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The Dark Knight - Grading & Discussion

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Seeing these reminds me of the Mcdonalds glass cups lol

Yeah. If they made a 1990s time capsule, I think that Batman Forever should go in there if only because its a classic example of the "four glass movies" of that period. A "four glass movie" refers to any movie who's plot can be summed up by 4 collectible glasses sold at McDonalds. (If you want to see a really weird overlap, Burger King released 4 character glasses for The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring. Probably the 1st & last prestige blockbuster to get the four glass treatment.)
 
Jackson, please don't post inline images from webspace that isn't yours, and please don't drop huge inline images into a thread without warning. The limit is roughly 70 KB, and though we try to be lenient on that limit, 505 KB is a bit much. We still have lots of users on dial-up.
 
A parody of Bale's Batman voice

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2yv8aT0UFc

http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/Movies/08/04/mondaymoviebuzz.darkknight.ap/index.html

NEW YORK (AP) -- Though "The Dark Knight" has been a bona fide cultural event, boasting rave reviews and boffo box office, it hasn't been immune to criticism. Some have quibbled with its political undercurrents, and others have criticized a muddled theme.

But here's the critique most widely held: Why does Batman talk like the offspring of Clint Eastwood and a grizzly bear?

Donning the costume for the second time, Christian Bale has delved deeper into the lower registers. As Bruce Wayne, his voice is as smooth as his finely pressed suits. But once he puts the cape on, the transformation of his vocal chords is just as dramatic as his costume change.

Particularly when his rage boils over, Bale's Batman growls in an almost beastly fashion, reflecting how close he teeters between do-gooder and vengeance-crazed crusader.

"The Dark Knight" hauled in $43.8 million to rank as Hollywood's top movie for the third straight weekend, fending off "The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor," which opened a close second with $42.5 million. It has earned $394.9 million in just 17 days, according to studio estimates Sunday.

Though much of the voice effect is Bale's own doing, under the guidance of director Christopher Nolan and supervising sound editor Richard King, the frequency of his Batman voice was modulated to exaggerate the effect.

Critics and fans have noticed.

"His Batman rasps his lines in a voice that's deeper and hammier than ever," said NPR's David Edelstein.

The New Yorker's David Denby praised the urgency of Bale's Batman, but lamented that he "delivers his lines in a hoarse voice with an unvarying inflection."

Reviewing the film for MSNBC, Alonso Duralde wrote that Bale's Batman in "Batman Begins" "sounded absurdly deep, like a 10-year-old putting on an 'adult' voice to make prank phone calls. This time, Bale affects an eerie rasp, somewhat akin to Brenda Vaccaro doing a Miles Davis impression."

Before the similes run too far afield, it's worth considering where the concept of a throaty Batman comes from.

In his portrayal on the '60s "Batman" TV series, Adam West didn't alter his voice between Bruce Wayne and Batman. Decades later when Tim Burton brought "Batman" to the big screen in a much darker incarnation, Michael Keaton's inflection was notably -- but not considerably -- different from one to the other.

But it was a lesser-known actor who, a few years after Burton's film, made perhaps the most distinct imprint on Batman's voice. Kevin Conroy, as the voice of the animated Batman in various projects from 1992's "Batman: The Animated Series" right up until this year's "Batman: Gotham Knight," brought a darker, raspier vocalization to Batman.

Conroy has inhabited the role longer than anyone else and though animated voice-over work doesn't have the same cachet as feature film acting, there are quarters where Conroy is viewed as the best Batman of them all -- certainly superior to Val Kilmer or George Clooney.

The animated series are notable because they drew on the DC Comics of Batman as envisioned by Frank Miller, whose work heavily informs "Batman Begins" and "The Dark Knight." (Bale and Nolan were unavailable to comment for this story.)

As Batman has gotten darker, his voice has gotten deeper. As some critics suggest, Bale and "The Dark Knight" may have reached a threshold, at least audibly.


Morgan Freedman got into a car accident last night. His condition is unknown.
http://www.tmz.com/2008/08/04/morgan-freeman-injured-in-car-accident/
 
So, my initial evaluation that Bale's voice had been modulated in post was correct. Wish they hadn't done that.
 
