Moon-walker claims alien contact cover-up

[CaptainStoner]

I don't believe that, even if all scientific knowledge possible were known, that is would describe but a part of reality: the physical universe.
There has been an interplay between mankind and other realms of consiousness and reality always, so I think the Aliens and UFOs are a part of that. Not so much outer space beings, as extraplanar beings.

 

[Jeri]

This is a moldy, old chestnut.

It's true.

It's facile and hackneyed.

...The guy has made crazy shit up before and he's more than likely doing it now.

In your opinion; you simply don't know. At least you appear to have gone back to see what was said before talking.

Were Mitchell making a religious claim based on faith, that aspect wouldn't seem extraordinary. Personally, I don't believe the claims of faith of Catholic priests, for example; but if they gave an account relating to their mission work, I'd tend to keep it in mind.

 

[Zachary Smith]

There has been an interplay between mankind and other realms of consiousness and reality always, so I think the Aliens and UFOs are a part of that. Not so much outer space beings, as extraplanar beings.

This is a potent claim. Can you extrapolate with examples and perhaps provide some basis for the idea of "extraplanar beings" and upon what reasoning you suggest them?

 

[CaptainStoner]

There has been an interplay between mankind and other realms of consiousness and reality always, so I think the Aliens and UFOs are a part of that. Not so much outer space beings, as extraplanar beings.

This is a potent claim. Can you extrapolate with examples and perhaps provide some basis for the idea of "extraplanar beings" and upon what reasoning you suggest them?

Starting with the idea that consciousness is a subtle energy, which connects to even subtler energies, and in fact "existing" outside of space and time, as well as permeated throughout all physical realities, and coalescing in lifeforms.

 

[BolianAuthor]

It has also been stated by some astronauts, that alien craft had trailed our own craft, near and on the Moon, and that our teams on the Moon were "observed' by alien beings. Dunno if this is reliable or not, but I am planning to do some research, for my story about the Grays.

regarding the whole UFO cover-up... recently, I have had a new way of looking at things... see, we have all been made to think that our government is keeping all this stuff a secret.

I really don't think so... yet, I also think we DO have aliens and their tech, at our disposal. I will explain.

It is human nature, to want to go out, and brag about and flaunt the newest stuff we have, when we get it. When we get a new car, we show it to our neighbors. When we get a promotion, we tell those close to us about it. When we have new technology, we make new things with it. Human nature eliminates the possibility that WE would be covering up alien beings and technology... we would naturally want to share that with everyone.

I am speculating that it is the ALIEN government, that is ordering us to keep this silent. They may not think we can handle the knowledge well, or that we might react with fear.

Consider that if these aliens are real, then to us now, they would almost appear God-powerful. Any race that can traverse the galaxy with such common ease, would certainly have not only regular technology, but weapons FAR beyond not only our level of power, but understanding, as well.

I mean, imagine the potential destructive power such a race could unleash upon our world, if it wanted to. The human race would never have a chance. Launching every single weapon we have on the surface and in orbit of the entire planet at them, would be equivalent to someone throwing a single grain of sand at an oncoming atom bomb, in a desperate last hope to somehow stop it... there would be NO way.

 

[scotthm]

It is human nature, to want to go out, and brag about and flaunt the newest stuff we have, when we get it.... Human nature eliminates the possibility that WE would be covering up alien beings and technology... we would naturally want to share that with everyone.

Why do you believe that alien technology is being shared with the world?

I mean, imagine the potential destructive power such a race could unleash upon our world, if it wanted to. The human race would never have a chance.

This point is one that seems to escape most of those who want to believe we're being visited by aliens. Why would you want to be found and studied by beings capable of and possibly interested in wiping out your species?

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[Zachary Smith]

It is human nature, to want to go out, and brag about and flaunt the newest stuff we have, when we get it.... Human nature eliminates the possibility that WE would be covering up alien beings and technology... we would naturally want to share that with everyone.

Why do you believe that alien technology is being shared with the world?

I mean, imagine the potential destructive power such a race could unleash upon our world, if it wanted to. The human race would never have a chance.

This point is one that seems to escape most of those who want to believe we're being visited by aliens. Why would you want to be found and studied by beings capable of and possibly interested in wiping out your species?

