Viral Marketing?
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Pffft, good luck getting that motherfucker off the coffee table!
Considering Abrams' history with viral marketing sites (especially Cloverfield), it wouldn't surprise me.
CaptainHawk1
Commodore
No. Actually, I think he's a bit arrogant about the Enterprise and about the franchise in general and knew exactly what he said and he said it in the same arrogant, and condescending tone that was used by the shipbuilder in Titanic.
Thanks for chiming in, Mr. Church, but there's no credibility issue as I have stated only my opinion. What the flip are you talking about?
I've implied nothing of what you suggested and if you knew the context of the line in Titanic instead of just spouting off, you would have understood where I was going.
I simply think it's interesting that he is as as proud and arrogant about his design as Thomas Andrews was in Titanic and that was ultimately his undoing. As I said, using a line like that is not just arrogant and prideful, it's a bad harbinger. It would simply be poetic if it was Church's as well.
And here's the thing: I may not like the thing, but I'm going to have to accept it and to that end I've already put myself on the pre-order list for the first kits of it. It'll grow on me.
I have never suggested that your opinion is wrong for liking the new aboimnation of design. You simply just have no taste, but that's OK... everyone's entitled to not have taste. That's what makes the Western World great! You may think the same about me... whatever.
What I am suggesting, though, is that this 50/50 nonsense of for/against is incredibly misleading and I don't buy it.
But, again, I am incredbily excited about the new film and I have high hopes for it based on the producers, writers, directors and cast (and that kicck-ass trailer).
Yeah, well sure... you're like one of 5 people in the world who hasn't seen it.
Nope, not even close but in all fairness the line in Titanic isn't verbatim what Church said. The actual line is:Isn't it a reference to Scotty's line from Star Trek V? (half the doors not opening notwithstanding)
It's the context of the arrogance of both of them to me with such similar lines is what is striking.
I hope it's just a gaffe because he comes off like a prick saying that.
-Shawn
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Aside from the fact that this is bullshit, it is clearly unnecessary - since so many of the enthusiastic fans online this week have been at this "Star Trek" stuff as long as folks like you - or longer.
CaptainHawk1
Commodore
Well, I belong to significantly more than that and I never said that being a Trek fan was a disqualifier and if you're a Trek modeler, you have even more insight. What I'm suggesting is that I think there are a lot of plants on Trek specific boards drumming up positive buzz for the new ship. Trekmovie is a prime example.
And "unbiased" is admittedly a bad choice of words. "More objective" would seem to be more appropriate here.
But still, you've checked out 2 boards, your sampling is kind of limited. The general consensus from what I've seen throughout the hobby community is thumbs down and that includes non-Trek fans.
It's an issue of the convoluted and stolen design elements all being slapped together so that ship is incredibly unbalanced. The biggest problem is the dorsal/saucer sections slid that far back on the engineering section. I could easily accept all of the other nonsense of the design if they had just fixed that.
Why Church feels that the Enterprise need to be built at the Naboo Shipyards is beyond me.
Regardless, it's just one man's opinion based on his observation.
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There's a term for folks who mindless jump on whatever bandwagon comes down the pike: Useful idiots.
A fanbase like that may be a mile wide, but it's also only an inch deep. Forget trying to make contact with that intelligent life form out on the other side of the screen, TPTB are now hitching the future of the franchise on fair weather fans who are easily distracted by shiny objects (hence, my frequent citations of "The Emporer's New Clothes").
If you want to line up to be the next lemming, be my guest. Just don't expect me to be quiet about that cliff up ahead.
A fanbase like that may be a mile wide, but it's also only an inch deep. Forget trying to make contact with that intelligent life form out on the other side of the screen, TPTB are now hitching the future of the franchise on fair weather fans who are easily distracted by shiny objects (hence, my frequent citations of "The Emporer's New Clothes").
If you want to line up to be the next lemming, be my guest. Just don't expect me to be quiet about that cliff up ahead.
I wouldn't expect you to be quiet about the cliff since everyone else would be dragging you there to throw you off it.
So what would the term be for someone who hates everything about something in advance (without knowing anything about it), then tries to fit in all the new information into the self-set parameters of hate, fully intends to hate every second of it upon its release to complete the self-fulfilling prophecy, and spends all day bitching on message boards by repeating the exact same thing over and over again with every post?
So what would the term be for someone who hates everything about something in advance (without knowing anything about it), then tries to fit in all the new information into the self-set parameters of hate, fully intends to hate every second of it upon its release to complete the self-fulfilling prophecy, and spends all day bitching on message boards by repeating the exact same thing over and over again with every post?
Or people who have a life. It's a piece of pop culture - if it entertains the viewers on that opening friday and gives them a bit of escapism, it's done it's job.
However, I'm sure you will have finished your 500pg tome "why earth construction is wrong" by that time and you can hand it out by the toilets.
There are useless idiots as well.
Sir, if you are suggesting that I'm an idiot I'd suggest that we swap lives for a week. You do my job, and I'll do yours.
A useless idiot
Do you think it's possible that I want to see this movie because I think there is a chance that I might enjoy it, and I post on this board because I enjoy talking to others in a social situation (including virtual social situations) who share my enthusiam for Star Trek in general?