So some rumors about the next Batman movie were debunk, including one I never heard of before. Who the hell said Maggie Gyllenhaal was up for Catwoman??? :rolleyes:
 
Just wanted to chime in here...I looked at the box office for this movie for the first time yesterday, its simply unprecedented. $400 million in 18 days. The previous record was 42 days! We might be seeing the biggest movie of all time!

RAMA
 
The box office take IS impressive, but The Dark Knight has already peaked, so don't expect it to get anywhere near record box office numbers of Titanic (nonadjusted) or Gone With the Wind (adjusted).
 
My wife and I saw this movie today.

I thought it was good. Some excellent character moments, and some great stunts. It actually had a meaningful theme and explored it thoroughly, so that was good too.

Ledger's Joker was very different, of course. Not very funny and not really even over-the-top. I loved his speech to Harvey in the hospital about the "schemers" and how he's just a "dog chasing cars". That was a great scene.

I thought they could have cut it down and streamlined it a bit. There were points where I felt it was too scattered and somewhat random. Some of the mob bank/money stuff wasn't pulled together tightly enough for my taste.

And add me to the list of people who thought Bale's voice was distracting.

Overall: Above average.
 
This has doubtless been belaboured to death, and I have come very late to the party. So, I will attempt to be brief.

I was impressed. Not really a comic book movie person but I like Batman and I enjoyed this film a great deal. My only real criticisms are, firstly, some of the dialogue often felt a little forced. "You either die a hero, or live long enough to become the tagline" sort of stuff. None of this was bad - and a lot of it carried important themes to the film - but it just felt off. Also, Harvey Two-Face's embracing of being an agent of random fate... well, actually I guess that was pulled off about as convincingly as it could.

The criticisms in the preceding paragraph should not detract from the first sentence, which is the most important sentence there. This is exactly what a summer blockbuster should be. Heath Ledger managed to be scary, creepy, and funny - the business with the pencil is precisely the kind of dark humour I wanted. Christopher Nolan fails to disappoint. And so on. You've read that before.
 
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When did they start calling him "Harvey Two-Face"? In the comics that I read, he was just Harvey Dent or Two-Face. The only other time I've heard him referred to as "Harvey Two-Face" was in Batman Forever, which I assumed was a bit of nonsense that they'd come up with for that film. But then it pops up again in TDK....
 
I couldn't swear to it since it's been awhile since I've watched it, but I believe Batman: The Animated Series also referred to him as "Harvey Two-Face" a couple of times.
 
I couldn't swear to it since it's been awhile since I've watched it, but I believe Batman: The Animated Series also referred to him as "Harvey Two-Face" a couple of times.

I've always known him as Harvey Two-Face but I could be cloudy. I also could've sworn Harvey would re-flip his coin if the result didn't suit his strongest desire.
 
The only other time I've heard him referred to as "Harvey Two-Face" was in Batman Forever, which I assumed was a bit of nonsense that they'd come up with for that film. But then it pops up again in TDK....
Well, I'm mainly (read: exclusively) familiar with Batman from media, which mainly means the movies (but also some of the TV shows). So I probably picked the name up from Batman Forever. I thought that was the proper name for the character. It makes sense in TDK, considering it's a nickname given behind his back.
 
In the comics he is either Harvey or Two-Face. Only the animated series called him Harvey Two-Face as fas as I know. But the latter does make a bit of sense.
 
I can buy Harvey Two-Face as a nickname for Harvey Dent pre-scarring, but once he becomes a supervillain, it should really just be Two-Face.
 
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He never calls himself Harvey Two-Face, to be fair. I think the nickname is just brought up and... well, that's it. It never reaches the nom de guerre level of Joker or Batman and, anyway, the fact Two-Face ever existed is now a secret.
 
Sounds like it's a TAS thing, then, which would explain why it stuck.
I also could've sworn Harvey would re-flip his coin if the result didn't suit his strongest desire.
Tommy Lee Jones did, but as I've seen protested elsewhere, that ruins the whole point of it. Two-Face has a maniacal code of honor/mental block, the same as the Riddler needing to leave riddles as clues.

In other TDK related news, did anyone catch the review in EW last week, in which the reviewer says that Frank Miller added the "the" to Batman? :brickwall: They were calling him "The Batman" back in '39 (as well as "the 'Bat-Man'", with hard quotes included), and AFAIK it came back into common usage when they started to darken him back up in the early '70s. Miller's influence on Batman is way overexagerated.
 
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