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"Want" doesn't enter into the equation. Either alien species are/have/will visit the earth or they don't or won't (asuming they even exist). The desires of any person or even of all people collectively does nothing to alter the objective truth of the matter.

 

[Zachary Smith]

There has been an interplay between mankind and other realms of consiousness and reality always, so I think the Aliens and UFOs are a part of that. Not so much outer space beings, as extraplanar beings.

This is a potent claim. Can you extrapolate with examples and perhaps provide some basis for the idea of "extraplanar beings" and upon what reasoning you suggest them?

Starting with the idea that consciousness is a subtle energy, which connects to even subtler energies, and in fact "existing" outside of space and time, as well as permeated throughout all physical realities, and coalescing in lifeforms.

So, you are talking philosophical speculations more than anything else . . .

 

[scotthm]

The desires of any person or even of all people collectively does nothing to alter the objective truth of the matter.

Of course not, nevertheless there are people who want to believe.

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[CaptainStoner]

This is a potent claim. Can you extrapolate with examples and perhaps provide some basis for the idea of "extraplanar beings" and upon what reasoning you suggest them?

Starting with the idea that consciousness is a subtle energy, which connects to even subtler energies, and in fact "existing" outside of space and time, as well as permeated throughout all physical realities, and coalescing in lifeforms.

So, you are talking philosophical speculations more than anything else . . .

Not entirely. I am also talking from shamanistic experiences, which have repeatedly throughout all human history shown the existence of some kind of subtle energy, and a broader consciousness.
Less crazy examples are things like the Placebo Effect, or the effects of Prayer.

 

[CaptainStoner]

The desires of any person or even of all people collectively does nothing to alter the objective truth of the matter.

That is the paradigm and assumption based on the current understanding of reality.
However, the neverending evidence of subtle energy would suggest a magical view of reality may be less primitive than the standard atheist scientist might say.

 

[Zachary Smith]

The desires of any person or even of all people collectively does nothing to alter the objective truth of the matter.

That is the paradigm and assumption based on the current understanding of reality.
However, the neverending evidence of subtle energy would suggest a magical view of reality may be less primitive than the standard atheist scientist might say.

Care to present any such neverending evidence?

 

[BolianAuthor]

It is human nature, to want to go out, and brag about and flaunt the newest stuff we have, when we get it.... Human nature eliminates the possibility that WE would be covering up alien beings and technology... we would naturally want to share that with everyone.

Why do you believe that alien technology is being shared with the world?

I mean, imagine the potential destructive power such a race could unleash upon our world, if it wanted to. The human race would never have a chance.

This point is one that seems to escape most of those who want to believe we're being visited by aliens. Why would you want to be found and studied by beings capable of and possibly interested in wiping out your species?

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I never said alien technology IS being shared.

And two... aliens will visit any race less advanced as they for any given reason... the crew of the Enterprise-D could have reduced Mintaka III to rubble, yet they did not, because they had a viable reason to visit that world.

 

[scotthm]

the crew of the Enterprise-D could have reduced Mintaka III to rubble, yet they did not, because they had a viable reason to visit that world.

#1, TNG is just a television show.

#2, "a viable reason" does not equal "beneficial to the indigenous population".

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[voggmo]

From Terrio...
our UFO sighting stories might be considered in the same vein as Grimm's Fairy Tales.



Right, is there film evidence of Santa & fairies & such? Are there tens of thousands of credible eyewitnesses? In a word, not.

There are for UFO's however. Military personell, police etc. Craft doing maneuvers impossible for conventional A/C. Airline pilots as well who are well trained to know the difference between a flock of Geese, Saturn, & swamp gas & an intelligently controlled A/C.

 

[Brolan]

But this stuff doesn't make any sense. For instance the aliens haven't landed on the Washington DC national mall and said "hi" nor have they shown up on the Today show. They seem to lurk in rural areas and do stuff at night. So we could guess they want their activities to be secret. Right? Then why the hell do they fly around at night with bright lights? Even in WWI and WWII the pilots knew better than that.

