Klingot and Romulan Star Empires... really?

[c0rnedfr0g]

These are supposedly two major powers of the AQ/BQ, with numerous other worlds within their respective Empires....


so where are all the other species? we never seem them (on ships, on the homeworlds, not even in the Romulan Senate).....

 

[Ethros]

The Kriosians are under Klingot rule


http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Kriosian

 

[dave_R_treker]

I was under the impression that these other worlds were there worlds that they colonized. Like Alpha Centari is a Federation world, but the inhabinats are human descendants.

 

[c0rnedfr0g]

The Kriosians are under Klingot rule


http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Kriosian

but do we ever see them serving in the Empire in any fashion?

 

[Sci]

These are supposedly two major powers of the AQ/BQ, with numerous other worlds within their respective Empires....


so where are all the other species? we never seem them (on ships, on the homeworlds, not even in the Romulan Senate).....

Why the hell would there be non-Romulans in the Romulan Senate? It's an EMPIRE. Meaning, they OPPRESS their subject worlds, not grant them representation.

 

[SchwEnt]

The Kriosians are under Klingot rule


http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Kriosian

but do we ever see them serving in the Empire in any fashion?

Of course not. They're kuve and are relegated to the very bowels of ships and we never get see the very bowels of Klingot ships.

 

[The Wormhole]

Well, Romulans have Remans serving under them.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The Kriosians are under Klingot rule


http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Kriosian

but do we ever see them serving in the Empire in any fashion?

Of course not. They're kuve and are relegated to the very bowels of ships and we never get see the very bowels of Klingot ships.

Cleaning the bowels.

 

[Timo]

It's rather unlikely that the Kriosians of "Perfect Mate" fame are the same Kriosians that struggle under Klingon rule in "Mind's Eye". For all we know, the Kriosians of the latter episode were just local Klingons.

Indeed, both Klingons and Romulans might believe in ideas of racial purity: sooner or later, their punitive measures on conquered worlds would lead to extinction of the native species. However, the Romulans do have the Remans, and the Klingons seem to have all sorts of species under their thumb if the selection of prisoners at Rura Penthe is any indication.

Certainly we have seen other empires with openly flaunted subject races: the Cardassians had the Bajorans and perhaps others, and the Son'a had the Ellora and the Tarlac. We have also seen more equal alliances, such as the Xindi collection of species, or any number of Delta Quadrant groupings. So not all the villains necessarily go for genocide.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[CommodoreKong]

I've always imagined both the Klingon and Romulan empires had some other races under their control (and we know of at least 1: the Remans), but never in any kind of position of power. I would imagine that neither Empire is close to the Federation in terms of number of worlds or population.

I doubt Klingon controlled species are considered slaves, since it doubtful the Federation would be such close allies with them if they had slave races. I would imagine the races under their control would essentially second class citizens, unable to join the military and other key jobs, but more or less free to do what they want.

As for the Romulans it's hard to say, the Federation has never really been close to them and they pretty much keep to themselves most of the time. I believe the Remans were pretty much slaves, but it's impossible to say if their other races are also slaves (though I would imagine it's more likely then the Klingons having slaves).

 

[Timo]

I doubt Klingon controlled species are considered slaves, since it doubtful the Federation would be such close allies with them if they had slave races.

Unless the Feds either desperately needed the military alliance for mutual protection and were willing to overlook the nastiness of the allies, or then thought that a "sunshine policy" would eventually make the Klingons understand the error of their ways.

As for the Romulans it's hard to say, the Federation has never really been close to them and they pretty much keep to themselves most of the time.

One might say that the Romulans did get close for a brief while during the TOS movies. They seem to be best buddies with the Feds in ST6, at a time when the fear of Klingons in turn seems to have reached its peak. This would no doubt be a case of making a pact with the devil out of practical necessity...

Romulans are very strict isolationists, so it's no wonder we learn so little about their possible subject races. But Klingons, too, appear to be an unknown quantity in the early years of TNG: our E-D heroes almost soil their pants at mere mention of the species, despite having a domesticated individual onboard. When Riker braves the alien culture and engages in that exchange officer program in "A Matter of Honor", many a thing we have later learned to consider quintessentially Klingon seems to come as complete news to him. It wouldn't be contrary to this spirit, then, if the Klingons indeed kept on committing atrocities, and our heroes either did not know of them, or did not dare react to them.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[The Borg Queen]

What on Qo'noS is a "Klingot"?

 

[captcalhoun]

someone who's gonna be pissed.

 

[P0sitr0nic]

What on Qo'noS is a "Klingot"?

Soval "Its a KlingON..."

 

[c0rnedfr0g]

I believe the Remans were pretty much slaves, but it's impossible to say if their other races are also slaves (though I would imagine it's more likely then the Klingons having slaves).

I did not like that NEM made Remus a slave planet. Judging from the RSE emblem, I always thought the worlds (Romulus and Remus) were more or less equal in control/influence, esp considering the historical/mythological background of the names

 

[Nerys Myk]

It was never the Remus Empire. Romulus killed him.

 

[c0rnedfr0g]

It was never the Remus Empire. Romulus killed him.

well, that's true. i hadn't considered that

but in Romulus' defense, remus had it long-time comin'