remastered..THUMBS DOWN

[number6]

^Too bad. Your Trek was designed to be watched on a 1966 RCA color set and not HD. You can either go out and buy one so you can see it as the producers intended or see it in HD with new fx and deal with it. That's your only choice if you want to be a "purist." Sounds like a bunch of spoiled whining to me!

 

[3D Master]

^Too bad. Your Trek was designed to be watched on a 1966 RCA color set and not HD. You can either go out and buy one so you can see it as the producers intended or see it in HD with new fx and deal with it. That's your only choice if you want to be a "purist." Sounds like a bunch of spoiled whining to me!

Ah, there we are. So all the bits about "the originals are still there", is really a bunch of useless platitudes I knew they were. To hell with history, to hell with people's efforts, to hell with art! Time for the 3D CGI Mona Lisa boys, toss the original away, we can do better!

 

[Outpost4]

So I will enjoy both.

You enjoy your one.

What is the issue here really? *boggles*

I can NOT enjoy that one. THAT is the issue. I have this nifty HD tv, a blu-ray player, and would now like to enjoy Star Trek in its full HD glory. Except that the only HD versions that exists, have these horribly bad CGI shots in there, instead of the non-CGI original versions that I enjoy.

As a guy who got on the HD DVD bandwagon early, let me remind you it's a totally dead format. There is no Trek out for your Blu-ray player.

Of all the video forums I'm on, and it's quite a few, this is the first time I've seen anybody lament not the death of HD DVD but the content that was released on it. We all have known that hard-core Trekkies are some of the most extreme folks in the world. It's nice to have it verified once again.

Especially if you have a Blu-ray player, may I strongly suggest you move on?

^Too bad. Your Trek was designed to be watched on a 1966 RCA color set and not HD. You can either go out and buy one so you can see it as the producers intended or see it in HD with new fx and deal with it. That's your only choice if you want to be a "purist." Sounds like a bunch of spoiled whining to me!

Ah, there we are. So all the bits about "the originals are still there", is really a bunch of useless platitudes I knew they were. To hell with history, to hell with people's efforts, to hell with art! Time for the 3D CGI Mona Lisa boys, toss the original away, we can do better!

Sorry. number6 does not speak for all Trekkies, and certainly doesn't speak for Paramount or CBS. Nice overgeneralization on your part, though.

Maybe when Star Trek does come out on Blu-ray, CBS will do what I wish they'd done with the season one HD DVD box and put both the regular and the remastered versions out in hi-def.

 

[trevanian]

^Too bad. Your Trek was designed to be watched on a 1966 RCA color set and not HD. You can either go out and buy one so you can see it as the producers intended or see it in HD with new fx and deal with it. That's your only choice if you want to be a "purist." Sounds like a bunch of spoiled whining to me!

Sounds like a simpering moron to me. As has been pointed out often enough, whatever the show was intended to be seen upon, the films have been projected with spectacular results at conventions. Even in 16mm, the shows looked good projected. So the HD argument, such as you and the rethinkproducers would make it, is dead from well before the onset. 35mm -- even scratched, grainy, or faded 35mm -- still trumps the quickly knocked-out -r stuff.

I bet you can't wait till somebody decides there are too many stock shots in THE PRISONER so they do a virtual village that they can put a cg #6 into to create sweeping new walkthroughs to make the show work for HD audiences (HD standing for Heavily Dumbeddown)

 

[number6]

^Too bad. Your Trek was designed to be watched on a 1966 RCA color set and not HD. You can either go out and buy one so you can see it as the producers intended or see it in HD with new fx and deal with it. That's your only choice if you want to be a "purist." Sounds like a bunch of spoiled whining to me!

Sounds like a simpering moron to me. As has been pointed out often enough, whatever the show was intended to be seen upon, the films have been projected with spectacular results at conventions. Even in 16mm, the shows looked good projected. So the HD argument, such as you and the rethinkproducers would make it, is dead from well before the onset. 35mm -- even scratched, grainy, or faded 35mm -- still trumps the quickly knocked-out -r stuff.

I bet you can't wait till somebody decides there are too many stock shots in THE PRISONER so they do a virtual village that they can put a cg #6 into to create sweeping new walkthroughs to make the show work for HD audiences (HD standing for Heavily Dumbeddown)

Since the Prisoner is about the stories and not the tech, I doubt this will happen and if it did, I have the original versions on DVD so you won't hear from me the petty, pedantic, childish, crybaby, retarded whining that dominates this forum.

 

[Mallory]

Alright guys, post not poster. OK?

 

[Ssosmcin]

Eh, I don't get what yer all complainaing about. Unless you have the VHS tapes or the Laserdiscs, you don't have the originals anyway. Imagine if everyone talked about the redone sound mix with all the music changes and additions as much as the visual effects.

That just proves I'm in the upper tier of Trekkiness. Now if you will excuse me, I need to have my dinner sent down to my mom's basement....

 

[MANT!]

