Oh, and how do you know that? Nobody ever went into the nitty gritty physics of temporal mechanics. The simple fact is, that that scene was written that way.
If "no one ever went into the nitty gritty physics of temporal mechanics" then the quantum method you described cant be proven either. I maintain that time travel works the way I said within the terminator universe simply because of the effects shown.
The effects shown support my vies, not yours.
Wrong, it DOES matter when an object is sent back. If you're idea is correct, the moment an object or person is sent back and alters history, everything from that point on is changed. Which means, there is NEVER a time to send anyone or anything after the first time traveler and stop them. Whoever sends the first wins automatically. The only way for you to be able to send anyone or anything after the first time traveler, is if the change isn't instantaneous, and the only way that can happen, is through quantum physics.
I just dont see time in the Terminator universe being that way inclined. Both the T-1000 and T-800 are sent back to point X in the past, when there they do what they do and the T-800 keeps Connor alive. By being kept alive, connor knows that a T-800 is sent back in time to keep him safe, and he can repeat that in the future. So, so as long as Connor, (or anyone for that matter) actually does send the T-800 back in time to point X, then time will continue as it did. that is why it matters not when the T-800 is sent back, the only thing that matters is that it is sent back, as the key events in this loop are in the past (from the people who send the robots back pov).
That doesn't make sense. Your view means that you can't change the past. What you sent back, was ALWAYS sent back, and have however much time you take, to sent the next thing back which was ALWAYS sent back. In short, you get a predestination time travel paradox. This works in T1, however, with T2, T3 and the Sara Connor chronicles it is based upon the premise that you CAN change time.
And if you can change time, then the first time traveler changes time, and if you don't take in quantum mechanics, everything is immediately changed, so you can't send anyone or anything after it.
Your view, requires one to be able to eat your cake and have it to. You somehow want to be able to change time, yet when you travel to the past no time is changed, otherwise you would be gone and have no way to send anything else after the first. If time changes, then you can't send another time traveler after the first to stop him from changing time, because time will have changed the moment you send someone back. So to be able to send another traveler, time can't have been changed upon sending the first traveler, yet T2, T3, and Sarah Connor Chronicles are based upon time changing.
The only two ways you can both eat the cake and have it too are the following:
1. Alternate timeline. Every time travel splits off another timeline. The original timeline remains intact, while the new one is a changed one, both time lines exist. But what's the point of time travel then? You'll never see a change in your own, you'll never see your time travelers appear in your past, it's entirely useless.
2. Quantum physics. Only in Quantum Physics can you both have your cake, and eat it too. But only for a finite amount of time. Sooner rather than later the quantum probability is going to collapse and then you'll have either eaten your cake, or have it. This last option seems to fit T2, T3 and Sarah Connor Chronicles the best. This allows one to change time, yet still have a finite amount of time to do something to counteract the attempted change of time.
What if there is a possibility Cameron was never reprogrammed? She chose to override her program once, what if in the future she chose to override her programming to help the Restistance? This is only conjecture at this point, but given her shrouded origins could be possible. Cameron had to be built by Skynet; no doubt remains now. Otherwise there would be no "Terminate John Connor" directive. She would now possess free will, a trait we have never seen from the machines before, as no Terminator has been shown to go against their primary programming.
Yes, we have. Both the T-800 and T-850 overrode their programming. The T-800 in defying John Connor's orders. The T-850 in overriding the T-X's reprogramming, and even keeping some of its personality despite it.
Again, this is not learning, this is storing information.
Ok, then how do you rationalize the terminator saying that he is read-only, a term which specifically applies to writing information on drives? I know you said this:
No, read-only is NOT a term that specifically applies to drives, indeed, it hardly EVER is applied to drives, it's applied to memory most of the time. Also, he didn't say his memory was read-only, he said is CPU was read-only. Those are two completely different things. And in fact, I've said so multiple times over, so you don't seem to be willing to understand this.
Again, see above. Writing to memory, and the chip itself being able to write are two entirely different things.
The only difference is just how the data is stored, randomly, or not. Not exactly a big difference.
Plus, I'm pretty sure the terminators on this show at least write stuff to a drive, not just RAM, otherwise the reboot when electrocuted would cause them to forget any information stored since their last boot.
