Here it is - no bloody "A", "B" "C" or "D"
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Considering how fast technology has accelerated in the last 20 years, the mind boggles as to how it will be in 200 years time from now! So when it comes to future technology way down the track, we have to get our minds out of the box of what we know now and try to “imagine” what it will be like then. To quote Einstein, a man who was a genius ahead of his time, “Imagination is more important than knowledge.” My point is this… What's to say that in 200 years time from now, technology is so advanced, that it accommodates "in" with beauty and design. Maybe in 200 years time from now art and presentation dominates over technology. As important as it is, maybe technology will become so shlick and convenient that it is secondary to the appearance/scene. That would be the trick I think - to have a beautiful, majestic starship to travel across the galaxy in, that presents to function so excellently and effortlessly... Maybe the human mind by that time has grown more into "direct" creative mode (right brain orientation - art, design, intuition, insight, imagination, and other such direct faculties of creativity)... Who knows, but I sure like to think and hope so that we go that way...RAMA! You scoundrel!!!
You know, I think it's around here guys like you and guys like me ... split.
The split is between those who want to see a more military progression of ships as opposed to those of us who see it as simply a part of the design of a production.
Your view might be (don't mean to put words in) - that starships would follow a rather similar design path as one would see in actual navy or air force machines. This comes from a terrific sense of history and knowledge of functionality. My view (and certainly the design of the new enterprise) is definately in the world of contemporary design. The new enterprise shares a lot of design elements with cars we see today, which have a 'new' retro feel, as well as other design elements familiar today.
Now, I think it's great to go and create something contemporary... but as a bit of a military geek (damn History channel!) I certainly appreciate a more engineering and historical view of what a starship is. And I think TOS lent itelf to this feeling. If only because all the lads making that show were happy to survive WWII in the Pacific!
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I know! And that's terrific! As I said, I'd like to see what they come up with, not use it as a verbatim design for a new show or movie. If I was doing a new show or movie ... rebooting Trek from scratch, for example, then I'd want to take their ideas, turn them over to talented art designers and say, "make something out of this, but sexy" and lather, rinse, and repeat until something that strikes a good balance is produced. And I'd also seek input from a variety of futurists who might have insights on the kinds of technologies might be available in two hundred years (or just fifty) that would also inform the shape and function of my ship.
As for the location of the bridge ... I wonder if it matters at all where such a command center should go when the weapons, realistically, can fire completely through the vessel's structure at least, and quite likely vaporize most of it with a single shot.
Love ye work, Madkoifish!!!Those or Gabe's version would've been just amazing....Here you go M'Sharak:
Madkoifish's designs:
Also for your viewing pleasure, Vektor's designs (subtle changes yet very detailed)
Ohh!...sniff...what could have been.
... Very much on par with Gabe's.Maybe Paramount was too proud to submit to outside designers who were on to a good thing, and true to Gene's ideal!
Thought you might like to see my Enterprise designs...
http://www.freeman33.com/spensenterp.html
http://www.freeman33.com/enterfb.html
http://www.freeman33.com/etb.html
http://www.freeman33.com/enterprisecross.html
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Considering how fast technology has accelerated in the last 20 years, the mind boggles as to how it will be in 200 years time from now! So when it comes to future technology way down the track, we have to get our minds out of the box of what we know now and try to “imagine” what it will be like then. To quote Einstein, a man who was a genius ahead of his time, “Imagination is more important than knowledge.” My point is this… What's to say that in 200 years time from now, technology is so advanced, that it accommodates "in" with beauty and design. Maybe in 200 years time from now art and presentation dominates over technology. As important as it is, maybe technology will become so shlick and convenient that it is secondary to the appearance/scene. That would be the trick I think - to have a beautiful, majestic starship to travel across the galaxy in, that presents to function so excellently and effortlessly... Maybe the human mind by that time has grown more into "direct" creative mode (right brain orientation - art, design, intuition, insight, imagination, and other such direct faculties of creativity)... Who knows, but I sure like to think and hope so that we go that way...
You call this aborted turd beautiful and majestic?
The TOS Enterprise was beautiful and majestic.
The flying swan that is the Galaxy Class is the epitome of art over functionality, beautiful and majestic.
But that cobbled together turd that is the JJprise? :shudders:
Love ye work, Madkoifish!!!
Maybe Paramount was too proud to submit to outside designers who were on to a good thing, and true to Gene's ideal!
Thought you might like to see my Enterprise designs...
http://www.freeman33.com/spensenterp.html
http://www.freeman33.com/enterfb.html
http://www.freeman33.com/etb.html
http://www.freeman33.com/enterprisecross.html
I like it a lot - as a post-Excelsior, pre-Ambassador ship, not the TOS-Enterprise. But it's a very good and beutiful design.
Love ye work, Madkoifish!!!
Maybe Paramount was too proud to submit to outside designers who were on to a good thing, and true to Gene's ideal!
Thought you might like to see my Enterprise designs...
http://www.freeman33.com/spensenterp.html
http://www.freeman33.com/enterfb.html
http://www.freeman33.com/etb.html
http://www.freeman33.com/enterprisecross.html
Man... the uncircumcised nacelles on the Madkoifish version really bother me.
ST-One
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I will only say this: After watching my first episode of Trek ('Who mourns for Adonis') when I was seven I was a fan for life...
These images underscore an inescapable fact: there is a deliberate effort to establish a sense of design continuity between the NX-01 and the rest of contemporary Trek, one that sidesteps around the TOS E. That in conjunction with the messing up of the subtext of TOS' continuity leaves me to confirm that this is indeed a restart/re-imagining and one that has no connection with TOS other than some familiar names and references.
One cannot escape that TOS' production stands apart from resources that became available from the late '70s onward. So to some extent one cannot blame the film crew from trying to put a more current face on their production. But rather than just tweak what was already firmly established they've elected to go for a more drastic change. That's fine, but it definately cuts the film away from what TOS already established and thus making film and TOS two entirely separate entities with no connection.
In extent that means that all of contemporary Trek is pretty much divorced from TOS' continuity...for anyone who cares for such things.
And to underscore this point that it isn't just about production design. In the spoilers they make a point of establishing the Pine/Kirk as something of a 23rd century biker punk always getting into trouble. This is in contrast to the Shatner/Kirk established in WNMHGB as a young guy who was "a stack of books with legs"--in other words something of a nerd who later broke out to be a more assertive type with age and experience. And this kind of character evolution is entirely credible as I've seen firsthand real people undergo this change as well as experiencing it myself.
This playing with established character is nothing new in contemporary Trek. The most prominant example is how they drastically changed Zefram Cochrane's character in the TNG-FC from what was clearly evident in TOS' "Metamorphosis."
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REPENT !!!! REPENT !!
**Bursts out laughing**
trevanian
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Isn't that supposed to be 'burst out in applause,' laddie?
And I gotta note the obvious conflict between your lil endquote and the tone of your post ... a post as clearly derisive as yours indicates you'd probably kick cripples (and yeah, I'm using that non-pc word deliberately.)
If Mr. Scott was here he'd take one last swig of scotch and smack you across the mouth. "This is a matter of pride..."
So... the fact that he doesn't think the original enterprise was "majestic and beautiful" (I can't say I disagree with him), and made a post about laughing about it makes him a cripple kicker?
ST-One
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I keep looking at all the "amateur" re-imaginings of the Enterprise in this thread, and I'm just astounded that paid professionals got it so wrong. The madkoifish design in particular looks like a mega$$$ project, created by someone with a true love for the old design, but with a experienced handle on modern design aesthetics.
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