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4 Clip descriptions from Empire *Spoiler heavy*

so Hoshi ends up dying in some camp according to her bio from "A mirror darkly" and Porthos ends up being dematerialized:lol:

This is the funny part: The camp Hoshi supposedly dies in is supposed to be located on Tarsus VI... the very same planet Kirk was on (as a boy) when he escaped Kodos the Executioner. Kirk escaped, but apparently Hoshi wasn't so lucky!
 
Man, you'd think Scotty offing Porthos would have raised more eyebrows than a friggin drink.

Even though I don't personally give a shit about the drink "violation," I think the Porthos thing is not raising eyebrows because:

1) It's not a canon violation (well, okay it is but that's super nitpicky.)

and

2) It's funny as hell :lol:

I dont' happen to think it's funny...whatever happened to Starfleet's vaunted ethical standards. It would never approve using a life form as an experimental subject like that...

As with just about everything popping up today, funny is a judgment call. I read it as the writers acknowledging that ENT is widely disliked by fans (although I like it) and they fried Porthos or a Porthos surrogate.

Pretty funny if you ask me.
 
Sound like that by destroying the Kelvin, Nero changed the timeline drastically. Being raised by his uncle instead of George Kirk Sr. lead to Kirk becoming a small town drunk instead of the respected Starfleet officer who was given command of the Enterprise.

Wouldn't that be something?

Nice catch, if true!
 
Mmh. I must say, after reading the spoilers I'm quite skeptical. Not so much because of the canon violations but because of the scenes as they were described. A lot of it sounds rather clichéd, like Kirk being the super talented outcast or getting into conflict with an uptight guy who later becomes his friend (Spock). I mean Kirk even has a motor bike like all the bad, cool guys do. The comedy parts sound really goofy, too.
I'm still going to see it, of course, but I'm not as enthusiastic as I was when I first saw the teaser trailer.
 
Sounds to me like they are trying to have their cake and eat it too in regards to reboot AND prequel ... you have stuff that ties into the movies (sp/sc), but disregards the way roms were intro'd in the series. So that does suggest time-loop, or that nobody gives a shit.

And their notion for young Kirk just plain sucks IMO. Very TOP GUN in 'tude and backstory, which is about as lowest common denominator as you can go while still able to speak (and presumably write) English.

At this point I MIGHT be able to enjoy the movie. Except in terms of exterior ship visuals, I have absolutely ZERO good expectations, so I'm in the best possible psychological mood for seeing it now (which probably explains why I didn't throw shit at the screen during NEMESIS, because I was at a similar level for that one.) But then again I thought I was at that point for CASINO ROYALE, and it turned out magnitudes worse than I could have even anticipated.
 
Sounds to me like they are trying to have their cake and eat it too in regards to reboot AND prequel ... you have stuff that ties into the movies (sp/sc), but disregards the way roms were intro'd in the series. So that does suggest time-loop, or that nobody gives a shit.

You got that right.
I think this "alternate timeline" story is supposed to be a sugar-coated reboot that, in their opinion, should be more acceptable to Trek fans.
 
I haven't been reading the clip descriptions because of the "heavy spoilers", but I really want too.

Will they literally spoil the movie for me (Vader is Luke's father), or are they just finer details?
 
I haven't been reading the clip descriptions because of the "heavy spoilers", but I really want too.

Will they literally spoil the movie for me (Vader is Luke's father), or are they just finer details?


There's no "Luke's father" in there, but they're substantial descriptions of important moments in the film.
 
I skimmed them only.

I'm disappointed that there's some divergence from my personal continuity, but "canon," if you include the books and comics, is so inconsisent, what the hell.

It still sounds like I will enjoy it. If only to breathe new life into these beloved characters.
 
Let's see...

So the timeline is changed, thus we have divergences from the original.

Of course, First Contact also changed the timeline by having Borg crash on Earth... who inexplicably showed up on Enterprise and apparently originate the Borg invasion of the Alpha Quadrant in The Next Generation. But it all went poof thanx to the Temporal Cold War, Daniels, and the man who invented the Federation, Captain Archer.

