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AICN Skewers "The Clone Wars"

I've never bought into that. It's got some pretty "severe" themes and imagery in it for it being "for kids"

Well, it does if one thinks that the level of severity is unacceptable for kids. Perhaps for the very young, but not kids in general, I think.

Or to put it another way: What age were you when you first saw Star Wars? I was definitely a kid, and loved it. I think it's good family entertainment in the best sense of the word.

I'd have more faith in them finding good actors for recasting - yes, even for Han - than I would in them coming up with good stories for the characters (barring the aforementioned palace coup).

Good actors, sure. The prequel trilogy had some good actors. But they couldn't be coaxed to give memorable prefromances, so they were sort of wasted.

Anyway, even if they made a cartoon, they'd probably have to recast. They have done so for The Clone Wars, and Harrison Ford, at least, would be outside their price range.
 
I've never bought into that. It's got some pretty "severe" themes and imagery in it for it being "for kids"

Well, it does if one thinks that the level of severity is unacceptable for kids. Perhaps for the very young, but not kids in general, I think.

Or to put it another way: What age were you when you first saw Star Wars? I was definitely a kid, and loved it. I think it's good family entertainment in the best sense of the word.

Kid's can like things that are not made specifically for kids. A movie doesn't need an R-rating or some extremely complicated plot in order to not be for kids.

The original SW trilogy was definitely a teens & up affair that kids also liked.

The PT/CW is much more a kid's thing that some adults might like, sort of like spongebob.
 
The PT/CW is much more a kid's thing that some adults might like, sort of like spongebob.
Adults like SpongeBob?

Anyway, I think the Original Trilogy is better, but not necessarily more mature*, than the PT. The PT was the one which had a film rated PG-13, and the OT had Ewoks. But by and large, I think they are family movies - which I do mean postively.

Anyway, it's a moot point. Even with its younger skewed audience, The Clone Wars need not automatically be terrible. Anyone see that other animated sci-fi film released this year? Now that was a good movie. So I think that's a weak excuse.

*Mature in terms of graphic content and so on.
 
Yeah, SITH got the PG-13 rating, but the story was still, y'know, shit + nostalgia.

I like the nostalgia part pretty well, but the charaters were just angry puppets, as opposed to actual characters, so I'd still call the OT more mature, just less lava-pits.

Adults like SpongeBob?
Well, we know political pudits watch it. Anyway, it does have much more believeable and less annoying characters. No big CGI explosions, but hey you can't have it all.
 
so I'd still call the OT more mature, just less lava-pits.

Sith is more mature in precisely the sense I meant - it featured material sufficiently problematic to earn it a PG-13. (Hence 'graphic content and so on' - apologies for not being clearer.) It's not the better movie, nor is it better written than, say, ESB - not by a long shot - but it is more mature in this sense.

Adults like SpongeBob?
Well, we know political pudits watch it. Anyway, it does have much more believeable and less annoying characters.
Ah.
 
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Some things that you loved as a little kid are still awesome when you grow up.

Other things that you loved as a little kid are total flipping shit.

This is looking to be the latter.

Ha ha, well said. I may be wrong, but something tells me that-- unlike our generation and the original movies-- all the little kids of today are gonna look back at the prequels in 20 years and ask "What the fuck was THAT?!?" :D
 
Then there's the unending problem of putting characters in peril that we already know the fates of. Look, George. Having Anakin and Count Dooku have a dual ISN'T EXCITING. We already know what happens to Dooku. He died on screen YEARS AGO. We know he doesn't die at the hands of Skywalker. Nor does Skywalker get so much as a scratch from him. We know this already. So why devote so much time to it, unless you're completely out of ideas.
This isn't a review. It's a statement of why the movie wasn't something the reviewer was ever going to enjoy in the first place. Why not get someone who actually gives a crap about seeing the movie to see the movie? The I've-clearly-been-bitter-about-anything-branded-Star-Wars-for-nearly-a-decade-before-this-film-existed (lack of) perspective couldn't be more obviously in effect.
 
You might have noticed Harry's review was taken off the site yesterday for apparently breaching some embargo. Word is LFL has a critical embargo on this shitfest before the 15th.

Extremely common practice.

Here's the deal -- they (meaning EVERY major studio and/or distributor) let you in to a press screening, you hold your review until opening day.

No big deal. Been doing it that way for 30 years.

--Ted
 
Then there's the unending problem of putting characters in peril that we already know the fates of. Look, George. Having Anakin and Count Dooku have a dual ISN'T EXCITING. We already know what happens to Dooku. He died on screen YEARS AGO. We know he doesn't die at the hands of Skywalker. Nor does Skywalker get so much as a scratch from him. We know this already. So why devote so much time to it, unless you're completely out of ideas.
This isn't a review. It's a statement of why the movie wasn't something the reviewer was ever going to enjoy in the first place. Why not get someone who actually gives a crap about seeing the movie to see the movie? The I've-clearly-been-bitter-about-anything-branded-Star-Wars-for-nearly-a-decade-before-this-film-existed (lack of) perspective couldn't be more obviously in effect.

