Even I have standards ("A Night in Sickbay")...

[Seven of Five]

This episode stunk really badly. If the writers were intentionally trying to make Archer look like a complete and utter moron, then they succeeded. Why on Earth he would take his Dog down to negotiations in the first place is beyond my comprehension. The Kreetasans were known to be an uptight civilisation, why would he risk everything by letting his dog pee on a tree? ESPECIALLY AS THEY'D HAD DEALINGS WITH THEM BEFORE AND KNEW THEM TO BE PARTICULARLY DIFFICULT TO WORK WITH. All the in the world aren't enough.

And making Archer and idiot wasn't enough; they had to drag Phlox down to his level. Horrible, yucky episode.

 

[cooleddie74]

The best part about ANiS is that it's acronym sounds like anus. And that's the most debate I got in me for this particular moon pie of an episode.

Believe me. I know the feeling to the micron.

 

[Philo]

Oh good, I was worried someone might think I was being unfair to moon pies.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I thought it was a pretty funny episode. I can think of dozens, if not hundreds, of Trek episodes I like less.

 

[number6]

Same here. I thought it was a fun episode. I don't really understand why most of the people here are so bitter about it.

 

[Philo]

I thought it was a pretty funny episode. I can think of dozens, if not hundreds, of Trek episodes I like less.

Dennis, your iconoclasm is something I can always count on.

 

[commodore64]

Same here. I thought it was a fun episode. I don't really understand why most of the people here are so bitter about it.

If you can answer this, then please feel free to answer the "why does Ent bring out such strong opinions" thread. No clue. I hate Harbinger, but I don't believe it ate my baby, harmed my brain cells or really anything other than wasted an hour of my time.

 

[Captain X]

Neither do people who hate ANiS. Just like we know none of the characters are real, and just like we know none of the actors were really in love with each other.

 

[number6]

Same here. I thought it was a fun episode. I don't really understand why most of the people here are so bitter about it.

If you can answer this, then please feel free to answer the "why does Ent bring out such strong opinions" thread. No clue. I hate Harbinger, but I don't believe it ate my baby, harmed my brain cells or really anything other than wasted an hour of my time.

Just looking at that thread gives me a headache. So many people think they're such an expert at writing for television. Go write something and get it produced for TV and then talk to me about how things should be done. Stop wasting everyone's time complaining endlessly about every bit of minutae. There are so many things that just make me shake my head and wonder why, why, why!!

This is why I post here so very little. It makes my retinas itch.

 

[Captain X]

Ah yes, you must first write and produce television and/or movies in order to be able to form an opinion about the quality of TV shows and/or movies. Yeah, that totally makes sense!

 

[number6]

Ah yes, you must first write and produce television and/or movies in order to be able to form an opinion about the quality of TV shows and/or movies. Yeah, that totally makes sense!

Right on cue!

 

[JiNX-01]

This is why I post here so very little. It makes my retinas itch.

Here's $5. Buy yourself some Murine.

We don't have to write for TV to know whether something is credible. We don't have to write scripts to know what we are or are not prepared to swallow.

 

[CaptainHawk1]

Same here. I thought it was a fun episode. I don't really understand why most of the people here are so bitter about it.

If you can answer this, then please feel free to answer the "why does Ent bring out such strong opinions" thread. No clue. I hate Harbinger, but I don't believe it ate my baby, harmed my brain cells or really anything other than wasted an hour of my time.

Just looking at that thread gives me a headache. So many people think they're such an expert at writing for television. Go write something and get it produced for TV and then talk to me about how things should be done. Stop wasting everyone's time complaining endlessly about every bit of minutae. There are so many things that just make me shake my head and wonder why, why, why!!

This is why I post here so very little. It makes my retinas itch.

Well, I hear what you're saying and you and I actually had a conversation on this at the Trek Convention in Vegas about this exact thing and I definitely agree with you that every jack-off out there with a remote control thinks they're an expert about the television/film production industry but it still doesn't mean that we can't recognize crap when we see it. I know a shitty episode when I see it, just like I know a shitty movie when I see it, Star Trek or not. ANiS is unwatchable for most of us out there but then again, I actually like Precious Cargo which everyone seems to hate almost as much, so WTF do I know. That being said, my complaints about the episode are pretty specific in that they wrote Archer to be complete retard in that episode and it was pretty offensive. Precious Cargo is just pure fluff but there's nothing particualrly wrong with it (other than being a recycled plotline from Quantum Leap and probably a hundred other TV series.) and I especially liked that tribunal scene... thought it was funny.

The problem with this thread and others like it (...and yes, I realize I started it) is that a criticism of a particular episode degenerates into a bashing of a series and then the vultures (i.e., the ENT haters) pounce. I like all Star Trek and although ENT isn't my favorite, I still don't think it's fair to treat this series like a complete piece of shit based on a couple of bad episodes because it's simply not that bad. ENT at its worse was still better than 90% of the other primetime offerings of any given TV season.

The biggest problem I'm noticing is that the deeper I get in to these discs of Season 2 (up to disc 5) the less excited I am about the episodes, but that's just because I'm a picky Trek fan.

Ah yes, you must first write and produce television and/or movies in order to be able to form an opinion about the quality of TV shows and/or movies. Yeah, that totally makes sense!

Right on cue!

Oh that's just too f*ing funny.

Thanks for keeping it light, Joel.

-Shawn

 

[number6]

This is why I post here so very little. It makes my retinas itch.

Here's $5. Buy yourself some Murine.

We don't have to write for TV to know whether something is credible. We don't have to write scripts to know what we are or are not prepared to swallow.

I think the story itself was credible in my opinion. In fact we had a rather interesting discussion about it a few weeks ago. I was responding to why I don't post in the "why do people have a strong opinion about Enterprise."

