enter the timestream at the same instant (otherwise, whomever went back second wouldn't exist).

Nero's plan is to eliminate the Federation ship, the Kelvin. It seems to go according to plan; Kelvin destroyed. But the timestream hasn't changed as predicted (perhaps because Kirk, Jr. wasn't killed on the ship). The timeline's different (Kirk grows up entirely without a father and is a bit more of a deliquent because of it), but not the right kind of different for Nero and his cohorts.

So Nero goes back to eliminate Vulcan (maybe Vulcan is ascendent in the new timeline for some reason). Spock's trying to avert further damage without pulling a "Back to the Future" and ending his own existance in a paradox. Spock uses Kirk as his tool and his knowledge of SF protocol and his own psychology of the time to do so.

Nero's plans are f'd up. Nero buys the farm in climactic fashion. But the timeline's still fundumentally changed and now we can have sequals that, similar to Marvel's Ultimate line (or even the Mirror Universe), have the same role players but with different backstories: Re-boot via Re-imagining. No reset button.

Dan

 

[Tom]

The question i have is were did the Narada come from, Was this huge ship built (like the Scimatar) under everyones nose's, or was this some ailen vessal that nero either found or stole. i would lean towards the later since I dont see anything remotly romulan looking about it.

 

[DontFeedPhil]

I think it would be cool if someone deeply involved in the movie would come in here to a thread like this and just post exactly what the movie is about but have it appear to be some troll talking shit. And then have most of us go, nah thats not gonna happen. I have the feeling if they did that, that most of us would have this reaction...

 

[RoJoHen]

It's not a crazy idea. Except the oldest rumor floating around, going back months to something in AICN (consider the source) said, is the Romulans found themselves back in time by accident, and what turns out to be the Kelvin (though not mentioned as such at the time) wasa a target of opportunity. That is, at least initially, there was no grand plan for vengence or anything like that that took Nero back in time.

Bana also said Nero and his crew were something like pirates. He may have meant in behavior only, or more generally. If more generally, they may have been just out creating general mayhem.

That would be pretty fantastic, honestly. Kirk and Crew fighting bad guys who are bad guys just for the sake of being bad guys. That means fun action with no forced emotional attachment.