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HDMI socket vs SCART socket

I'm going out this week to buy an upscaler DVD player. I don't think I want to spend more than £30 to £50 though.

Can anyone suggest which DVD upscaler would be best for me to buy? :confused:

EDIT: This sounds ok.
 
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There are decent upscaling players all over the shop - get a branded one and you will do just fine.
 
I know some people like them; to me it's the same thing as turning up the sharpness: you're trying to add information that isn't present in the original signal. I have a DVD player connected via component and one via RGB SCART. Some of my DVDs look excellent and some don't: it's down to the mastering of the DVD and the quality of the source film used to make it more than anything else.

If you really want HD, why not buy a Blu-Ray player instead? I have little to no interest in the technology myself, but it sounds like you're looking to get some HD content on your telly, so maybe that's a better route?
 
If you really want HD, why not buy a Blu-Ray player instead? I have little to no interest in the technology myself, but it sounds like you're looking to get some HD content on your telly, so maybe that's a better route?

Don't get me wrong I would love to have one but just don't have the money. It's going to take me 6 months to pay my credit card off for the telly. ;)
 
If you really want HD, why not buy a Blu-Ray player instead? I have little to no interest in the technology myself, but it sounds like you're looking to get some HD content on your telly, so maybe that's a better route?

Don't get me wrong I would love to have one but just don't have the money.
If you just want something in HD, Freesat has BBC HD, and ITV HD. The box prices are coming down slowly, if you have a dish all you need is the box.
 
If you really want HD, why not buy a Blu-Ray player instead? I have little to no interest in the technology myself, but it sounds like you're looking to get some HD content on your telly, so maybe that's a better route?

;) Don't get me wrong I would love to have one but just don't have the money. It's going to take me 6 months to pay my credit card off for the telly.

I suggest patience then.
 
I know some people like them; to me it's the same thing as turning up the sharpness: you're trying to add information that isn't present in the original signal. I have a DVD player connected via component and one via RGB SCART. Some of my DVDs look excellent and some don't: it's down to the mastering of the DVD and the quality of the source film used to make it more than anything else.

If you have an LCD TV upscaling is happening somewhere, if your DVD Player does not do it then your TV will. Personally I find you generally get a better effect with the DVD player doing it than the TV, but your mileage may vary.

It is certainly not the same thing to upscale as to turn up the sharpness. Your TV, and an upscaling DVD player, have software built in that performs the upscaling and it is extremely clever. If you couple this cleverness with the fact DVDs have somewhat more information on them than you tend to see in Standard Def. and decent upscaling becomes of genuine benefit.

It might not be comparable to genuine HD on Blu-Ray, but as an interim alternative for those of us who do not want to go back to spending £20 on every movie we buy, its pretty good.

If you really want HD, why not buy a Blu-Ray player instead? I have little to no interest in the technology myself, but it sounds like you're looking to get some HD content on your telly, so maybe that's a better route?

The problem is the software cost as much as the players for a lot of people - plus ultimately how long does Blu-Ray have before Hi-Def on demand and download services hit the market hard?
 
^The problem with that though, is in general, your TV will have a better upscaler than a cheap upscaling DVD player. So unless you're willing to shell out for an expensive one, you're just as well sticking with your TV's upscaling ability, or going with a Blu-ray player.
 
If you have an LCD TV upscaling is happening somewhere, if your DVD Player does not do it then your TV will. Personally I find you generally get a better effect with the DVD player doing it than the TV, but your mileage may vary.

My tv is a plasma and to my knowledge does no upscaling: it says 480p or 576p depending on whether it's an NTSC or PAL source.

The image still looks excellent depending on the quality of the master. I will confess that material filmed in HD does look better on an HDTV, but my film collection is mostly 70s and 80s; I fail to see how HD would improve upon those films other than showing me more grain than I already see; hence my lack of interest in the current HD media.

With regard to upscaling, if the DVD has more information than normally visible on an SDTV, I'll concede the point; if not you're just playing tricks and adding information. It may be better than fiddling with the sharpness settings on the TV, but it's still adding information that isn't in the source and I would expect that to have inconsistent results depending upon the source material; as a consequence I would avoid it.
 
My tv is a plasma and to my knowledge does no upscaling: it says 480p or 576p depending on whether it's an NTSC or PAL source.

Resolution with Plasma is a very knotty issue, the whole "Full HD" thing has been largely pushed by the LCD makers to try and screw Plasma over, it is semi-working as well. Plasma really has no need to "upscale" - as plasma screens do not really have pixels in the same way as an LCD.