As one who has Season 1 and 2 remastered in my collection as well as a few of the 2 episode DVDs ..I'm able to judge the remasters vs the old effects side by side with my up converting DVD player..the effects in the early re-masters were a little jarring, but as time went on, it seemed to get better and better.. CBS Digital tried to please everyone by erring on the side of caution for the most part..nice touches were the animated series inspired freighters and cargoships..as well as the "space microbus" used in 3 episodes (Mudd's women, Operation Annihilate, and The Way to Eden)..the Botany Bay, true Klingon ships in episodes that didn't have em.. early remasters had the Big E looking a little flat, but they did improve on that over time. Remembering the shows as they were broadcast on NBC affiliates in the 60s ,considering the picture quality on our RCA Vistacolor 19' color electron tube set with the tubes heating and constantly going out of tune with each other http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S60N2W5xzk&feature=related
(and that set had the highest rating for picture quality in the mid to late 60s), the original effects were superb for the time, but with the stated up converting DVD player and an HDTV, the graininess of the original effects shots were very noticeable and more jarring to me than the remastered shots that CBS Digital has done..


But "Purist" Trek fans are not alone in this rejection of digital "reality"
Bonanza fans are also getting into the act..
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/11/magazine/11wwln-medium-t.html?fta=y

At the same time, in the face of an F.C.C. edict that will terminate all analog broadcasting in 2009 — the so-called “analog sunset” — a wild bunch of television fans are also insisting on a retro aesthetic: old color shows on old color sets. Those who appreciated the turquoise and lipstick red of the early sets, which used different phosphors than later color televisions, have clustered online. On YouTube, a poster called TeslaMaster has gone so far as to upload a video of a restored 1956 RCA television showing an episode of “Bonanza.” One catch: the online video is, of course, digitized; to catch “Gunsmoke” or “Bonanza” as they would have appeared in the 1950s, you’ll need to restore an old RCA set yourself

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHsTW-RFW3M&feature=related

As for me, I live in the 21st century..

the Remastering gets a big Thumbs up from me...

 

[Saga]

i always saw Remastered as having two objectives.

1: keep the fans interested till the new movie comes out. why should i watch the originals when i have them on vhs/dvd already? they have CGI now! oh, i must watch!

B: make money. Remastered makes the third time (i believe) that TOS has been released on DVD.

 

[trevanian]

^Too bad. Your Trek was designed to be watched on a 1966 RCA color set and not HD. You can either go out and buy one so you can see it as the producers intended or see it in HD with new fx and deal with it. That's your only choice if you want to be a "purist." Sounds like a bunch of spoiled whining to me!

Sounds like a simpering moron to me. As has been pointed out often enough, whatever the show was intended to be seen upon, the films have been projected with spectacular results at conventions. Even in 16mm, the shows looked good projected. So the HD argument, such as you and the rethinkproducers would make it, is dead from well before the onset. 35mm -- even scratched, grainy, or faded 35mm -- still trumps the quickly knocked-out -r stuff.

I bet you can't wait till somebody decides there are too many stock shots in THE PRISONER so they do a virtual village that they can put a cg #6 into to create sweeping new walkthroughs to make the show work for HD audiences (HD standing for Heavily Dumbeddown)

Since the Prisoner is about the stories and not the tech, I doubt this will happen and if it did, I have the original versions on DVD so you won't hear from me the petty, pedantic, childish, crybaby, retarded whining that dominates this forum.

Ahh, but you don't have THE PRISONER on HD ... until you're in the same viewing situation the rest of us find ourselves in w/ TREK, you don't KNOW how you'd react to such a rethink/cashin/desecration.

And to addresss the last of your blather ... having concerns about visual quality and standards when you're discussing a teleVISION series doesn't strike me as petty or pedantic or childish or crybaby, to hit those odd little alliteratives you employ to tar any number of posters.

 

[trevanian]

As for me, I live in the 21st century..

That kind of 'when in rome' summing-up reminds me of an exchange in THE MAIN. The veteran cop finds the young cop drinking ouzo in a Greek restaurant and asks why he is drinking that stuff. The young cop says, because it is greek.

The veteran cops says, good thing you weren't in an arab bar, you'd be drinking camel piss.

 

[Outpost4]

And given your logic, in the process of restoring my 90 year old house, I should turn off the indoor plumbing and go back to using the old two-holer that is boarded up in the garage.

 

[trevanian]

And given your logic, in the process of restoring my 90 year old house, I should turn off the indoor plumbing and go back to using the old two-holer that is boarded up in the garage.

Only if it is more aesthetically pleasing to you (which is the continually missed aspect by some posters on this argument), but remember, the moderator said we weren't supposed to be commenting on posters, just on posts.

 

[number6]

Sounds like a simpering moron to me. As has been pointed out often enough, whatever the show was intended to be seen upon, the films have been projected with spectacular results at conventions. Even in 16mm, the shows looked good projected. So the HD argument, such as you and the rethinkproducers would make it, is dead from well before the onset. 35mm -- even scratched, grainy, or faded 35mm -- still trumps the quickly knocked-out -r stuff.

