ST-One
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Bottom of the secondary hull, just aft of the deflector.
Here it is - no bloody "A", "B" "C" or "D"
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Bottom of the secondary hull, just aft of the deflector.
Do you mean is the "NCC-1701" visible? Not in its entirety, but if you look on the bottom of the hull under the deflector dish you can see a "701."
Oooh, the guy above me beat me! :O
It's also on the nacelle but it gets cut off.
One thing I have noticed is the deflector dish is a little big for its housing--a nod to the pilot Enterprise? I'm not so much worried that it doesn't look like the ship we know, more that the pylons seem to go in an awkward direction. It actually reminds me of one of the early concept drawings of the 1701-D before they smoothed out the lines. The pylons suggest a newborn horse learning to stand. I'd like to see a straight profile and straight-ahead view of the bow to judge the angle of the pylons. The scale is actually a lot closer than the one in the teaser though, and the windows match the refit, so maybe that's a good thing. Also, perhaps they're ret-conning the TOS ship to be more plausibly refitted into the TMP ship.
What do you mean, "...it doesn't give me anything that says its the Enterprise, its kinda meh."? It has the basic layout and proportions right, they just altered some of the details to make it look more appealing. From a first glance it looks like the Enterprise, but you're talking like its some sort of starship from a different Sci-Fi universe.
Eric Cheung said:
I think it is more likely they might not adhere to original design evolution at all, and maybe in the future create their own TMP like refit of this Ent.
Scientificly the new engines work via the same physics as a jet engine. The large bussard scoops pull in particles and as they are forced out the back the tapering helps speed up the particle stream.. You know how a jet works with water and air. Particles are matter and when you compact them in a stream they move faster.. This is called thrust.
So looking at it that way in a practical sense I can see why they went for that look, I can see how the stuff I thought looked chrome could be highly reflective glass.
Also the ship isn't all that ugly. I don't know where you guys are getting that especially since it looks a heck of a lot like it's projenitor. Yes the neck is farther back, but the neck is also stouter so a disruptor or a photon torpedo can't blast it apart too easily once the sheilds fail. The thing that surprises me is how people can point to all the obvious fan designs, call them better but not see there flaws, Like Pipes sticking out on the Nacelles where they can be blasted easily.
Most people also still love those "ruler" pylons. Which look so fragile and frail.
Finally once again there are particles in space. You still have to move through those efficently with the least use of power. The TOS enterprise looks like a frisbee with a wedge attatching it to a flashlight with two rulers sticking out of it holding up two cuban cigars... Just an observation.
Incidentally, no, it's not. All I see is "NCC" on the side of the nacelle.
I do like that the pylons and neck are more stable looking. I just don't like the angle the pylons are at. I liked the looks of the A and E's pylons much better. Both of those ships did a pretty good job of looking greater than the sum of their parts, of looking like one whole design. This doesn't seem to have as much design continuity. Though, supposedly it looks much better in motion. It is already starting to grow on my only from having read a 21-page thread on the thing.
I think it'll grow on me. The shape of the secondary hull and the nacelles are my least favorite parts of the design, but they're not deal-breakers. I'd like to see how it looks in motion.
If you look under the deflector dish you can see 701 quite clearly.
Having slept on it, I think Rick Sternbach nailed it with this:
The fact that it makes me miss the TMP design so much is all the more troubling. (And based on the comments here, I'm obviously not alone.)
Based on Trek as I know it, it doesn't feel natural.
Now, there's a very good chance that this new ship is going to kick ass and take names in way that will make even the most die-hard haters stand up and take notice. So, like some others, I will reserve my final judgment until after I have seen the movie (at least three times).
I suspect I'll grow to accept it, maybe even love it.
But for now, I feel like I'm forcing myself to like it, and I shouldn't have to do that. The burden's on Abrams, not on me. So I'll let him make his argument in May and then I'll decide.
The fact that it makes me miss the TMP design so much is all the more troubling. (And based on the comments here, I'm obviously not alone.)
Based on Trek as I know it, it doesn't feel natural.
Now, there's a very good chance that this new ship is going to kick ass and take names in way that will make even the most die-hard haters stand up and take notice. So, like some others, I will reserve my final judgment until after I have seen the movie (at least three times).
I suspect I'll grow to accept it, maybe even love it.
But for now, I feel like I'm forcing myself to like it, and I shouldn't have to do that. The burden's on Abrams, not on me. So I'll let him make his argument in May and then I'll decide.
Huge improvement.
I took it into Photoshop and pushed the drive section back just a bit. That's my only problem with this new Enterprise is that it looks too squished.
Look any better?
That's painfully awesome.Here you go M'Sharak:
Madkoifish's designs:
Also for your viewing pleasure, Vektor's designs (subtle changes yet very detailed)
Ultimately if you end up not liking it, it doesn't mean a damn thing. Remember in the tech manual much of the stuff was said to be modular, especially the Nacelles which could be jettisoned and replaced.
I'm liking the design more and more, especially when comparing it to the 60's version I can see where they strengthened the original design with practical updates. If you take the time to think about physics and function this Enterprise isn't that bad. It's not the UBER Best enterprise design ever, we haven't seen that yet, but it's not like they gave us Movie Starscream and decided to have a totally unrecognizable ship on the screen.
Well, it's basically the same as the movie Enterprise, except the engineering section has melted a bit. And the warp engines look like they were designed by Elvis Presley's tailor.
I think it's still very much the Enterprise, in that it's still refreshingly different from most other science fiction rockets or the designs from Star Wars.
I like it.
I think it's still very much the Enterprise, in that it's still refreshingly different from most other science fiction rockets or the designs from Star Wars.
I like it.
On the contrary, my opinion means everything to me.
So you can imagine how concerned I am about what others think.
Plumster
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That's fake. The lighting and shadowing is all wrong and there is no lettering or signage on the hull anywhere I can see. The detail is non-existant as one would expect with effects today.
It's shape out of proportion and the nacelles are not what we know to be the case from the teaser trailer.
You've all been turned over.
It's shape out of proportion and the nacelles are not what we know to be the case from the teaser trailer.
You've all been turned over.
scrape away everything below the saucer and start over
No.
But then we'd have just a saucer.
Like in Forbidden Planet. See, it all comes full circle.
I said all that and more. After 30 years, it's just another Enterprise and so will this new one be.
On the contrary, my opinion means everything to me.
So you can imagine how concerned I am about what others think.
Okay, that was good.
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