Galaxy Vs Soverign

[JNG]

3) The Sovereign was created during a time of crisis and potential war for the Federation while the Galaxy was created during a time of relative peace.

The Galaxy class was designed during the Cardassian Wars.

The Sovereign class would probably have been designed in the early 2360s. Thinking about it, this is more likely to be described as a time of relative peace than the above.

I don't think that metric makes much sense, though. All frontline starships are capable of defending the Federation. I don't believe they intentionally reduce the capacity of new designs to carry out that mission just because there is not a huge war planned or ongoing at that moment. The top-of-the-line designs are as powerful in this respect as they know how to make them.

 

[Anticitizen]

Is there some reason why the Galaxy-class ship can't carry quantum torpedoes? Do they require modification of the launcher for some reason? The answer would certainly make a difference.

 

[Michael]

Whichever ship is housing our heroes. Well, duh?

 

[Mr. B]

The galaxy class is a lumbering beast for exploration complete with families on board. It would definitely be outmatched in combat. The sovereign has to be considerably more maneuverable.

 

[mythme]

The Galaxy ships were still using isolinear chips. I'm sure the Sovereign had bio-neural circuitry like the Intrepid class. Unless the Galaxy's were upgraded, the Sovereigns have the edge in reaction time, maneuverability and speed.

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

The Galaxy ships were still using isolinear chips. I'm sure the Sovereign had bio-neural circuitry like the Intrepid class. Unless the Galaxy's were upgraded, the Sovereigns have the edge in reaction time, maneuverability and speed.

Starfleet ships ARE constantly being upgraded. Surely you don't think TNG Starfleet was running their older ships with the original Multitronic computers and other inferior systems? Over the course of a mere 7 years, the Ent-D recieved numerous minor upgrades, and at least a few small refits.

 

[kv1at3485]

No advantage to either type of ship. Manoeuvrability a non-issue at typical ST combat ranges. Superior speed a non-issue with typical ST tactics. No difference in reaction time due to biological crew required to be in the decision making loop every arduous step of the way. No noticeable difference in performance between iso-magic to bio-magic. Equally susceptible to acts of plot.

The Galaxy has a slight advantage, if only because it can detach its saucer and ram it into the Sovereign.

 

[Cyke101]

Is there some reason why the Galaxy-class ship can't carry quantum torpedoes? Do they require modification of the launcher for some reason? The answer would certainly make a difference.

I assume some sort of modification is required, since the Sovereign has quite a lot of torpedo tubes for a ship its size, but has only one dedicated quantum torpedo launcher.

And that modification shouldn't be *too* hard to do, since theExcelsior-class USS Lakota had quantum torpedoes.

The Galaxy ships were still using isolinear chips. I'm sure the Sovereign had bio-neural circuitry like the Intrepid class. Unless the Galaxy's were upgraded, the Sovereigns have the edge in reaction time, maneuverability and speed.

I'm going to echo Herkimer's post, simply because we see older ships like the Excelsiors and the Mirandas operating along the same lines as more advanced ships like the Akiras and the Sabres in battle, and you can't really do that sort of thing along two very different eras of shipbuilding unless you have comparable technology between the eras.

 

[c0rnedfr0g]

The Galaxy ships were still using isolinear chips. I'm sure the Sovereign had bio-neural circuitry like the Intrepid class. Unless the Galaxy's were upgraded, the Sovereigns have the edge in reaction time, maneuverability and speed.

Starfleet ships ARE constantly being upgraded. Surely you don't think TNG Starfleet was running their older ships with the original Multitronic computers and other inferior systems? Over the course of a mere 7 years, the Ent-D recieved numerous minor upgrades, and at least a few small refits.

didn't we see in FC that the E-E used isolinear chips (when releasing the deflector dish) ?? maybe all the space viruses didn't prove the bioneural circuitry to be that effective

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

didn't we see in FC that the E-E used isolinear chips (when releasing the deflector dish) ?? maybe all the space viruses didn't prove the bioneural circuitry to be that effective

Plus, as Cary L Brown has pointed out elsewhere, bioneural packs rely on chemical processes, while isolinear systems are enhanced by a subspace field, allowing them to achieve FTL calculations. Meaning a bioneural system would be slower. Obviously, one of the writers hadn't thought of that. Neither had I.

Were I writing for the show, I would silently retconned bioneural tech out of existence. Would help me forget "Get the cheese to sickbay!"

 

[c0rnedfr0g]

agreed. and in general terms, i think overhauling a system as integrated as isolinear chips to something else would be quite demanding. i'd imagine it'd be much more efficient to let the (slightly) dated technology run its course (esp during a time of war) and to only outfit new ships with the new tech system, as opposed to stripping the entire existing fleet down to skeletons and doing an extensive retrofit (unless certain systems could be isolated and retrofitted independently, and assuming the tech diff validated it).

Were I writing for the show, I would silently retconned bioneural tech out of existence. Would help me forget "Get the cheese to sickbay!"

they did make less of a big deal over it as the seasons progressed

 

[All Seeing Eye]

In DS9 Galaxy class ships got ripped apart by Cardassian beam weapons during the battle of Chintoka, the Ent got took down by a BoP (yes I know the weapons passed the shields but it should still have survived an attack like that) and the Odyssey got ripped apart when a Dominion bug ship rammed it.

