Andrew Probert and Rick Sternbach: The New Enterprise
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Well, it makes sense. Building something of that scale from scratch in the dangerous void of space would be needlessly difficult and dangerous.
Huh? I forgot which of the 79 episodes had starships built in space. Or what did you mean by "Star Trek"?
trevanian
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Do you think it might be 'dangerous?'
More to the point, how about the dangers to people on the ground!
trevanian
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It is the flexible thinking of the invertebrates that figures with the wisenheimers ... it probably comes with being spineless. Change whatever you want, just put the ST words up front and we'll line up and eat it up and applaud, we'll even blitz the naysayers, because we won't deal with negativity, we just want more product.
The no-trek diet ... there are folks who could most definitely benefit.
Dangerous and difficult. Space is a hostile environment, and one in which people don't work well even in the best of conditions. Yes, there would be dangers in working on the ground, but to me they seem insignificant compared to the dangers of working in space. Do we build submarines and other warships in the water? Do we build space shuttles and space station components in orbit? Of course not. It would make the task 1000x harder than it needs to be.
I have no problem with having the major components assembled and finalized in space, but it makes a lot more sense to do most of the work in man's natural environment.
Not really. We have evidence that Galaxy-class saucer sections might be built or overhauled or assembled in space. The engineering sections were shown fully assembled.
TNG "Booby Trap"
http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/s3/3x06/boobytrap104.jpg
VOY "Relativity"
http://voy.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/5x24/relativity_000.jpg
It is possible that the engineering section was built first and tested with a skeleton or test saucer section, which was either finished later or replaced with a fully functional model. Or modular sections of the saucer are slid into a skeletal saucer in space.
There is also good reason to built inside a structure like Spacedock if it can be pressurized, protection against radiation, and so forth -- things that can't be done in the other "drydock" framework structures.
This has never made sense to me - a spacedock should be open to space, and a drydock should be enclosed and pressurized. Silly, silly Star Trek.
I'm not really sure that's worked though, though I'm not a 'sheeple' fan to begin with. I didn't watch most of DS9, and only a couple of episodes of VOY, and only one complete episode of ENT. I still have yet to see Nemesis.
And, unfortunately, a lot of the reasons I didn't see all that are the same reasons that I won't see this new flick. It's not so much the Ship itself, but what the look and the attitude of the ship design represents - which is simply cashing in on a 'brand', one more time at the well, while avoiding doing anything substantial to really make it work.
We got all this same type of stuff in the past few series, after all. What's really different here? The fact that they're 'rewriting TOS' to make it... well.. more like Enterprise in many ways - more 'kewl' less 'thinky'.
So to all those people justifying the 'ground construction', do you really think Abrams and his crew spent more than a few seconds on deciding on it, or gave one whit about the dynamics of it? I mean, they're shown spot-welding the thing together, by hand! We don't even do that often with modern wet-navy ships!
its an awesome scene. a moment which defines the character, which launches the hero on his quest, which begins the myth. as much as luke standing before the twin suns of tatooine on the horizon. he's still in iowa, but we see his destiny.
that is what i think abrams and his crew decided on. the dynamics of it? that's for the fans to work out afterward, probably based on the flimsiest shreds of on-screen evidence. c.f. the location of engineering on the TOS enterprise. think gene knew, or cared?
that is what i think abrams and his crew decided on. the dynamics of it? that's for the fans to work out afterward, probably based on the flimsiest shreds of on-screen evidence. c.f. the location of engineering on the TOS enterprise. think gene knew, or cared?
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"Gene's version of Star Trek came out the way it did because of the approach to the characters and the material which dictated the nature of the shows, which in turn dictated the particular branch of sci-fi to which it would ultimately be compared. Lucas, by comparison, very deliberately chose an entirely different approach rooted in myth -- as delineated in "The Hero With a Thousand Faces" -- up with something no less valid despite its disregard of science. Epic fables have their place, too -- but they are apples to oranges when compared to hard sci-fi. The problem, however, arises if Paramount and JJ Abrams choose to convert Trek from hard sci-fi into epic fable, thereby negating not only the original intent and approach, but also the underlying nature of it's characters. Paramount has never understood Trek, and it has sought to convert it to epic fable ever since Star Wars came out. In my quasi-famous meeting with Jeff Katzenberg about my ending to TMP, he repeatedly complained that my ending was incomprehensible to an 8 year old and the movie had to be understood by 8 year olds or it would be worthless. To our credit -- or more to Bob Wise's credit -- TMP did not back down and made the movie, however flawed, true to Star Trek's approach and intent. But I am sure Paramount has never given up the notion of converting it to epic fable that would be more accessible to a less discriminating audience." - ST:TMP Associate Producer Jon Povill.
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GodThingFormerly
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It was by TV sci-fi standards. Why do you think Gene Roddenberry sought out the assistance of scientific advisors for TOS and TMP?
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GodThingFormerly
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I thought Babylon 5 was supposed to be Tolkein's Lord of the Rings set in space, and it still had telepathy, FTL spaceflight and aliens with lumpy foreheads.
Space Opera, but with real-world speculative science/engineering concepts retrofitted into it whenever possible. ST:TMP - to GR's credit - evidently aimed to become something a little firmer.
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GodThingFormerly
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ST:TMP's drydock workers are already pressurized - with spacesuits - and the film's technical advisor, Jesco von Puttkamer, gave the complex an orbital altitude of 1680 kilometers and inclination of 46 degrees so A). it is sufficiently high to render atmospheric drag a non-issue, B). it passes over San Francisco three times a day for LOS beaming to and from Starfleet Command, and C). it orbits well within the Inner Van Allen Radiation Belt, thus employing the planetary magnetosphere to protect construction crews from particulate radiation events, whether they be protons generated by solar flares or galactic cosmic rays.
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