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Tasha the calm warrior?

bradacus

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Red Shirt
Do you guys think that the writers felt that Tasha Yar's character was a mistake? It seems like they had nothing of substance to give her character throughout the second half of the first season. She was just sort of there hanging about most of the time, with few lines.

Also I was confused by her tales of 'rape gangs' and how tough it was to survive on her home planet, yet her character was very compassionate and calm and didn't seem like she would survive a 'rape gang' any day of the week.

I may be missing something, but I feel like I missed out on some good Worf involved stories by having her there for the first 3/4 of the season. This is my first time watching the series and I was prompted to ask this after watching season fours episode 'Legacy' with Tasha's sister. Her sister seemed like the kind of character that Tasha's history would have developed her into(and not what we saw in Season 1).

Thoughts?
 
I think Tasha was mostly a mistake and just an "extra" character (although in S1 that applied more to Worf.)

I guess her character doesn't make much sense in terms to her origins but at the same time Data was consistant with what he would become either. First Season was rough to say the least.

It could just be Tasha was unique and strove to be more than she was to get out of her terrible situation on the failed human colony which speaks a lot of the "human condition" and it may have been something we'd of seen developed more if Tasha lasted longer.

But, in the end, she was (to me) an unitneresting character and Worf fit much better at Tactical and turned out to be vastly more interesting.

Incidently, in case you didn't know, Denise Crosby (who played Tasha) made the decision to leave the show because she wanted to pursue other works and she was tired of mostly being Tasha "Hailing Frequencies Open, Captain Yar.

Hey, Denise? How'd your career turn out?!
 
Well at least she made Trekkies right? Or did she just host it as a guest?

Not sure. I think the former.

Either way it's (to me) part of her trying "shoe-horn" her way back into the franchise. Including using her in the Redemption and Unification episodes.
 
Well,
y'know we all make mistakes. BTW she was the driving force for both Trekkie films with a third in production, from what I understand. If her character was a little unformed I think the reason lies with roddenberry approch to TNG more than anything else.

The Shatinator
 
Let's not forget that unlike her sister, Tasha enjoyed the benefits of Federation brainwa--er, social reconstructive therapy.

If TPTB had been on their game from the get-go, Worf and Tasha could have both had interesting jobs. It's not like tactical (firing the ship's weapons) and security automatically have to be wrapped up in the same position--they're actually very different jobs that are associated together by the superficial common denominator that both involve the distasteful (to Roddenberry's hippie-drippy ideals) act of firing weapons.
 
I think Tasha was mostly a mistake and just an "extra" character

No mistake. A rethink. As originally conceived, Riker/Decker was to be the focus of shipboard episodes and Tasha Yar/Macha Hernandez leading Away Teams. When Justman convinced Roddenberry to hire Patrick Stewart as Picard, the captain's role (originally busy-perhaps-only-semi-regular Kirk in "Phase II) was beefed up to be the lead and Tasha got marginalized because suddenly riker was leading the Away Teams.
 
It was only 28 episodes into the first season when she left, was anyone really developed yet? They did alot with Picard, Riker, Doctor Crusher and Wesley and Data. However, characters like Tasha, Worf & Geordi were not developed until after episode 28 and well into season 2. We really wouldn't have a Worf character or Worf on ds9 if Crosby/Yar stayed on the show. Worf was nothing but a relief tactical & con officer, a Lieuentant JG. It wasn't until Yar died that he became a Lieutenant and Chief Tactical Officer + Security Chief.

Geordi Laforge was just all over the place, iat con as a relief helmsmen. Sometimes in Engineering but it wasn't until thaey made his character Chief Engineer that he gained some life to his charcater and sadly even then he was only used in the show as Data's side kick or the man who would save the ship from an engineering crisis.
 
^Season 1 was only 25 episodes long (or 26 if you count "Farpoint" as two). Tasha died in the 22nd aired episode.
 
People,

I think in one sense, Tasha's background makes sense in her chosen career path. Since she came from an unsafe and insecure culture, she would naturally gravitate to security, since it guarantees the safety of the entire crew of a starship or starbase.

However, I think from the beginning, it would've made more sense if Worf had been in charge of security, and Tasha had been a more junior officer like Geordi. That way, she could have been established as Picard's protege, someone he sponsored to the Academy, not unlike how Spock sponsored Saavik to Starfleet Academy. Of course, we already had the liftiing of Saavik's undisclosed backstory onto Tasha's history, as well as the Decker-Ilia relationship transplanted onto Riker-Troi.

Red Ranger
 
I don't think Tasha was a mistake at all.