Because like the rest of us, he's still a fan and was hoping this movie might be an improvement over the prequels. Clearly it was just more of the same though.
 
Extremely common practice.

Here's the deal -- they (meaning EVERY major studio and/or distributor) let you in to a press screening, you hold your review until opening day.

No big deal. Been doing it that way for 30 years.

--Ted

Still, I have a feeling if the reviews had been positive, the studio would have let it pass and not said a word. ;)
 
You might have noticed Harry's review was taken off the site yesterday for apparently breaching some embargo. Word is LFL has a critical embargo on this shitfest before the 15th.

Extremely common practice.

Here's the deal -- they (meaning EVERY major studio and/or distributor) let you in to a press screening, you hold your review until opening day.

No big deal. Been doing it that way for 30 years.

Indeed. It's when there are no press screenings at all that Something Has Gone Terribly Wrong.

Also, my favorite part of the review quoted in the OP was when he said that he could call the prequels fanfic because the real George Lucas was spiritually dead. That's not just harsh, that's the epitome of fannish entitlement.
 
Also, my favorite part of the review quoted in the OP was when he said that he could call the prequels fanfic because the real George Lucas was spiritually dead. That's not just harsh, that's the epitome of fannish entitlement.


It's a bit histrionic, to be sure, but the basic assertion is worth considering--namely, that Clone Wars has all the qualities of crappy fanfic. This assertion may or may not be accurate, but semantics alone make a pretty weak counterargument.

EDIT: in fact, now that I think about it, most criticism of the criticism of Lucas or the prequels seems to come down to quibbling over semantics, straw man arguments (the infamous "Lucas raped my childhood"), or pure ad hominem. Off the top of my head, at least, I can't recall anything more substantive.


Marian
 
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Genndy Tartakovsky's Clone Wars was the only thing to come out of The Prequels that was universally praised and loved by the fans. It had fire and fury and imagination and a raw epic scope that could barely be contained in a TV set. It made previously stupid and terrible ideas mind blowing. It made Anikian Skywalker a credible character, if ever so briefly. It made Star Wars fans feel like their intelligence was no longer being insulted. It made Star Wars feel like Star Wars again.

And that's why George Lucas had to shit all over it. He's got a formula for ruining what should be good Star Wars material. Obnoxious kid hero with annoying catchphrase(Skyguy/Yippee!)? Check. Unbearably annoying wacky comic relief alien? Check. Racist stereotypes around every corner? Check. Badly paced and awkward directing? Check. Terrible dialogue ? Check. Nonsensical plot that you could care less about? Check.

Lucas is a walking, breathing pop culture joke. He's the creative version of The Angel of Death. Everything good, decent, and alive that was prevalent in his previous work is killed the instant he touches of it. The Prequels and Kingdom of The Crystal Skull are the proof in the puddling. Once he gets done, there will not be a single thing left that people will love about the movies. What was once a corner stone of Americana and Modern Mythology, will be remembered as a cultural punch line. They're his creations, he can do whatever he wants with them. If he wants to remake the originals with Lando in blackface, eating chicken and watermelons he's free to do that. But that doesn't mean people can't ridicule this has-been hack for doing crap similar to that.
 
Let's just blame Harrison Ford for turning down gazillion dollars because he doesn't want to play Han Solo for even .0003 nanoseconds.

Otherwise, we'd have the sequel trilogy instead of CGI toons. And it would shit all over EU. But...

Nah, Ford is arlight. Can't blame him for that...I can for FIREWALL and that Anne Heche movie and....
 
Lucas has lost the plot (in more ways than one!).

Personally I think he deserves to be held to the standard he himself set. His work now is lacklustre, cliched, childish and muddled. He promises 'dark' but delivers light fluff. If he came out and said "I'm now making movies for children" then I'd have no problem with what he does, at least he's being true to his word.

It's really a shame.
 
Skimmed those "reviews", sound like they were written by some spotty 14-year-old kid sat in his basement wanking over the lingerie catalogue. Can't say I could give a flying fuck what dorks like that think about anything.
For a more informed and mature review, SFX had this to say (giving it 4/5)

The 20th Century Fox fanfare is such an integral part of the Star Wars experience that seeing the Warner Brothers shield dissolving into “A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away...” is a rather disconcerting experience. The absence of an opening crawl – to say what it’s been replaced with would be an unfair spoiler – and slightly remixed theme tune do nothing but add to the suspicion that The Clone Wars comes from a very different place to the live-action movies.