This film is a reboot. If anyone used a design from a mid-60s TV show for their new sci-fi summer blockbuster they should be fired. Come on! The Big E was a great design, but there's no way that old rust bucket should have any place in a film in 2009. Any thoughts otherwise are purely nostalgia or else you're a loony.

Regarding the clips... it's what I expected. The film is about how Kirk and Spock meet. More or less. It's typically character centered with a minimum of plot. The characters will interact and grow, as one would expect from youthful characters in a Hollywood film, facing some outside danger provided by a villain.

The time travel part is just a way to get the characters together, with Kirk holding the most important information forcing him to be who we follow through the plot.

There's a scene where the characters nearly face death from a great fall down a giant shaft... oh wait, it's not a shaft, but it is like the rather overused Star Wars bottomless shafts of danger seen in so many sci-fi flicks. Nemesis's ability to have a giant bottomless shaft for Riker to send a reman baddie down to his death, somewhere under Deck 29, still makes me giggle.

Having said that, we could still have a terrific film. The time travel and villain stuff might be snappy and fun. Khan was fun! And we might get some meat in the story more than youthful coming of age Hollywood shtick.

I'm always wondering... what's this story about? That can make a story more than just what I'd expect from Hollywoodland.

Seems to me with all these elements we have something that sort of resembles Star Wars superficially. Heck, there's all these Daddy figures around Kirk just like Luke. Han Solos personality (and Kirks ladies man thing) seem to be happening here.

I've always liked Trek best when it was about something, instead of just the characters. Having said that, the time travel shenanigance might be as entertaining as "The Naked Time" with it's interesting way of delving into the characters. Ya just never know.

I've been watching LOST. It's a much better show the more I watch it. I've become rather a fan of JJ Abrams. I'm still excited to see just how he deals with this Star Trek thing. Timelines, canon, who cares? It's all water in the timestream. :)
 
Uhura's line from the first clip doesn't so much both me for its vulgarity, which could work in context, rather it sounds overly laboured. everything after "hick" serves only to set up Kirk's repartee.
 
I've been watching LOST. It's a much better show the more I watch it. I've become rather a fan of JJ Abrams. I'm still excited to see just how he deals with this Star Trek thing. Timelines, canon, who cares? It's all water in the timestream. :)

Just some food for thought, but if you're watching Lost or you've seen Fringe, you might notice that JJ's stuff just naturally includes lots of Daddy Issues. It's not a necessarily a rip on Star Wars. Not that you were claiming that, just something to think about.

Actually, I'm remembering a Lost podcast with Damon Lindelof (who runs Lost and produces Trek XI) where someone asked him why so many Lost characters have daddy issues and why don't they just include a character who got along with their father?

Lindelof's smart ass response: "Show me someone with a good relationship with their father who's more interesting to watch than drying paint and I'll think about it."

:lol: I thought he had a point.
 
This sounds pretty awesome. Though it seems Kirk is entering the Acadamy after Sulu, Uhura, etc. Now that's going to make some heads spin.



The problem here is what?

Oh, you're absolutely right. After all, it's not as if the Federation had no contact with the Cardassians in the 23rd century.

Oh wait, they didn't. And that is the problem.

Huh? First contact between Cardassians and Starfleet was in the 22nd century.

What's more - it would be possible to pick up some sort of drink referred to by the name "Cardassian" without ever having actually seen a Cardassian...intersteller trade and all that stuff.


I'm a lot more worried abut other stuff!
Kirk groping Uhura's boobs "accidentally"? THIS is the great lover Kirk is supposed to be?

Beaming from a planet to a ship at warp? how long would it take a ship at warp to be out of range, 3 seconds?

there's a lot of "storytelling" issues that worry me more than continuity stuff.
 
I haven't been reading the clip descriptions because of the "heavy spoilers", but I really want too.

Will they literally spoil the movie for me (Vader is Luke's father), or are they just finer details?


There's no "Luke's father" in there, but they're substantial descriptions of important moments in the film.
You're right, they were pretty substantial indeed, and there were times I wished I hadn't read them. All in all though, they've made me even more excited for this movie. Hurry up, May '09!! :scream:
 
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