I thought the series as a whole had some great strengths and a few weaknesses, but I have my own opinions as to why this worked and something else didn't. It's my opinion but I'm not going to hammer away at someone for disagreeing. As I recall you got quite emotional about ANIS, and I shrugged and agreed to disagree instead of argue. After all it was a social occasion.

And besides, Murine costs $5.99!!

 

[JiNX-01]

This is why I post here so very little. It makes my retinas itch.

Here's $5. Buy yourself some Murine.

We don't have to write for TV to know whether something is credible. We don't have to write scripts to know what we are or are not prepared to swallow.

I think the story itself was credible in my opinion. In fact we had a rather interesting discussion about it a few weeks ago. I was responding to why I don't post in the "why do people have a strong opinion about Enterprise."

I thought the series as a whole had some great strengths and a few weaknesses, but I have my own opinions as to why this worked and something else didn't. It's my opinion but I'm not going to hammer away at someone for disagreeing. As I recall you got quite emotional about ANIS, and I shrugged and agreed to disagree instead of argue. After all it was a social occasion.

And besides, Murine costs $5.99!!

The check is in the mail. I do get emotional about ANIS. I was literally thrilled when I learned Scott was going to be on Star Trek. I had seen every episode of Quantum Leap and just knew he would be awesome. Then he turns up in the role of a character who is petulant, cranky, irritable and frankly, childish. ANIS magnified all of those negative traits. And just because he wises up by the end of the episode, doesn't erase the memory of his ass-inine behavior.

 

[number6]

Thanks for keeping it light, Joel.

-Shawn

It's what I do.

 

[number6]

Here's $5. Buy yourself some Murine.

We don't have to write for TV to know whether something is credible. We don't have to write scripts to know what we are or are not prepared to swallow.

I think the story itself was credible in my opinion. In fact we had a rather interesting discussion about it a few weeks ago. I was responding to why I don't post in the "why do people have a strong opinion about Enterprise."

I thought the series as a whole had some great strengths and a few weaknesses, but I have my own opinions as to why this worked and something else didn't. It's my opinion but I'm not going to hammer away at someone for disagreeing. As I recall you got quite emotional about ANIS, and I shrugged and agreed to disagree instead of argue. After all it was a social occasion.

And besides, Murine costs $5.99!!

The check is in the mail. I do get emotional about ANIS. I was literally thrilled when I learned Scott was going to be on Star Trek. I had seen every episode of Quantum Leap and just knew he would be awesome. Then he turns up in the role of a character who is petulant, cranky, irritable and frankly, childish. ANIS magnified all of those negative traits. And just because he wises up by the end of the episode, doesn't erase the memory of his ass-inine behavior.

No it doesn't. But that was the point of the episode. It's what he learns in the process and we see something we don't see in the development of a Starship captain, because we've been weaned on Kirk and Picard. Archer isn't there yet and this episode takes him closer to it.

I thought it was a fun romp of an episode. That's just how I see it. YMMV.

And I will take that check. I've posted far too much here!!

 

[CaptainHawk1]

I was literally thrilled when I learned Scott was going to be on Star Trek. I had seen every episode of Quantum Leap and just knew he would be awesome. Then he turns up in the role of a character who is petulant, cranky, irritable and frankly, childish. ANIS magnified all of those negative traits. And just because he wises up by the end of the episode, doesn't erase the memory of his ass-inine behavior.

Didn't I start a thread about that, too?

Yeah, I did...

http://trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=65404


I felt the same way you did. Archer's problem was two-fold: inconsistent writing (I'm not going to so far as to say bad) and Bakula's wooden performances.

-Shawn

 

[Gepard]

No it doesn't. But that was the point of the episode. It's what he learns in the process and we see something we don't see in the development of a Starship captain, because we've been weaned on Kirk and Picard. Archer isn't there yet and this episode takes him closer to it.

Which would be a great idea for a Trek episode. To bad we didn't get it--because the "lesson" Archer learned was something he should have found out when he was four flipping years old. Being the first starship captain has nothing to do with it. Being an inexperienced explorer has nothing to do with it. There is no justification for a "trained diplomat" treating anyone in a way any mature adult would never dream of treating fellow humans, nver mind a bunch of touchy aliens they already know can be offended at the drop of a hat. It's not some amazing leap of insight that needs a lesson to figure out.

 

[CaptainHawk1]

No it doesn't. But that was the point of the episode. It's what he learns in the process and we see something we don't see in the development of a Starship captain, because we've been weaned on Kirk and Picard. Archer isn't there yet and this episode takes him closer to it.

Which would be a great idea for a Trek episode. To bad we didn't get it--because the "lesson" Archer learned was something he should have found out when he was four flipping years old. Being the first starship captain has nothing to do with it. Being an inexperienced explorer has nothing to do with it. There is no justification for a "trained diplomat" treating anyone in a way any mature adult would never dream of treating fellow humans, nver mind a bunch of touchy aliens they already know can be offended at the drop of a hat. It's not some amazing leap of insight that needs a lesson to figure out.

I gotta agree with, Gep on this. Can you imagine an Ambassador from the U.S. bringing a dog to a meet and greet at the first meeting with a foreign leader who relations with are already strained and at the same time disregarding the local customs? It wouldn't happen.

Archer's problem in this ep. is less that he's not acting like the Trek Captains we know and love but it's the fact that he turned into Michael Scott from The Office, i.e. an absolute buffoon pretending to be a professional adult. As generic at times Archer had been for the first season-plus, he was never a complete idiot like he was in this ep. I mean, the whole thing is a complete departure from character for even Archer.

-Shawn