Abrams: ST is silly and ridiculous

[SonicRanger]

Here are new quotes. This fancy-pants director wants to change everything!

He wants to change the classic Enterprise design:

A model had been built, but when I saw it I didn't like it very much. I felt it needed to be bigger in order to get all the angles I wanted and in order for it to really look big on a large screen, so I had a new model built and at that time some additional design changes were made. . . All the designers worked together. . . to make sure that the ship design made sense and was believable.

And he hates the TOS uniforms!

it was felt that the Original Series uniforms were designed in order to take advantage of color television, which was relatively new at the time. It wasn't really thought of as realistic, and the science advisors we had on the film insisted that pastels would be more timeless and less distracting on the big screen.

And he isn't even familiar with TOS:

I wasn't very familiar with the series.

Oh, wait, those are from an interview with Robert Wise:

http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/community/chat/archive/transcript/4256.html

 

[gastrof]

What Abrams said has been read...

Right.

... and understood.

Wrong.



Right.



Right.



Right.

... and the whole thing is ridiculous.

Wrong.

You can't be a sincere fan with an affection for a piece, and at the same time feel it's stupid.

Thinking the costumes were "silly" does not mean thinking the whole series was "stupid."

Was Robert Wise a TOS-hater because he changed the look?

Was Nick Meyers a TOS- and TMP-hater because he changed the look?

Actually, I was right, not wrong.

I did understand what he said, and you don't know my thoughts down to the marrow at this very moment, do you? So how can you say what I did or didn't fully understand.

Read the entire quote for yourself. Again. Think about it.

As for the matter of "the whole thing"...

Feeling that the entire look of things, including Vulcans, is 'stupid' is taking a pretty big pot shot at the original Star Trek.

He DID plainly say it all looked foolish and he was having a bit of trouble dealing with that.

And yet he used the same look for Spock himself.

How...consistent.

As for the post-TMP films, it's one thing to make modifications as part of an ongoing storyline.

It's another to go back, alter the look of something established, but then claim it's part of the very same thing that's being overwritten.

Again, the only possible "out" will be if the movie establishes the "changes" are due to the Romulans earliest efforts to alter history. If so, then at least that's something.

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Here are new quotes. This fancy-pants director wants to change everything!

...Oh, wait, those are from an interview with Robert Wise:

A different matter entirely. He's introducing changes as time passes, not altering an existing timeline.

 

[Ovation]

It's like watching a dog chase its tail.

 

[Sector 7]

Oh god. So, in order to like something, I have to like everything about it? Here's something. I'm a fan of Star Trek. I am fan of about 20% of the stories, I think the other 80% are crap. I think the sets and design are pretty crap by today's standards. Bowl-cuts and primary coloured costumes are ridiculous and silly. The stories that really shine, the times the dialog really works between the characters - those episodes that rise above TOS's inherent silliness and camp - are what make me a fan of the series.

Heretic! Burn him at the stake! Let's start a lynch mob! Hang him high!
(Did I miss any?)
Actually I agree with you 100%! There are elements that looked great in 1970 (when I first saw TOS) as a child.. but today are very dated for a show about the future.
I watched Star Trek and dreamed about a wonderful future... My kids looked at TOS and said, "That's goofy." I want JJ Abrams & Company to give us a movie that will make my kids and grandchildren DREAM OF THE FUTURE!!!

 

[Sector 7]

It's like watching a dog chase its tail.

Yeah. Funny for about a minute or two... after that it is just sad.

 

[gastrof]

It's like watching a dog chase its tail.

Is that what you're doing?

Funny how someone expressing sincere feelings strikes you that way, but you expressing yours...

Should others view you the same way?

Are you being respectful, or trying to silence someone when you just don't care for their point of view?

I'm a little unclear on what your post means.

 

[James Bond]

It's like watching a dog chase its tail.

Is that what you're doing?

Funny how someone expressing sincere feelings strikes you that way, but you expressing yours...

Should others view you the same way?

Are you being respectful, or trying to silence someone when you just don't care for their point of view?

I'm a little unclear on what your post means.

He's talking about your ridiculous post formatting. I know I could only read a couple of lines before I got a headache.

