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"Sci Fi Channel" to change name to "Beyond"....skiffy's final defeat?

Re: "Sci Fi Channel" to change name to "Beyond"....skiffy's final defe

Continue the Saturday Night B Movie, but get some better stories. I know many do not like it but I consider this due to the poor story quality rather than cheap effects. And cheap filmmakers like Roger Corman launched many director and actor careers. I see the potential here but the story quaility really has to improve and not be so stupid.

But the thing is, a lot of the b-movies they run are from The Asylum, the studio that brought you Transmorphers, The Da Vinci Treasure, Snakes on a Train and the upcoming The Day the Earth Stopped. They're below Corman. They don't launch careers. They're where you go when your career is over (i.e. C. Thomas Howell, Greg Evigan).
 
Re: "Sci Fi Channel" to change name to "Beyond"....skiffy's final defe

I think the problem with the Scifi Channel is that it is currently run by people who have no idea what the genre is about. That god-awful Flash Gordon series is proof. Their reluctance to embrace a true scifi series is another. And by 'true' I mean series that is not afraid to actually include ships, aliens, etc.

If Scifi wants viewers, then they should provide decent scifi entertainment. And since for the past 30+ years that scifi has been one of THE top earning genres, one would think that this would not present such a big challenge to the Scifi channel.

Some ideas for improvement could include:

- Continuing to 'share' and develop programs with its parent company (NBC?). This gives the Scifi Network some more budget to work with not to mention the chance to expand its viewing audience.

- Use NBC's clout and run a DVD movie night and show more recent box-office hit films (Spider-man, Ironman, etc.)

- How about instead of running one series into the ground (Stargate SG1 is the prime offender here)- why not spread the wealth with other series and/or feature other syndicated shows? How about more Trek (at a decent hour), B5, MST3K, and so forth? Syndicated shows have always been big money to TV. There are a lot more out there than just Stargate.

Truth!

but that's my point: they're afraid to run "actual science fiction shows"....and seem to be dancing around it like a teenager afraid to lose their virginity. "ooh, um....oh geez, I dunno, maybe just a little"

I'm terribly sorry to use such a metaphor, but it really reminds me of "will they won't they" type reluctance you'd see on Dawson's Creek or whatever.

They're a "scifi channel" that is afraid that running "actual scifi" will "scare away mainstream viewers"

okay....what was "Iron Man"? What was "The Dark Knight"?

What are "Heroes" and "Fringe"?

I'd love it if Scifi Channel tried to make a new show in a similar tone to "Fringe" even.

They, who should be the guardians of quality science fiction TV programming, literally believe....the bad stereotype of what "scifi" is that I complain about the main networks holding:

That its "just for kids" or "a family show" and about "Bigfoot and ghosts"

ugh

Tell me: is Fringe, a show that starts with a plane full of people melting from a flesh-eating bacteria, a "family show"? I'm not even that big of a fan of Fringe nor do I think its very groundbreaking, but dang it, at least it can get the basics of an at LEAST half-way decent series right!

These are people who don't even believe in Science Fiction as a real art medium or social commentary.

its not a matter of "well what you think is "good scifi" is niche programming that will only gain a cult following of arthouse film fans, and the "unwashed ignorant masses that give us high ratings" don't want that".......Hey: if its a quality show, it will attract an audience. Trying to make shows "more accessible" on purpose, only lowers their quality.

(sigh)

at least they're running more anime that Cartoon Network does anymore....but this "Ani-Monday" thing is really just them grabbing one or two series and running them; they don't really promote it well or anything; I mean....the vibe I get is that its just them running an experiment and the execs in charge are ignoring it as part of their actual "programming"
 
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Re: "Sci Fi Channel" to change name to "Beyond"....skiffy's final defe

They're a "scifi channel" that is afraid that running "actual scifi" will "scare away mainstream viewers"

Exactly. The perversion that was the Flash Gordon series is a perfect example of this.
 
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It's a shame you Yanks don't get Space, it's more of a hard-core Sci-fi/fantasy/horror (in that order) channel than Sci-Fi has been in about a decade.

Space is fantastic.

Every single time I'm in Canada I get pulled in by something on that channel, even if I've seen it 100 times before. I'd be a very happy camper if Sci-Fi emulated Space instead of...hell, I don't know what they're trying to do. There are tons of genre shows that can't cost that much to air that are completely ignored.
What's the lineup like on Space?
 
Re: "Sci Fi Channel" to change name to "Beyond"....skiffy's final defe

They're a "scifi channel" that is afraid that running "actual scifi" will "scare away mainstream viewers"

Exactly. The perversion that was the Flash Gordon series is a perfect example of this.

So why did they OK the third Stargate series then?
 
Re: "Sci Fi Channel" to change name to "Beyond"....skiffy's final defe

It's a shame you Yanks don't get Space, it's more of a hard-core Sci-fi/fantasy/horror (in that order) channel than Sci-Fi has been in about a decade.

Space is fantastic.

Every single time I'm in Canada I get pulled in by something on that channel, even if I've seen it 100 times before. I'd be a very happy camper if Sci-Fi emulated Space instead of...hell, I don't know what they're trying to do. There are tons of genre shows that can't cost that much to air that are completely ignored.
What's the lineup like on Space?

This is a link to their current lineup. They also play good sci-fi movies every night (unedited, widescreen) of the week (horror movies friday night).

They don't have the kind of money needed to make their own sci-fi shows like Sci-Fi has in the past, but they've got a couple of good weekly shows that cover everything from comics to toys to behind the scenes looks at new movie and TV projects, interviews, etc.

http://www.spacecast.com/shows.aspx

Most importantly, it's a channel for geeks like us who like Sci-fi, and they "get it".
 
