So you don't think they can adapt? They're all going to stay there and drown?
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North Pole ice completely vanishes this year?
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Not all of the world are oil millionaires. Where will the displaced people go? The same people who decry the science of global warming are the same people who are anti-immigration. They are usually the same people who have turned a blind eye to the millions starving and suffering in the world.
I don't know, but I'm sure that they won't be abandoned to live in hip deep sea water.
Irrelevant speculation.
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The UK no doubt.
wow. i mean, dude? do you realize how much land is lost in just a one meter rise?
entire islands? huge swaths of florida? thousands of square miles in the gulf
coast alone?
And then, what you don't seem to get is that the increase is aon a parabolic curve. The hotter it gets, the faster it gets hotter.
Its not going to be one meter a century for any century except maybe this
one if we are that lucky.
Its going to be six inches deeper for the next decade, a foot for the decade after that, 3 feet deeper for the decade after that, 10 feet deeper for the decade after that, all the way up to 90 feet deeper.
ALL of that probably well before the next century is up.
And THAT is only ONE part of the problem. Theres also the simple fact that with global warming you get more water evaporated off the ocean and thus
increasingly larger and more powerful storms. (we are already seeing storms more frequently, in the last 10 years there have been as many serious hurricanes as in the previous 50.)
Then theres the problem of failed atmospheric movements or layers and currents, such that all that water dumps at landfall and doesn't go inland.
So you can expect the coast to get rain in the feet or meters instead of inches, and inland to get next to no rain at all.
AND THEN you have 100 times more chance of cancers caused by the sun,
you have daytime temperatures at the equator of 150 degrees F, and the millions of people who are killed by heat stroke etc.
AND THEN you have mass climate failure, a sudden increase in ecological niches for fungus, molds, and skin eating etc. As well as a climate insects will thrive in; until theres nothing left for them to eat- but US.
Obviously, you don't understand how this plays out.
The N.Pole melting won't change sea levels but the horror story comes if Greenland melts then scientists expect sea levels to rise a lot - that's at least 7 m
Florida and lots of the Gulf coast will be under sea,
the Dutch, Poland and Germany are in serious trouble
large chunks of Brazil and Mexico get screwed up
major cities like Tokyo, St Petersberg, Washington DC, Melbourne are near sea level and get wiped out
The nation of Bangladesh becomes a modern day Atlantis
Lots of Britain will become part of the Ocean, with much of England from threat of submerging
UK people might want to think about buying up the Scottish mountainous areas
Florida and lots of the Gulf coast will be under sea,
the Dutch, Poland and Germany are in serious trouble
large chunks of Brazil and Mexico get screwed up
major cities like Tokyo, St Petersberg, Washington DC, Melbourne are near sea level and get wiped out
The nation of Bangladesh becomes a modern day Atlantis
Lots of Britain will become part of the Ocean, with much of England from threat of submerging
UK people might want to think about buying up the Scottish mountainous areas
This is not somthing that has yet to start. It has already begun. And when millions become displaced and have to move it means a massive potential for war. The Darfur conflict in Sudan is a climate war: the drought is destroying vegetation and thus the settled people and the nomads fight each other over every last piece of habitable soil.
cause and effect are imutable, your exxon funded skepticism is insane.
Actually, it's me who funds Exxon.
It seems that so many people have the idea that Earth's climate has been steady for thousands of years until this past century, when it's been slowly warming. It's obvious by looking at past climate history that for most of the past million years the Earth has been in various 'ice ages' separated by short warm periods, one of which we're currently in. How do we know that our effect on Earth's climate won't be negated when natural processes plunge Earth into its next regularly scheduled ice age?
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The N.Pole melting won't change sea levels but the horror story comes if Greenland melts then scientists expect sea levels to rise a lot - that's at least 7 m
Florida and lots of the Gulf coast will be under sea,
the Dutch, Poland and Germany are in serious trouble
large chunks of Brazil and Mexico get screwed up
major cities like Tokyo, St Petersberg, Washington DC, Melbourne are near sea level and get wiped out
The nation of Bangladesh becomes a modern day Atlantis
Lots of Britain will become part of the Ocean, with much of England from threat of submerging
UK people might want to think about buying up the Scottish mountainous areas
Those images can't be right!!!!!!! where did you get it from?
I've used that google flood map and had it up as far as a 14 meter sea level rise and where I live was always safe on that map, at least a few miles from the 'new' coastline. I even checked how high my town is above sea level and worked it out for myself and even my own calculations showed that my town would be safe but according to that map of yours i'm screwed..
Fact is, we "know" with a probability of 99% by the reports of the IPCC. Reports that by political pressure are as conservative and as much sided on the side of scepticism as possible.
We know it's different this time around. And there is a decisive difference between a regular ice age and the warming we experience right now: a chemical reaction in a cooler environment just slows down. Yet when the heat is turned up, reaction speed increases exponentially. And it is a fact that living systems have zero to no tolerance for changes in temperature. Take the human human body which works best at 37° Celcius. Two degrees more makes you ill, and five degrees more can kill you. That is what we are talking about, globally.
The temperature outside my house varies by as much as 90 degrees throughout the year, yet so far my body has made it through alive, and at a relatively constant temperature.
I have no doubt that global climate change will affect the flora and fauna of our planet--some for the better and some for the worse--but I don't necessarily believe in the doomsday scenario that several people here seem to be predicting. I guess time will tell.
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Speaking as someone who's researched what the sea level rise would do to NYC in 100 years, we will lose a ridiculous amount of land in just a 38cm rise in sea level.
http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/2001/2001_Gornitz_etal.pdf
An interesting paper from NASA, albeit from 2001, on the subject of sea level rise any New York City, just as an example.
A one meter sea level rise would be catastrophic in some areas of the world.
And, prometheuspan, unless you can prove that the research someone is mentioning was conducted by Exxon, please stop leveling that accusation. We are here to talk science, not the politics of government funding.
http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/2001/2001_Gornitz_etal.pdf
An interesting paper from NASA, albeit from 2001, on the subject of sea level rise any New York City, just as an example.
A one meter sea level rise would be catastrophic in some areas of the world.
And, prometheuspan, unless you can prove that the research someone is mentioning was conducted by Exxon, please stop leveling that accusation. We are here to talk science, not the politics of government funding.
it would seem to be a vicious circle.
Yes, thats true. At a rate which humans have now multiplied by a factor of possibly millions.
RATE of change. a 1 degree difference over a million years is pretty slow compared to a 50 degree difference in 100 years.
Nature adapts to slow change. Change at this rate is a whole nother thing.
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Our average global temperature haven't risen 50 degrees in the past 100 years, so I'll have to assume your comment is hyperbole.
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I'm not talking the last 100 years, I'm talking about the NEXT 100 years.
global temperature has risen almost two degrees since 1950.
global temperature has risen almost two degrees since 1950.
The next 100 years hasn't happened yet, so as I've said several times, it remains to be seen what will happen.
And two degrees in fifty years is not fifty degrees in 100 years.
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Talking to you is hopeless. You have already made up your mind and you prefer to be clueless and ignorant. Fine, be clueless and ignorant.
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