In Nemesis the Sovereign withstood a prolonged attack by the Scimitar, survived a strike to the nacelle by a big chunk of Romulan ship debris, survived a direct strike to the bridge and didn't even blow up when it Kamikazed the Scimitar.

Which ship wins? erm, THE SOVEREIGN!

 

[Cyke101]

In DS9 Galaxy class ships got ripped apart by Cardassian beam weapons during the battle of Chintoka, the Ent got took down by a BoP (yes I know the weapons passed the shields but it should still have survived an attack like that) and the Odyssey got ripped apart when a Dominion bug ship rammed it.

In Nemesis the Sovereign withstood a prolonged attack by the Scimitar, survived a strike to the nacelle by a big chunk of Romulan ship debris, survived a direct strike to the bridge and didn't even blow up when it Kamikazed the Scimitar.

Which ship wins? erm, THE SOVEREIGN!

In an earlier post, I mentioned why I thought the Sovereign would win, but I disagree with some of your assessments about the Galaxy class:

-In DS9, when our heroes were up against those weapon platforms, we never saw a Galaxy class get destroyed, just suffer some damage, and not really "ripped apart." (also, note that the Cardassian torpedoes were fired rapid-fire style, with a firing rate faster than even that of the muchmore powerful Scimitar)

-The Enterprise-D was under prolonged fire and it still managed to take a pounding. And even then, there was still enough time to evacuate the ship and separate the saucer. All in all, she's still pretty durable (now, the captaining skills of one Will Riker, though, I still blame a lot more)

-When the Odyssey was hit by a Jem Ha'Dar fighter, it was pretty clear that a vital part of the ship was hit, more than likely the Engineering section (and thus the warp core). Compare that to the Enterprise-E, who had suffered essentially the same amount of damage when she rammed the Scimitar, the only key difference was that the saucer was ripped, which is pretty far from an explosive system like warp drive.

 

[Vonstadt]

I went with Galaxy class, witht he upgrades to fight in the Dominion war, and the massive bulk (in space would have no bearing on manuevering). I loved watching those things strut as Battle wagons on the lines in DS9.

 

[Anticitizen]

I went with Galaxy class, witht he upgrades to fight in the Dominion war, and the massive bulk (in space would have no bearing on manuevering).

How do you figure? Objects in space may be 'weightless' but they still have mass. You'll have a hard time trying to accelerate one by pushing it with your finger. Changing vectors on a heavier ship requires more powerful engines. Newton's laws and all that.

 

[Cicero]

the galaxy class was beaten by

1. an old klingot bird of prey (GEN)
2. a kamikaze Jem'Hadar ship (DS9: The Jem'Hadar)

The sovereign class was only beaten by weiner Son'a ships

Question: Has the Galaxy Class been refitted with a joystick??? for me, that's the deal-breaker

The Enterprise only lost because of the klingons having the shield frequencies, the soverign lost fair and square, the galaxy can have a joystick i guess, and a mouse and keyboard too lol

Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't the Enterprise-E won every battle in which we've seen it?

 

[Cyke101]

the galaxy class was beaten by

1. an old klingot bird of prey (GEN)
2. a kamikaze Jem'Hadar ship (DS9: The Jem'Hadar)

The sovereign class was only beaten by weiner Son'a ships

Question: Has the Galaxy Class been refitted with a joystick??? for me, that's the deal-breaker

The Enterprise only lost because of the klingons having the shield frequencies, the soverign lost fair and square, the galaxy can have a joystick i guess, and a mouse and keyboard too lol

Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't the Enterprise-E won every battle in which we've seen it?

Well, there've been some technicalities there:

-Vs. the Borg: the rest of Starfleet did weaken the Cube for hours until the Enterprise came along, and even when Picard pointed out its weak spot, the Enterprise only blew her up because the rest of the fleet also fired at the same time

-Vs. the Sona: one of the enemy ships blew itself up. The Enterprise only managed that because of environmental factors. In a straight up fight in neutral space, the outcome could be markedly different

-Vs. the Scimitar: the Enterprise only won because Picard and Data boarded the ship to destroy the weapon core. Had they not, the Enterprise would've been destroyed. Also I could be wrong about this, but weren't the Scimitar's weapons still functioning? I recall that right before the Enterprise rammed the ship, the Scimitar's shields were down to 70%, whereas the Enterprise's shields were gone, phaser energy was down to 3%, and she fired all her photon torpedoes already.

 

[Eeveevolve]

Calhoun: My ship can kick your ships ass.
Picard: Thats true, but its not the point...

Or something along those lines.
Pretty much sums up Galaxy Vs. Soverign.

(Btw, Hi, Im new. So threw myself into my first post)

 

[USS Kongo]

From a pure design standpoint, I'd go with the Sovereign. It looks like a sleek dagger, while the Galaxy looks like a bloated whale.

Sean

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

I'll take a bloated whale over an anorexic Excelsior any day.