I could care less about who is on the other side of the screen -- and I suspect nobody who can make a difference in my personal life is on the other side of the screen, anyway. If 'TPTB' that you talked about are reading this (and hopefully they don't put much stock into these boards), I really don't expect them to seek me out -- in that case what kind of favor am I exactly hoping to curry with them? I'm just here trying to talk about Star Trek with other Star Trek fans.
To say that people who want to see this film (in the hopes that they enjoy it) have some "ulterior motive" for saying so is simply demeaning and rude.
You do realize that your circumstantial ad hominem attack is a logical fallacy:
You: This film will suck.
Me: I haven't seen enough of it yet to decide, but from what I saw, I definitely I want to see it. I think it looks good enough to see it in the theater.
You: Well, what you think doesn't matter, since you work for Paramount. Therefore I must be right, and it will definitely suck.
CRA, it's not the fact that you think this film will suck that bothers me. Hell, I don't care if you like it or not...The thing that bothers me is that you dismiss anyone else's opinion, and if (heaven forbid) they disagree with you, then they must have "ulterior motives" for doing so.
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The sad summary of this is:
Those who like it say, "I like/love this movie."
Those who dislike it say, "I don't like this movie."
The Haters Club says, "I hate this movie AND I hate you for liking/loving this movie."
Look at all the their posts. It is the same rant over and over.
Might want to check your lemming lore, there.
Closer to "There's something wrong with you for liking this movie."
Which makes such a poster really, really pathetically insecure.
True.
Amen...
...Like I said, I don't dislike anyone who hates this film -- to each his/her own.
However, I dislike it when people decide to hate me because I said that I like what I see so far regarding this film.
This post could be transplanted into a TNZ Obama thread without changing a word.
It'd be wrong there, too.
CaptainHawk1
Commodore
Not for nothing but the fair weather fans are exactly who they should hitch the future of the franchise on, NOT US.
The fact is that since TNG, only 2% of the Trek viewing audience has been the die hards like us. The other 98% are casual viewers who simply enjoy the show on a weekly basis and the movies when they are in theaters.
And what's worse is that this is not the same viewing audience as in 1987. This generation has neither attention span nor the interest in old-school style Trek and when I say old-school I mean every incarnation before this one beginning with TNG. One of the mistakes that Trek has made is that hasn't changed it's style in 20 flippin' years. The one thing you can say about the differences in TOS and TNG is that they changed the format to make it appeal to the late 80's audience as opposedto a late 60's audience. The problem is Trek has been perpetually stuck in the late 80's, early 90's ever since.
TNG debuted the weekend of my 12th birthday and when I watched ENT's finale TATAV I was reminded how sans the characters and slightly different plots, they're all the same shows.
The best thing that they can do with this franchise at the movie level is to make it an exciting film with a great plot that everyone will be talking about and raving about because there is no way in Hell that Trek fans are going to be able to produce $300 million in ticket sales.
On that note, you have every right to complain about things that we know for sure about which amounts to the designs of two ships, the bridge and the cast. Other than that, it's all speculation. We have no idea what the plot is, how much canon has been violated or anything else. We don't even know the context of Kirk and the corvette and the Robocop dude.
I don't understand bashing the film before we've seen it or boycotting it with nothing to go on but speculation.
But to the rest of you:
What's really pissing me off is that a lot of you are equating those of us who simply don't like the new Enterprise to those who are bashing the movie in general.
That's simply untrue and unfair. I'm a strong supporter of this movie and the franchise and I am, get ready for this, in favor of the tech updates. I espected and was looking forward to an update of the Old Girl but I didn't expect this mess they've presented to us. I was hoping that they would combine design elements of ENT and TOS to go for a transitional look. They didn't and not only that they've made the ship unbalanced with the elements they've put in there that look like they're photoshopped from several different sources (and Rick Sternbach has said as much, too).
I'm incredibly excited about the new movie I just think the new ship is ugly as sin.
-Shawn
Honestly.
It's amazing that these so called "Star Trek fans" can't accept the fact that other fans might have a different view than they do. I am constantly astonished that these people who watched same shows we all did for 42 years (or just the first two seasons of TOS. Yeah, yeah. We've all heard that one
) and witnessed all those wonderful shows could be so filled with such bile, hatred & downright condescendence towards other posters.
They have such an incredibly narrow minded view, continually hurling thinly veiled insults and sly remarks - looking down their noses as if the original series was carved on a stone fucking tablet somewhere up a mountain and they were the only ones sat on the rock the day Gene Roddenberry chipped them out.
Thankfully, their repetitive whinings have dulled down to a white noise, drowned out by the tremendous optimism and excitement by the vast majority of this fanbase.
And no, that's not a fact.
That's my opinion.
It's amazing that these so called "Star Trek fans" can't accept the fact that other fans might have a different view than they do. I am constantly astonished that these people who watched same shows we all did for 42 years (or just the first two seasons of TOS. Yeah, yeah. We've all heard that one
) and witnessed all those wonderful shows could be so filled with such bile, hatred & downright condescendence towards other posters. They have such an incredibly narrow minded view, continually hurling thinly veiled insults and sly remarks - looking down their noses as if the original series was carved on a stone fucking tablet somewhere up a mountain and they were the only ones sat on the rock the day Gene Roddenberry chipped them out.
Thankfully, their repetitive whinings have dulled down to a white noise, drowned out by the tremendous optimism and excitement by the vast majority of this fanbase.
And no, that's not a fact.
That's my opinion.
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