Knight Rider 1x05 "Knight of the Living Dead" - Discussion/Spoilers

[John Picard]

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Pretty good episode, but did KITT refer to KARR as the "Knight Cybernetic Roving Robot"?

Knight Auto Cybernetic Roving Robot Exoskeleton, which seems just like KRTOS KARR's name with the words "Cybernetic" and "Exoskeleton" thrown in. I think this may lend credence to the theory that this was some type of military vehicle/robot with KARR's CPU in it. I am glad KITT said the line about not knowing everything about KARR. This gives a lot of wiggle room for the writers to tie this "new" KARR to the original.

Probably enough to drive a semi through

In the original interviews, this was supposed to be a "continuation" of the original. In the original, KARR was to be deactivated and dismantled, which wasn't done. When KARR returned, the mission was to destroy car, which is what happened for the most part (yes, I am aware of the blinking light at the end). Which begs the question: Did the people from Knight Industries return to pick up the pieces?

 

[God Magnus]

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Which begs the question: Did the people from Knight Industries return to pick up the pieces?

A fun pet theory of mine is that FLAG never managed to because the government picked it up first. Years later they decide to use the KARR cpu in the exo-skeleton for military applications. However, when they activated it the thing went nuts and killed the 7 people mentioned in the ep.

It makes sense. KARR's prime directive was self preservation as opposed ot KITT's, which is/was preservation of human life. If you're going to send a robot into battle, KARR's directive makes much more sense.

 

[John Picard]

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Which begs the question: Did the people from Knight Industries return to pick up the pieces?

A fun pet theory of mine is that FLAG never managed to because the government picked it up first. Years later they decide to use the KARR cpu in the exo-skeleton for military applications. However, when they activated it the thing went nuts and killed the 7 people mentioned in the ep.

It makes sense. KARR's prime directive was self preservation as opposed ot KITT's, which is/was preservation of human life. If you're going to send a robot into battle, KARR's directive makes much more sense.

Very interesting theory. I wish my recording hadn't been so fuzzed out last night. It appears I missed some critical dialog as I did not catch anything about 7 people being killed (or was that in the original episode about KARR?)

Glad to see some of you are agreeing that the cheese factor is hitting maximum dispersal. The soundwave recreation was over-the-top

 

[God Magnus]

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Very interesting theory. I wish my recording hadn't been so fuzzed out last night. It appears I missed some critical dialog as I did not catch anything about 7 people being killed (or was that in the original episode about KARR?)

Glad to see some of you are agreeing that the cheese factor is hitting maximum dispersal. The soundwave recreation was over-the-top

The 7 people were mentioned in a conversation between Torres and Charles. It's online now on NBC.com if you want to check it out crispy clean.

Well, I always agreed the cheese factor was all over the place. But the credibility factor just went nuts with that one. This coming from the guy who's fine with the transformations!

 

[John Picard]

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Very interesting theory. I wish my recording hadn't been so fuzzed out last night. It appears I missed some critical dialog as I did not catch anything about 7 people being killed (or was that in the original episode about KARR?)

Glad to see some of you are agreeing that the cheese factor is hitting maximum dispersal. The soundwave recreation was over-the-top

The 7 people were mentioned in a conversation between Torres and Charles. It's online now on NBC.com if you want to check it out crispy clean.

Well, the problem is that I cannot watch that at work, and at home I have the AT&T 3G network, which would eat up my download limit and would be too choppy to attempt to watch.

Well, I always agreed the cheese factor was all over the place. But the credibility factor just went nuts with that one. This coming from the guy who's fine with the transformations!

A-HA! I gotcha.

 

[bryce]

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I am pretty sure that when Mike asked KI3T to show him pics of KARR, that the first image, briefly flashed, was a Trans-AM.

Also, in the original (2nd) KARR episode, his CPU survived the crash...

Now what will be interesting to see is if, since KARR is now a big morphing robot, if Peter Cullen (who voiced both KARR *&* Optimus Prime) will return for the voice work?

I watched the episode online (legally) so I did not see the promo for next week...

 

[John Picard]

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I am pretty sure that when Mike asked KI3T to show him pics of KARR, that the first image, briefly flashed, was a Trans-AM.

Also, in the original (2nd) KARR episode, his CPU survived the crash...

Now what will be interesting to see is if, since KARR is now a big morphing robot, if Peter Cullen (who voiced both KARR *&* Optimus Prime) will return for the voice work?

I watched the episode online (legally) so I did not see the promo for next week...

If that happens, the Universe will grind to a halt and a collective fanboygasm will be heard around the world.

 

[Rat Boy]

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I am pretty sure that when Mike asked KI3T to show him pics of KARR, that the first image, briefly flashed, was a Trans-AM.

Nope. See this thread at Knight Rider Online for a screencap of that scene. The car shown is a Mustang, not a Trans Am.

 

[davejames]

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Frankly I was bored silly by this episode. Yeah it got kinda interesting when KITT started to act self-conscious and defensive towards everybody (and made me wonder how much cooler a storyline with Michael and KITT on the run from a corrupt Knight Industries might be than anything else we've gotten), but I didn't feel any suspense whatsoever about the lock-down or the self-destruct device, and all the Halloween jokes were just embarassing. Not to mention the soundwave device...

I mean come on, the concept of the show is already inherantly cheesy enough. The writers don't have to pile even MORE on.

 

[A Clockwork Lim]

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They've completely ignored the original series and the original KARR with this episode.