No, it has nothing to do with data being stored, randomly or not - no data is EVER stored randomly. Randomly stored data equals no data at all. You don't understand how computers function, obviously. You do not understand the difference between a neural net computer chip, and a static computer chip. Go look them up, unless you understand the true nitty gritty of what a simple computer does, and how it manipulates data, you'll obviously never understand what I'm talking about. Hell, it seems your even too pigheaded to learn what I've been trying to tell you, as you keep yourself forced into one mode of thinking, without bothering to think about what I've written, as above.
So even though the T-1000 finally did what he thought finished off the T-800 doesn't count as learning? If all he cared about was moving on at that point, he would've just left the T-800 instead of stabbing him and all that. He learned.
He didn't learn, not at all. It simply continued on its programmed course:
1. Kill John Connor.
2. If something is in way of killing John Connor, remove obstacle.
In the factory, the only way to remove the obstacle was to kill it, so it went about doing that. Before it didn't need to, so it didn't bother because, the moment it can go back to the prime directive it did so. The T-800 simply finally made itself too much of an obstacle that it couldn't default back to directive 1, unless directive 2 was made sure of.
There's no learning involved, it simply keeps running the programmed responses constantly.
Truly learning, would be able to ammend those directives. It would require it to reason, and say, "Look, directive 1 needs to be achieved, and the best way to do that, even is something is not an obstacle now, is to make sure it can't be an obstacle, so I'm going change my programming. I'm going to put directive 1 on hold, I'm going to modify two into adding future projections based upon past experience, I'll calculate changes of possible success and I'll now assign directive 2 greater importance that directive 1."
Suddenly, his programming would become:
1. Kill obstacle.
2. Kill John Connor.
A static computer can't do this, a static computer can only run a program, a set of consequtive rules, and any moment it'll check whether the current circumstances fit those rules, and it'll execute that rule.
And the T-1000 never did this either.
I believe the T-1000 wouldn't have such a switch because just how could it be activated? It would essentially be a useless unit.
Why would it need to be activated? The T-800s, according to Skynet did just fine without it active. So why would the T-1000 require it active?
It wasn't stationary when it had access to thousands of mobile units and nuclear artillery. There's a huge difference between that kind of computer, and a stoppable machine.
Of course not. A computer is a computer, whether it's mobile or not. A non-mobile computer would be easier to find and attack. The Terimnator, just like Skynet, would build its own army to attack Skynet and humanity with. Skynet reasoned it needed an army, and ever better army, and built one, and kept improving. This Terminator would do the same if it decided it needed to.
This doesn't make any sense. T2 is a story that does not have predestination, unlike T1. The terminators were sent back and they managed to at least delay Judgment Day, changing the outcome. If we're counting deleted scenes, they prevented it completely. Since the future was changed, outcomes would be different. If he sent back Kyle, and this time Kyle happened to conceive a child with Sarah, it may not be the exact same child that grows up into this John. The past has been altered and that version of the future erased. So John knowing that a T-800 was sent back and that he had his switch off implies predestination and that things cannot be changed. But things were changed, and every terminator movie or show since T2 has gone with this idea.
This has nothing to do with pre-destination, it's all got to do with the past, and you've won. If you've won, why would you continue trying to change the past? Your meddling could cause you to LOSE instead. So when you DO have to send things back in the past, because your enemy has already done so, why would you change it from what you remember? You would try to keep it as unchanged as you can, because you know that has the largest chance of leading to the desired outcome, because it already lead to the desired outcome. However, if you go about making changes even before you send something back, you might change the past in ways you don't want them changed, cause the T-1000 to succeed, you die a 10-year-old, and the machines win. Why would you possibly take that chance?
And no, the "Fuck you, asshole?" was entirely NOT learned. It simply dredged up all possible responses from its memory, then some type of subroutine chose which response, and the Terminate spoke this response.
It's funny that Skynet put that kind of thing in there then.
Why? If it couldn't speak, and could speak nothing new, it'd never be able to blend in, get picked out far too easily, and get blown to bits far too easilly.
Where did it pop up in the show?
I'm pretty sure he said he made her in this very episode. I think he's said it before, too. He could just be implying he made her new programming, but that was some pretty shoddy programming if there's some sort of hard wired terminate John Connor directive.
It would be even bigger shoddy programming and construction if he build a a robot from the ground up and HE decided to give it a hard-wired "terminate me" directive. "Hey, you know what? It isn't like I don't have enough Terminators trying to kill me, let's build another that wants do that! Fun!"