 

[SonicRanger]

Silly or not?

Technicolor lighting everywhere:

http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/1x02/charliex048.jpg

Hand puppets:

http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/1x01/themantrap144.jpg

Old dial clocks:

http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/1x10/corbomitemanuever233.jpg

Nebula-vision:

http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/1x27/The_Alternative_Factor_312.JPG

Hand-drawn lightning:

http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/2x05/theapple_181.jpg

This guy:

http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/2x05/theapple_251.jpg

Just about everything in this image:

http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/2x16/The_Gamesters_of_Triskelion_064.JPG

Shadows on the "sky":

http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/3x06/Spectre_of_the_Gun_248.JPG

Look -- they were all fine at the time. They're great. But if a producer wanted to use these aesthetics again, he or she would be fired... rightly.

 

[gastrof]

A little perspective, guys: sci-fi is inherently silly. Fantasy is silly. Escapism is silly. And that's what makes it worthwhile. Silly means you're able to think in very unorthodox ways and not be bogged down by the unoriginal. Silly means you're willing to explore things that few others would....

That's not at all what he was saying. He implied that OTHER scifi is doable, but that Trek was a challenge because to start out it's "silly and ridiculous".

Did he really?

Did he not?

 

[xortex]

Silly or not?

Technicolor lighting everywhere:

http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/1x02/charliex048.jpg

Hand puppets:

http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/1x01/themantrap144.jpg

Old dial clocks:

http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/1x10/corbomitemanuever233.jpg

Nebula-vision:

http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/1x27/The_Alternative_Factor_312.JPG

Hand-drawn lightning:

http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/2x05/theapple_181.jpg

This guy:

http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/2x05/theapple_251.jpg

Just about everything in this image:

http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/2x16/The_Gamesters_of_Triskelion_064.JPG

Shadows on the "sky":

http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/3x06/Spectre_of_the_Gun_248.JPG

Look -- they were all fine at the time. They're great. But if a producer wanted to use these aesthetics again, he or she would be fired... rightly.

Very few of these have to do with the bridge design. Minor changes and a 100 million dollar makover is o.k. as long as the look is that of what was promised - a prequil. I think TOS was a miracle of rare design.

 

[gastrof]

It's like watching a dog chase its tail.

Is that what you're doing?

Funny how someone expressing sincere feelings strikes you that way, but you expressing yours...

Should others view you the same way?

Are you being respectful, or trying to silence someone when you just don't care for their point of view?

I'm a little unclear on what your post means.

He's talking about your ridiculous post formatting. I know I could only read a couple of lines before I got a headache.

Hmm...post formatting.

What exactly do you mean by "formatting", and what would you suggest as an alternative? (And does all this fit with the theme of the thread, or are we getting off topic?)

Silly or not?

...Look -- they were all fine at the time. They're great. But if a producer wanted to use these aesthetics again, he or she would be fired... rightly.

What I checked was the "hand puppet" reference you made.

Okay.

If Beau needed to be shown again, a mechanism inside, rather than a hand? How DO you show an animated, thick stemmed alien flower?

Silly or not?

...Look -- they were all fine at the time. They're great. But if a producer wanted to use these aesthetics again, he or she would be fired... rightly.

Very few of these have to do with the bridge design. Minor changes and a 100 million dollar makover is o.k. as long as the look is that of what was promised - a prequil. I think TOS was a miracle of rare design.

Thank you.

I mean, what does the "future" look like?

What exactly might look "goofy" to children?

Some personal clothing and grooming styles today look a bit...umm...goofy to me, and those are current.

 

[-Brett-]

ST is silly and ridiculous

Well... it was.

You can like the show all you want, but explain how travelling thousands of light years from Earth to recreate the O.K Corral isn't silly or ridiculous.

 

[GodThingFormerly]

And he isn't even familiar with TOS:

I wasn't very familiar with the series.

Oh, wait, those are from an interview with Robert Wise:

http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/community/chat/archive/transcript/4256.html

Robert Wise didn't need to be familiar with TOS because he had the show's goddamned creator and executive producer producing ST:TMP! Jeezus.

TGT

 

[xortex]

ST is silly and ridiculous

Well... it was.