I bet you can't wait till somebody decides there are too many stock shots in THE PRISONER so they do a virtual village that they can put a cg #6 into to create sweeping new walkthroughs to make the show work for HD audiences (HD standing for Heavily Dumbeddown)

Since the Prisoner is about the stories and not the tech, I doubt this will happen and if it did, I have the original versions on DVD so you won't hear from me the petty, pedantic, childish, crybaby, retarded whining that dominates this forum.

Ahh, but you don't have THE PRISONER on HD ... until you're in the same viewing situation the rest of us find ourselves in w/ TREK, you don't KNOW how you'd react to such a rethink/cashin/desecration.

And to addresss the last of your blather ... having concerns about visual quality and standards when you're discussing a teleVISION series doesn't strike me as petty or pedantic or childish or crybaby, to hit those odd little alliteratives you employ to tar any number of posters.

I've seen Trek in HD and in SD. I think the orginal FX look horrible by today's standards. I think the new FX look good and in some cases better. I have TOS on Video and DVD. If Paramount (who OWNS Star Trek) want to give it a facelift for its 40th anniversary, good for them. If I decided to go ahead and buy that set on DVD, its my choice. If you want to endlessly whine about how they "ruined it" that's your choice. I think its pretty dumb, considering the originals are out there on DVD and you can go and watch those while the rest of us check out this new version. I have the Prisoner on Video and DVD. If they chose to redo it in HD, of course I'll check it out and if I like what I see, maybe I'll buy it for myself. If I don't like it, I'm not going to post on a Prisoner forum whining like a spoiled brat about it. It's a waste of time. But you can do what you want to do. I'll keep coming in here and laughing my ass off. It's like watching jocks argue about tampons.

 

[Ghrakh]

The updated fx look great given their brief screen time. They've lost the original charm, but they don't interfere with the content, so no complaints here.

 

[A beaker full of death]

If Paramount (who OWNS Star Trek)...

as I keep pointing out, ownership of the rights is morally and artistically irrelevant. It just gives them the right to make money off it.
Michael Jackson cannot rewrite Sgt. Pepper's and call it new Beatles material just because he owns the rights.

 

[trevanian]

If Paramount (who OWNS Star Trek)...

as I keep pointing out, ownership of the rights is morally and artistically irrelevant. It just gives them the right to make money off it.
Michael Jackson cannot rewrite Sgt. Pepper's and call it new Beatles material just because he owns the rights.

Forget it man, these folks probably LIKE the gold dinner jacket in the colorized CASABLANCA, too. Eyes wander if they aren't constantly dazzled, I guess (or perhaps eyes wander when the mind isn't constantly being dazed.)

 

[Brutal Strudel]

The original effects have aged like fine wine, getting better and better each passing year, as our eyesight deteriorates. So I have no idea why they would want to make a new version of the effects that might appeal to people other than me.

Jeeze, they'll let anyone into our special group these days.

Kids these days. Always wanting to be entertained. Dumbasses. They're adding onto my lawn again. Well, it's not my lawn per se, but I like looking at it. So I call it my lawn.

Whoops, it's a full moon again. Sorry.

How well is that working out? Coz I'm willing to lay odds that the only "kids" watching TOS-R are TOS-hating modern Trek fans and very few of them. Indeed, if its going AWOL from many markets (I have no idea what WPSG in Phila has done with it--its old slot is now filled with Saved by the Bell) is any indication, I'd say it appeals to very few people period.

Oh well. Its only Star Trek.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

All of the original mattes have been improved on by the Remastered digital versions. The space shots range from remarkably good to so-so.

^Too bad. Your Trek was designed to be watched on a 1966 RCA color set and not HD. You can either go out and buy one so you can see it as the producers intended or see it in HD with new fx and deal with it. That's your only choice if you want to be a "purist." Sounds like a bunch of spoiled whining to me!

Ah, there we are. So all the bits about "the originals are still there", is really a bunch of useless platitudes I knew they were.

Nope. All the bits about "the originals are still there" are pointing out that the originals are still there and that you can watch them any time you like. There's no reason at all that other people shouldn't be able to choose the Remastered versions if they like - nor are they wrong if they disagree with the assertion that the originals are better.

 

[3D Master]

All of the original mattes have been improved on by the Remastered digital versions. The space shots range from remarkably good to so-so.

^Too bad. Your Trek was designed to be watched on a 1966 RCA color set and not HD. You can either go out and buy one so you can see it as the producers intended or see it in HD with new fx and deal with it. That's your only choice if you want to be a "purist." Sounds like a bunch of spoiled whining to me!

Ah, there we are. So all the bits about "the originals are still there", is really a bunch of useless platitudes I knew they were.

Nope. All the bits about "the originals are still there" are pointing out that the originals are still there and that you can watch them any time you like. There's no reason at all that other people shouldn't be able to choose the Remastered versions if they like - nor are they wrong if they disagree with the assertion that the originals are better.

The originals are NOT there. They do not exist in any HD format, and the its going now, they never will be.