The image still looks excellent depending on the quality of the master. I will confess that material filmed in HD does look better on an HDTV, but my film collection is mostly 70s and 80s; I fail to see how HD would improve upon those films other than showing me more grain than I already see; hence my lack of interest in the current HD media.

Well, it does depend on the quality of the master but a really well cleaned up bit of film has an incredible amount of information that can benefit HD. The Star Wars trilogy looked stunning when cleaned up for DVD and doubtless would look pretty stunning on HD as well. Whether such effort would also be applied to other releases, well, hopefully quite a few.

Things which really stand no chance of looking better on HD ever include TNG, DS9 and VGR, filmed on cheap stock, they look pretty poor on DVD.

With regard to upscaling, if the DVD has more information than normally visible on an SDTV, I'll concede the point; if not you're just playing tricks and adding information.

Huh? We are having a discussion this is not the college debating club, I am trying to have a friendly chat about the benefits of an upscaling DVD player not "win" a debate. Frankly there is no debate, the benefits to a quality plasma are pretty minimal.

It may be better than fiddling with the sharpness settings on the TV, but it's still adding information that isn't in the source and I would expect that to have inconsistent results depending upon the source material; as a consequence I would avoid it.

Here there is a debate - the technology that has really helped turn around Home Cinema is DSP, the ability to process sound and pictures and enhance them.

An LCD TV has a set number of pixels to fill, it HAS to upscale, there is absolutely no way it cannot or you would see a little box in the middle of the screen. An upscaling DVD player connected via HDMI returns a better picture on an LCD TV to my eyes than an SD output converted by the TV. The difference is slight. Progressive scan and either a Component or HDMI connection are IMO more important.

With Plasma, as I said earlier, this is somewhat less of an issue. However modern technology really does strongly argue against old purist notions about adding information, as those working in this field have done some amazing work which filters through into even cheap consumer electronics.
 
An LCD TV has a set number of pixels to fill, it HAS to upscale, there is absolutely no way it cannot or you would see a little box in the middle of the screen. An upscaling DVD player connected via HDMI returns a better picture on an LCD TV to my eyes than an SD output converted by the TV. The difference is slight. Progressive scan and either a Component or HDMI connection are IMO more important.

With Plasma, as I said earlier, this is somewhat less of an issue. However modern technology really does strongly argue against old purist notions about adding information, as those working in this field have done some amazing work which filters through into even cheap consumer electronics.

Hmmm, I didn't realise the difference between plasma and LCD was that fundamental, cheers.

I'm sure by the time I need to replace my plasma there'll be a next-gen flatpanel technology in the shops!
 
I'm sure by the time I need to replace my plasma there'll be a next-gen flatpanel technology in the shops!

They are already working on even-higher-def (unlikely to take off) and holographic and nu-3D technology, which when it reaches consumer electronics, should be pretty cool!
 
I'm sure by the time I need to replace my plasma there'll be a next-gen flatpanel technology in the shops!

They are already working on even-higher-def (unlikely to take off) and holographic and nu-3D technology, which when it reaches consumer electronics, should be pretty cool!
Isn't Super-Hi Vision supposed to be for events and venues though, not consumers?

Indeed - though of course it is probablew they will try to find some consumer application for it if the technology can be made cheap enough.

Holography is a more likely next-generation screen technology. Would be brilliant for flashy PCs and games consoles.
 
I've read about some of those; I was thinking more about a simple upgrade from LCD/Plasma. Sony and Canon are backing OLED, which doesn't sound as attractive due to lower lifespan than LCD/Plasma, and FED (I was disappointed to see that SED was abandoned due to production cost), which is supposed to be better than LCD or Plasma in terms of picture quality and may yield lower production costs. First FED panel is supposed to be released at the end of next year in Japan.
 
I've read about some of those; I was thinking more about a simple upgrade from LCD/Plasma. Sony and Canon are backing OLED, which doesn't sound as attractive due to lower lifespan than LCD/Plasma, and FED (I was disappointed to see that SED was abandoned due to production cost), which is supposed to be better than LCD or Plasma in terms of picture quality and may yield lower production costs. First FED panel is supposed to be released at the end of next year in Japan.

FED seems a fairly decent technology - you inspired me to have a read and the disadvantages (the need for a vacuum far beyond that needed in conventional tubes) seem pretty big.

As for OLED, it seems the lifespan problem has been solved now - with new technology allowing reduced brightness, thereby doubling the display life to a level comparable with LCD. This seems a fairly decent new technology both in its quality and potential applications.
 
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