Re: "Sci Fi Channel" to change name to "Beyond"....skiffy's final defe

Most importantly, it's a channel for geeks like us who like Sci-fi, and they "get it".
So they're showing a buncha stuff from elsewhere, not much help to those of us who want someone to produce something new and original that's worth watching (and not more Fringe shows! we need SPACE OPERA*, high quality, a la BSG, not Stargate style!) To emulate that lineup, Skiffy would be bailing on all its original production scripted production (I have zero interest in reality TV or "news shows"). It does have a few worthwhile things in the hopper now.

But that lineup does prove that sci fi is far from "dead," it's just scattered all over.

*The only real space operas I've heard of on the horizon are Revolution - which I hope to hear gets greenlighted soon - and Going Boldly Nowhere - a comedy but I'm willing to stretch the definition of space opera if that's what it takes.
 
Re: "Sci Fi Channel" to change name to "Beyond"....skiffy's final defe

This is a link to their current lineup. They also play good sci-fi movies every night (unedited, widescreen) of the week (horror movies friday night).

They don't have the kind of money needed to make their own sci-fi shows like Sci-Fi has in the past, but they've got a couple of good weekly shows that cover everything from comics to toys to behind the scenes looks at new movie and TV projects, interviews, etc.

http://www.spacecast.com/shows.aspx

Most importantly, it's a channel for geeks like us who like Sci-fi, and they "get it".
Thanks. That is indeed mostly a good lineup, despite the "reality shows" (although I would like to see The Girly Ghosthunters :rommie:). They do have a much better mix than Sciffy currently has. And I like the idea of those weekly shows-- Sciffy used to have a show like that on Sunday mornings that I really liked.
 
Re: "Sci Fi Channel" to change name to "Beyond"....skiffy's final defe

I'll keep this short and to the point:

:guffaw::guffaw::guffaw:

You make quite a few assumptions based on rumors, heresay, and well, assumptions.

Talk about looking forward to a dystopian future! :lol:

You're right though that they fucked up a good thing when they split up the Stargates and BSG... but you know, Doctor Who isn't all that bad. In fact, its been far and away light years better than Stargate Atlantis the past two years. As for fucking up BSG's mojo with their interference, well, they reap what they sow. At least we're getting a proper conclusion to the series.

As for WWE being shown on Sci Fi, so what? If it keeps people like Hermiod happy, more power to them. And if Sci Fi changes its name, then perhaps all the nerds on earth won't expect so much from what it essentially is -- a low-rent joke of a network.

Why anyone is still surprised by any of this is ---wait for it--- beyond me.
 
Re: "Sci Fi Channel" to change name to "Beyond"....skiffy's final defe

^Doctor Who is also one of the only shows on sci-fi with a solid future-The American ratings might not be too high but it's a huge hit in Britain. Although it's going on a year hiatus for a few reasons, none of it has to deal with the ratings.
 
Re: "Sci Fi Channel" to change name to "Beyond"....skiffy's final defe

at least they're running more anime that Cartoon Network does anymore....but this "Ani-Monday" thing is really just them grabbing one or two series and running them; they don't really promote it well or anything; I mean....the vibe I get is that its just them running an experiment and the execs in charge are ignoring it as part of their actual "programming"

yeah I agree, but I hope they keep doing Ani-Mondays, I love Guren Lagaan & its a great way to check out some sci-fi anime movies & ovas. I really enjoyed Strait Jacket this week, way better than any of their live action B stuff.

I do agree they should promote them more & not in such a mocking tone. Maybe now that CN/AS is dumping anime they will make a better effort to embrace it. I mean thats a whole chunk of audience that CN just let go off, theyd be crazy not to try to do better to win them over.
 
Re: "Sci Fi Channel" to change name to "Beyond"....skiffy's final defe

Since SciFi is owned by NBC Universal, I'm surprised that they haven't pulled out a lot of their older stuff like seaQuest DSV and classic Knight Rider, along with whatever else they have. The Saturday night movie blocks would be much improved if they showed uncensored versions of movies like Aliens at midnight, with decent flicks leading up to it.
 
Re: "Sci Fi Channel" to change name to "Beyond"....skiffy's final defe

Space is fantastic.

Every single time I'm in Canada I get pulled in by something on that channel, even if I've seen it 100 times before. I'd be a very happy camper if Sci-Fi emulated Space instead of...hell, I don't know what they're trying to do. There are tons of genre shows that can't cost that much to air that are completely ignored.
What's the lineup like on Space?

This is a link to their current lineup. They also play good sci-fi movies every night (unedited, widescreen) of the week (horror movies friday night).

They don't have the kind of money needed to make their own sci-fi shows like Sci-Fi has in the past, but they've got a couple of good weekly shows that cover everything from comics to toys to behind the scenes looks at new movie and TV projects, interviews, etc.

http://www.spacecast.com/shows.aspx

Most importantly, it's a channel for geeks like us who like Sci-fi, and they "get it".

I can safely say that the reason why Space is so awesome is because the people running it are awesome. When someone suggested that they not return DS9 to the schedule this fall, it damned near launched a fistfight. There are nerds in charge of that channel that will not take that kind of horseshit.
 
Re: "Sci Fi Channel" to change name to "Beyond"....skiffy's final defe

I used to really enjoy Skiffy. They used to run some decent programming. Now, BSG is the black sheep of that network--one of the most popular shows they've ever had, and they plowed it into the ground.

It's no secret that Skiffy under Bonnie Hammer has been all about making cheap shows and movies--and the results speak for themselves. They do shows with contemporary settings because they're cheap bastards, not because they're trying to make good sci-fi television.
 
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