But make no mistake, as soon as you’re plunged into the heart of a Jedi vs battledroids confrontation on a distant world, this is pure, unadulterated Star Wars. The characters may be heavily stylised CG caricatures of the saga’s heroes and villains, but the essence of George Lucas’s creation remains in a movie that bests at least two of the prequels. Indeed, The Clone Wars’ brand of simplistic, action-heavy storytelling is a fantastic breath of fresh air after the complex political machinations that bogged down much of Episodes I and II.

The film’s biggest strength is that it’s clearly been made by fans for fans. It’s easy to picture planning meetings dissolving into sessions of “Wouldn’t it be cool if...” particularly when Anakin leads a vertical assault on a distant temple, clone troopers and giant walkers scaling a massive cliff as Separatist fire rains down on them. The movie is packed with sequences that more than hold their own against their live-action equivalents.

And while it’s hardly Apocalypse Now, Clone Wars doesn’t sanitise the violence. Some scenes are surprisingly brutal: a battledroid grabbing a trooper by the neck before shooting him point blank is up there with the charred corpses of Luke’s aunt and uncle in the Star Wars pantheon of unpleasantness. This is the Clone Wars as many fans of the original trilogy wanted to see them, much closer to the prequels that existed in our heads than The Phantom Menace turned out to be.

As a curtain-raiser to the upcoming Clone Wars TV series – set to continue filling the gaps between Episodes II and III – this is an impressive statement of intent. The CG proves surprisingly effective, with the cast’s cartoony, almost puppet-like appearance perfectly suiting the material. The animation may not possess Pixar levels of complexity – probably impossible when you’ve eventually got to churn out weekly episodes – but with its vibrant colour scheme and simple, get-to-the-point dialogue, The Clone Wars is straight out of the comic-book school of storytelling. Needless to say, the hardware and spaceships look fantastic – you have to look very hard to see where what you see here differs from the (admittedly just as CG) equivalents in the prequels.

Although the mention of protecting shipping lanes through the Outer Rim conjures unpleasant memories of Trade Federation blockades, the plot involving the kidnap of Jabba the Hutt’s son rarely lets the excitement levels dip – in fact, the action’s so relentless that come the final quarter you might find yourself begging for a breather. Slug Jr proves an ingenious McGuffin, both a convincing reason for conflict between the Republic and Count Dooku’s Separatists (both sides want to keep Jabba onside) and a brilliant plot device for exploring the relationship between future Vader Anakin Skywalker and his new Padawan learner, Ahsoka Tano, when they have to play nursemaid.

That the character stuff works as well as it does is a welcome surprise. Cartoon Anakin proves to be a much more likeable character than the Hayden Christensen version, suggesting he might become the rogue-ish Han Solo character the prequels lacked, while one glance between Anakin and secret missus Padme, shared via hologram, conveys more sexual chemistry than any number of musings about the romantic properties of sand.

The newbies, too, fare well, with the impetuous Ahsoka mostly avoiding the annoying qualities that are usually the hallmark of a screen sidekick, and Asajj Ventress displaying plenty of menace and her fair share of skill with a lightsaber. Even the usually faceless clones are given a chance to develop, with their different haircuts (some of them hilarious) suggesting they’ve grown individual personalities. Above all The Clone Wars is fun. Sure, a few gags fall flat, but this gets back to the adventure serial roots that first inspired George Lucas all those years ago. The kid in you will love it.
http://www.sfx.co.uk/page/sfx?entry=film_review_star_wars_the
 
Genndy Tartakovsky's Clone Wars was the only thing to come out of The Prequels that was universally praised and loved by the fans.

Universally? There are plenty out there, myself included, who didn't like the animated Clone Wars series. I wasn't able to watch more than a few of those things; vapid, poorly drawn, and dispensed in absurdly tiny increments as though the producers were trying to pass a kidney stone.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
 
^ I've been buying the magazine since 1999, and I would agree their reviews of late are bit strange sometimes, but at least they admit they're solely the opinion of the single reviewer and no one else.
Not saying I agree with the above review, it could be terrible it could be amazing. I'll go and make my own mind up, not just accept what some dork from "Ain't It Cool News" says, possibly the worst name for a website I've ever heard by the way, which sums up their teenage incredibly nerdy ouput on things
 
Genndy Tartakovsky's Clone Wars was the only thing to come out of The Prequels that was universally praised and loved by the fans.

Universally? There are plenty out there, myself included, who didn't like the animated Clone Wars series. I wasn't able to watch more than a few of those things; vapid, poorly drawn, and dispensed in absurdly tiny increments as though the producers were trying to pass a kidney stone.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

Yeah, the CW cartoon was just 90% flash-animated lightsaber battles and...that's about it. Overall, it was essentially pointless and repetitive.
 
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