Having a Security Chief as a main character was major change in ST (remember, all we had before this was TOS and no regular security chief). So that was great.

Having the Security Chief be an ass-kicking woman was great, also.
So far, so good.

Her background was interesting, and overall the character (on paper, at least) was more appealing to me than say Troi or Riker or Crusher or LaForge.

So Tasha was a hit with me, at least from the start.

How they chose to develop (or *not* develop) the character or use the actress or not, well, that's how it played out. Reasons galore, I suppose.

But initially and as intended, I thought Tasha was a highlight and could have been a big hit. Not a mistake at all.
 
I don't think Tasha was a mistake at all.

Having a Security Chief as a main character was major change in ST (remember, all we had before this was TOS and no regular security chief). So that was great.

Having the Security Chief be an ass-kicking woman was great, also.
So far, so good.

Her background was interesting, and overall the character (on paper, at least) was more appealing to me than say Troi or Riker or Crusher or LaForge.

So Tasha was a hit with me, at least from the start.

How they chose to develop (or *not* develop) the character or use the actress or not, well, that's how it played out. Reasons galore, I suppose.

But initially and as intended, I thought Tasha was a highlight and could have been a big hit. Not a mistake at all.

I generally agree with you that the idea was good. Had they continued the show with Tasha, she would have developed quite nicely, I'm sure.

BTW, she was originally conceived as more like the character of Vazquez in Aliens -- her original name was "Macha" Hernandez.

Worf's development would have been quite different if she remained in the cast. I wonder if Tasha instead of Worf would've wound up on Deep Space Nine as a result. Hmm!

Red Ranger
 
After how she acted out in Encounter At Fairpoint I'd hardly call her a calm warrior, she was young and a bit of a hothead at times but able to control herself and it seems as though that came form being an officier in Starfleet.
 
Do you guys think that the writers felt that Tasha Yar's character was a mistake? It seems like they had nothing of substance to give her character throughout the second half of the first season. She was just sort of there hanging about most of the time, with few lines.

Keep in mind that you're talking about different "they"s. Most of the people who developed TNG -- David Gerrold, D.C. Fontana, Bob Justman -- had been driven away well before the season ended. So a lot of the original ideas behind the show fell by the wayside. For instance, the Enterprise was meant to be exploring the great unknown on a mission that would keep them away from Federation ports for up to 15 years, hence the need for the ship to be a "city in space" with civilians and families aboard. But it ended up spending most of the show's seven seasons in Federation space and dealing with local politics. Also, virtually no use was made of Geordi's enhanced vision after "Heart of Glory"; practically the only purpose the VISOR served after that was as a way for enemy aliens to brainwash or otherwise compromise him.

So I figure Tasha is another aspect that fell by the wayside due to the revolving door on the writers' room. The original staff took their plans for Tasha with them, and their replacements didn't have much of anything to take their place. (Not that they would've been "plans" in the sense of a preplanned character arc like in today's shows -- just an interest in the character and a willingness to explore her.)

Also I was confused by her tales of 'rape gangs' and how tough it was to survive on her home planet, yet her character was very compassionate and calm and didn't seem like she would survive a 'rape gang' any day of the week.

Those aren't incompatible at all. Compassion is not weakness; on the contrary, it takes a lot of strength. And someone who's been a victim of abuse and trauma can be very compassionate toward other victims as a result. Calm isn't weakness either; ask any martial-arts master. It means she'd learned to manage her passions and channel them -- something that takes real strength and discipline. Learning to stay calm and controlled in the face of danger would've helped her to survive on her world.

I had a friend in college who was a rape survivor, and though she sometimes had difficult days, for the most part she was a very calm, compassionate, affectionate person.

I may be missing something, but I feel like I missed out on some good Worf involved stories by having her there for the first 3/4 of the season.

Whereas I feel we missed out on some good Tasha stories because the writers were too busy focusing on Worf and the other men.

This is my first time watching the series and I was prompted to ask this after watching season fours episode 'Legacy' with Tasha's sister. Her sister seemed like the kind of character that Tasha's history would have developed her into(and not what we saw in Season 1).

Ishara was what someone with that history would've become if she stayed in that hellish environment and let it define her. Tasha was what someone with that history would've become if she left, became part of a more enlightened and peaceful society, got therapy and nurturing, and went through Starfleet training. Trauma doesn't have to define you for the rest of your life. Not if you have the strength to rise above it. Tasha had the strength to make herself a better person. Ishara didn't. To me, that makes Tasha the more interesting character.
 
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