They made it abundantly clear that KARR was that KITT's prototype (not the prototype for the original KITT), that there were only three "neural networks" that could support those files (KITT's, KITT's backup [ie, the body they're going to throw him in when KARR steals his], and KARR's), and that the implication in that statement is that they are the -only- three capable of doing so. As in no others exist, especially since this KARR is the original prototype.

If Michael Knight and the original KITT were going to show up at any point in the series, then that KITT should have been mentioned as a possibility for KARR if not for the new KITT.

 

[Rat Boy]

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If Michael Knight and the original KITT were going to show up at any point in the series, then that KITT should have been mentioned as a possibility for KARR if not for the new KITT.

How do you know that KITT still exists?

 

[God Magnus]

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They've completely ignored the original series and the original KARR with this episode.

That was my knee jerk reaction regarding KARR as well, but as some theories here and elsewhere indicate, there may yet be more to the KARR theory then some wacky exo-suit robot. I think we have to see how this pans out by ep 13 before fully judging.

 

[John Picard]

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They've completely ignored the original series and the original KARR with this episode.

They made it abundantly clear that KARR was that KITT's prototype (not the prototype for the original KITT), that there were only three "neural networks" that could support those files (KITT's, KITT's backup [ie, the body they're going to throw him in when KARR steals his], and KARR's), and that the implication in that statement is that they are the -only- three capable of doing so. As in no others exist, especially since this KARR is the original prototype.

If Michael Knight and the original KITT were going to show up at any point in the series, then that KITT should have been mentioned as a possibility for KARR if not for the new KITT.

Well, KARR is the prototype AI in a car (Knight Two-Thousand) and since the K3K is also based on that AI, it is reasonable to say that KARR is the prototype for the K3K.

 

[BenRoethig]

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They've completely ignored the original series and the original KARR with this episode.

They made it abundantly clear that KARR was that KITT's prototype (not the prototype for the original KITT), that there were only three "neural networks" that could support those files (KITT's, KITT's backup [ie, the body they're going to throw him in when KARR steals his], and KARR's), and that the implication in that statement is that they are the -only- three capable of doing so. As in no others exist, especially since this KARR is the original prototype.

If Michael Knight and the original KITT were going to show up at any point in the series, then that KITT should have been mentioned as a possibility for KARR if not for the new KITT.

One would assume that KITT 3K's neural network and the KITT 2k's Knight 2000 CPU were incompatible systems. KITT 2K using KITT 3K's files would be like a DOS machine trying to run data from Vista. I would assume KARR (if KARR and KAcRRe are the same AI) had his AI downloaded from his original CPU to a prototype neural network.

 

[BenRoethig]

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If Michael Knight and the original KITT were going to show up at any point in the series, then that KITT should have been mentioned as a possibility for KARR if not for the new KITT.

How do you know that KITT still exists?

We don't know anything about KITT 2K, Devon, Bonnie, or anything else related to FLAG. In fact, we've been given clues that there are a lot of things Charles and Torres are hiding. This could be a choice by the producers to kept it semi separate from the original or what happened to the original program could be uncovered bit by bit as a running plotline.

 

[DWF]

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If Michael Knight and the original KITT were going to show up at any point in the series, then that KITT should have been mentioned as a possibility for KARR if not for the new KITT.

How do you know that KITT still exists?

We don't know anything about KITT 2K, Devon, Bonnie, or anything else related to FLAG. In fact, we've been given clues that there are a lot of things Charles and Torres are hiding. This could be a choice by the producers to kept it semi separate from the original or what happened to the original program could be uncovered bit by bit as a running plotline.

We saw the original KITT in pieces in the pilot movie along with Michael Knight himself.

 

[nx1701g]

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^ It wouldn't be the first time that a show was changed from its pilot when the series began. Off the top of my head I can think of a few of the current TV series on television (some genre related some not) who have had major changes since their pilot.

- Desperate Housewives
- Grey's Anatomy
- Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles

 

[Rat Boy]

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If Michael Knight and the original KITT were going to show up at any point in the series, then that KITT should have been mentioned as a possibility for KARR if not for the new KITT.

How do you know that KITT still exists?

We don't know anything about KITT 2K, Devon, Bonnie, or anything else related to FLAG. In fact, we've been given clues that there are a lot of things Charles and Torres are hiding. This could be a choice by the producers to kept it semi separate from the original or what happened to the original program could be uncovered bit by bit as a running plotline.

That was my point. The Knight Industries Two Thousand could have conceivably been destroyed at some point between the two series', possibly by an enhanced KARR during the time that Mike Knight's memory had been expunged. Apparently what happened to FLAG and company is a plot point later in the season, possibly when KARR rears his ugly head again.

 

[A Clockwork Lim]

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Here's the thing.

In the movie, Old Guy (sorry, not attached to these characters enough to really notice or pay attention to their names) said that he was responsible for the creation of the original KITT as well as the new one. This seems to have been completely ignored in the actual series as there's no way he would have created two KARRs or even think about refurbishing the original one into a warbot, particularly because of its "self-preservation" primary directive and past history.

Add in the fact that this KARR has a different acronym (nevermind that it makes no sense as KARR has no C or E in it), it has the same perverted primary directive, that Old Guy was responsible for both generations of the AIs, and that this KARR is expressely stated to be this KITTs prototype... well, whatever. There's just no way to rationalize it as being the same KARR. They're clearly ignoring either the movie and/or the original series, and the chances that they'd ignore the movie over the original series are next to none. Especially since the movie all but tells you the original series existed.

At this point I'm surprised they even mentioned Mike's father in the first episode.

 

[Guy Gardener]

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It's only 5 episodes in. there's no need to be so negative so quickly. There are shows that deserve scorn and this might be one of them... Hell, Sarah even kept her clothes on this episode.

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