You can like the show all you want, but explain how travelling thousands of light years from Earth to recreate the O.K Corral isn't silly or ridiculous.

Gastrof, give it up, they can't understand. My real queation is how many so called sequals are they going to do ? They seem to be all ready to do another one. But to tell you the truth, I'm not troubled, if they think they can negate and run over Star Trek, let them try. They'll just be two Star Treks - the movie versions and the t.v. series.

 

[gastrof]

ST is silly and ridiculous

Well... it was.

You can like the show all you want, but explain how travelling thousands of light years from Earth to recreate the O.K Corral isn't silly or ridiculous.

Wasn't that a story element, rather than part of set and costume design?

ST is silly and ridiculous

Well... it was.

You can like the show all you want, but explain how travelling thousands of light years from Earth to recreate the O.K Corral isn't silly or ridiculous.

Gastrof, give it up, they can't understand. My real queation is how many so called sequals are they going to do ? They seem to be all ready to do another one. But to tell you the truth, I'm not troubled, if they think they can negate and run over Star Trek, let them try. They'll just be two Star Treks - the movie versions and the t.v. series.

Umm...I didn't say either quote.

As for your point, I'm not going to stop the film. I know that.

I'm going to see the film. I want to.

I'm disappointed they SEEM to have the intention of making the existing TOS era invalid. and I'm still hoping there's a way to make this new thing still be a part of the ongoing story we already have.

Time will tell, but it WOULD have been possible to make a bridge that looks as much like the original as the uniforms do, and still make it work for today's audience.

That's a given.

Why didn't they?

 

[xortex]

ST is silly and ridiculous

Well... it was.

You can like the show all you want, but explain how travelling thousands of light years from Earth to recreate the O.K Corral isn't silly or ridiculous.

Wasn't that a story element, rather than part of set and costume design?

You know if they wanted to do something they should have done phase II - the second five year mission, then they could have changed the sets all they wanted, but they wanted to do TOS to steal their glory somehow.

 

[Tom Servo]

ST is silly and ridiculous

Well... it was.

You can like the show all you want, but explain how travelling thousands of light years from Earth to recreate the O.K Corral isn't silly or ridiculous.

Gastrof, give it up, they can't understand. My real queation is how many so called sequals are they going to do ? They seem to be all ready to do another one. But to tell you the truth, I'm not troubled, if they think they can negate and run over Star Trek, let them try. They'll just be two Star Treks - the movie versions and the t.v. series.

What can't we, the movies supporters, understand? The fact that some people seemed to think a $200 Million dollar movie in 2008 would look like a 1960's TV show? Cause thats why I keep hearing and laughing at.

 

[trevanian]

ST is silly and ridiculous

Well... it was.

You can like the show all you want, but explain how travelling thousands of light years from Earth to recreate the O.K Corral isn't silly or ridiculous.

The best Trek writer in the history of the universe sold the show that premise as something of a comedy, but wasn't there to protect or produce the concept.

Farce often is supposed to be silly. IS AbraTrek supposed to be a farce?

 

[xortex]

Well... it was.

You can like the show all you want, but explain how travelling thousands of light years from Earth to recreate the O.K Corral isn't silly or ridiculous.

Gastrof, give it up, they can't understand. My real queation is how many so called sequals are they going to do ? They seem to be all ready to do another one. But to tell you the truth, I'm not troubled, if they think they can negate and run over Star Trek, let them try. They'll just be two Star Treks - the movie versions and the t.v. series.

What can't we, the movies supporters, understand? The fact that some people seemed to think a $200 Million dollar movie in 2008 would look like a 1960's TV show? Cause thats why I keep hearing and laughing at.

The two designs could have been more in congruity with each other but I refer you to my previous post, this could be a whole host of movies. I can accept this as adifferent version of TOS but it should not be called a cononic prequil, that is all.

 

[Sector 7]

Does everything we say feed their paranoid delusion? Is the best thing to let them have their delusion of Abrams destroying TOS?

You be the judge. I shall find better threads.

P.S.- The words are:
canon -not cannon
prequel -not prequil
sequel -not sequil

Please use the built in spell checker. A red underline means check your spelling.