Isn't one reason they don't want to call it a prequel because the timeline for the film spans the 23rd and 24th centuries? Also, there's the possibility that some of it could take place concurrently with TOS.
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They have already stated that it will in fact look different. I'm pretty sure that someone (was it Orci?, Kurtzman?) used the phrase "re-imagined aesthetic" in an interview a year or so ago. I'm not sure what else you want them to admit.
I never really thought there was much question anymore about whether or not it will look the same, and the ship in the teaser trailer underscores that. Whether or not that footage will be used, or if that is the EXACT design we will see for the Enterprise, the message from the teaser is clear that things will look at least a little different.
The bottom line is this:
If they tell me that it is the same ship that we saw in TOS, then -- for the purposes of this film -- I will see it as the same ship used in TOS. It looks similar enough for me to "swallow" that idea.
I finally watched it. One of the kids asks if they can do the Vulcan Salute. I love how Kurtzman says, "You know what, my hands--" and then just sort of tries to do it or something and Orci just totally whips out his Vulcan Salute like he was going "What? Oh, you wanted to see this?"
It better not look like the 6 foot model that GR used in TOS in the '60's. This is 2008(9), controls and panels on the original 60's show are out-dated for US today, let alone in the 23rd century. Changing what the equipment looks like DOES NOT make it a reboot.
So did you consider TMP uncanon for the different looking Klingons? What about the shapeshifting Saavik?
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IIRC, the ship has been redesigned to varying degrees for each film.
The TMP ship was a result of GR stating that the old 1701 would look silly on the big screen. That's why it was redesigned.
As far as the ship for the film. I'm going to wait and see. Supposedly this film will take place over several time periods, being more of an origins story.
I expect there to be some artistic liscense here and there. That's to be expected. Every Trek series and film had elements of it and I seriously doubt this new film will be any exception.
If the story is a good one, I'm not going to piss and moan that they got the carpeting wrong. That's just childish.
Nor am I going to go into every single fucking thread and complain about things not going exactly my way. I'm not making this film. I have no input. I am ok with that. sorry that you aren't, but then you're not going to see this film anyway.
The TMP ship was a result of GR stating that the old 1701 would look silly on the big screen. That's why it was redesigned.
As far as the ship for the film. I'm going to wait and see. Supposedly this film will take place over several time periods, being more of an origins story.
I expect there to be some artistic liscense here and there. That's to be expected. Every Trek series and film had elements of it and I seriously doubt this new film will be any exception.
If the story is a good one, I'm not going to piss and moan that they got the carpeting wrong. That's just childish.
Nor am I going to go into every single fucking thread and complain about things not going exactly my way. I'm not making this film. I have no input. I am ok with that. sorry that you aren't, but then you're not going to see this film anyway.
Wasn't that more of how Bob Wise described the ship from the series? He also felt the same about the uniforms.
But how did you accept the Klingons? Isn't thier look canon as much as the ship? Remeber that the new look went unexplained for 30 years.
*holds head in hands*
The original show contridicted itself week to fucking week. The Enterprise didn't look the same in two continuous shots, for crying out loud.
The models didn't match up.
Explain that one away, Matt. These people are doing everything possible to keep this movie within the spirit of the original show. That's good enough for me.
No wonder the rest of the world laughs at Star Trek fans - they think we treat the show like its the fucking bible and every word like the gospel.
Its a story.
The original show contridicted itself week to fucking week. The Enterprise didn't look the same in two continuous shots, for crying out loud.
The models didn't match up.
Explain that one away, Matt. These people are doing everything possible to keep this movie within the spirit of the original show. That's good enough for me.
No wonder the rest of the world laughs at Star Trek fans - they think we treat the show like its the fucking bible and every word like the gospel.
Its a story.
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Exactly. The idea that there is any kind of canon throughout the Original Series is a joke. And if a Trek movie came out with the same designs as the 1960's TV show, it would rightly be laughed out of the cinema.
The TMP Klingons were not recast, they were completely different in every respect. So you can redesign the look of alien races but not ships and still remain within the all-hallowed canon?
Which would finally make up your mind to see it? Or not see it?
Exactly. There's a reason why Paramount didn't just borrow back the TOS Enterprise shooting model from the Smithsonian. For ST: TMP, "Trials and Tribble-ations", "In a Mirror, Darkly", or ST XI.
Exactly...not just facts, but the bridge design.
Case in point:
http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/2x22/byanyothername0215.jpg
Where's the main view screen? Are they in some sort of revolving bridge?
I suppose those who will reject Abrams' trek because it may look a little inconsistent compared to TOS should also reject TOS itself since its look was often inconsistent, even within the confines of a single episode.
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For some reason, I'm now imagining a Star Trek fan who is so hardcore when it comes to canon, that he rejects every Trek episode and film ever produced, preferring a platonic ideal of canon.
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^
^^The very idea that "Star Trek itself must be rejected because it is inconsistent with the canon established by Star Trek" is enough to make all of these get stuck in a self-destructive circular logic loop:
http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/2x03/changeling0425.jpg
http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/2x24/The_Ultimate_Computer_302.JPG
http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/1x21/thereturnofarchons_659.jpg
http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/2x08/TOS_2x12_IMudd0413-Trekpulse.jpg
^^The very idea that "Star Trek itself must be rejected because it is inconsistent with the canon established by Star Trek" is enough to make all of these get stuck in a self-destructive circular logic loop:
http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/2x03/changeling0425.jpg
http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/2x24/The_Ultimate_Computer_302.JPG
http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/1x21/thereturnofarchons_659.jpg
http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/2x08/TOS_2x12_IMudd0413-Trekpulse.jpg
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