Some of these UFOs have been tracked on radar at long ranges. So they can cross interstellar space, pull G's that would smear a human to the side of his cockpit but their stealth technology is worse than what we have now for the B-2 bomber and F-22? Does this make any sense at all?

 

[Zachary Smith]

But this stuff doesn't make any sense. For instance the aliens haven't landed on the Washington DC national mall and said "hi" nor have they shown up on the Today show. They seem to lurk in rural areas and do stuff at night. So we could guess they want their activities to be secret. Right? Then why the hell do they fly around at night with bright lights? Even in WWI and WWII the pilots knew better than that.

Some of these UFOs have been tracked on radar at long ranges. So they can cross interstellar space, pull G's that would smear a human to the side of his cockpit but their stealth technology is worse than what we have now for the B-2 bomber and F-22? Does this make any sense at all?

There's a wide spectrum of possibility between "landing on the Mall in DC to say hello" and using stealth technology to avoid being seen. First, it presumes they give a good goddamn whether we know they're here or not. Maybe neither saying "hello" OR hiding is part of their agenda. More, maybe the reason they ARE seen mostly in rural or sparesely populated areas is because they DO USE stealth when in populated areas.

Your premise is inherently flawed in that you ascribe motivations appropriate to make your point, then undermine the claims based on the failure of the "aliens" to satisfy YOUR agenda.

 

[Brolan]

But this stuff doesn't make any sense. For instance the aliens haven't landed on the Washington DC national mall and said "hi" nor have they shown up on the Today show. They seem to lurk in rural areas and do stuff at night. So we could guess they want their activities to be secret. Right? Then why the hell do they fly around at night with bright lights? Even in WWI and WWII the pilots knew better than that.

Some of these UFOs have been tracked on radar at long ranges. So they can cross interstellar space, pull G's that would smear a human to the side of his cockpit but their stealth technology is worse than what we have now for the B-2 bomber and F-22? Does this make any sense at all?

There's a wide spectrum of possibility between "landing on the Mall in DC to say hello" and using stealth technology to avoid being seen. First, it presumes they give a good goddamn whether we know they're here or not. Maybe neither saying "hello" OR hiding is part of their agenda. More, maybe the reason they ARE seen mostly in rural or sparesely populated areas is because they DO USE stealth when in populated areas.

Your premise is inherently flawed in that you ascribe motivations appropriate to make your point, then undermine the claims based on the failure of the "aliens" to satisfy YOUR agenda.

No, that's not it. I'm trying to make some sense out of their actions. If can't make any sense out of the actions of these supposed aliens then I refuse to believe in them. It's that simple.

 

[Zachary Smith]

But this stuff doesn't make any sense. For instance the aliens haven't landed on the Washington DC national mall and said "hi" nor have they shown up on the Today show. They seem to lurk in rural areas and do stuff at night. So we could guess they want their activities to be secret. Right? Then why the hell do they fly around at night with bright lights? Even in WWI and WWII the pilots knew better than that.

Some of these UFOs have been tracked on radar at long ranges. So they can cross interstellar space, pull G's that would smear a human to the side of his cockpit but their stealth technology is worse than what we have now for the B-2 bomber and F-22? Does this make any sense at all?

There's a wide spectrum of possibility between "landing on the Mall in DC to say hello" and using stealth technology to avoid being seen. First, it presumes they give a good goddamn whether we know they're here or not. Maybe neither saying "hello" OR hiding is part of their agenda. More, maybe the reason they ARE seen mostly in rural or sparesely populated areas is because they DO USE stealth when in populated areas.

Your premise is inherently flawed in that you ascribe motivations appropriate to make your point, then undermine the claims based on the failure of the "aliens" to satisfy YOUR agenda.

No, that's not it. I'm trying to make some sense out of their actions. If can't make any sense out of the actions of these supposed aliens then I refuse to believe in them. It's that simple.

What an . . . interesting . . . criteria you have for considering possibilities!

 

[voggmo]

Zachary, do you suppose ants believe in us?

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but their stealth technology is worse than what we have now for the B-2 bomber and F-22? Does this make any sense at all?


I doubt that. Perhaps they don't care if we see em or not. They can most likely outrun anything we have, so who cares?