MeanJoePhaser
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Didn't think about it until much later, but was the killing of Michael Jai White's character by the Joker a nod to SPAWN?
Lingering Questions from 'The Dark Knight'...
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How is it (for those of us who haven't seen Spawn)? I know he played Spawn, but other than that, I know nothing.
Thespeckledkiwi
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BTW as I mentioned in the grading thread:
Two-Face/Harvey Dent is dead, or that's how they wrote it out in the screen play. He fell and snapped his neck.
Two-Face/Harvey Dent is dead, or that's how they wrote it out in the screen play. He fell and snapped his neck.
MeanJoePhaser
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Have you seen the screenplay, and does it actually say "dead from broken neck?"
I say this because:
1) I've seen broken necks before. In the film, they roll his head from one side to the other. That is NOT a broken neck, trust me. (Whether that's due to a filmmaking snafu... ie, it's more important to get the actor's likeness than to portray a broken neck accurately... or because his neck wasn't intended to be broken, remains to be demonstrated I think!)
2) There is no actual indication given on-screen that he's DEAD. Generally speaking, when people die suddenly, their eyes don't close. It's actually more common to find someone dead with their eyes OPEN than to find them closed. (That's why they often show someone "passing their hands over the eyes" in a film or TV show... in reality, you "wipe" the eyelids closed to make the dead person look a little more like they're asleep... totally pointless but very commonly done.
Is it possible his neck is broken? Maybe... but that doesn't mean he's dead. It doesn't even mean he's paralyzed... or that he's PERMANENTLY paralyzed.
Is it possible he's dead (from the neck or from some other injury)? Maybe... but that's NOT stated overtly. All we know is that he's publically declared dead. Not a trick Gordon is above playing, as we've seen in the same film.
Is Dent dead? Harvey Dent, the crusading DA, the IMAGE... definitely is dead. But whether or not Two-Face is dead is a different matter entirely.
Maybe it really is written that way in the script (if so, please share the page from the script where this is stated! And "as stated in the novelization" doesn't count!). Maybe it's the intention of the filmmaker. Even if that IS the case... it's not established beyond a doubt on-screen, is it?
Bruce is a trained ninja. After that fall, wouldn't he know better than to move around Harvey's neck like that if he was still alive? He wasn't breathing and they didn't administer CPR or anything. There was no urgency shown because they perceived him as obviously dead. He's gotta be dead.
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Ah, thank you.
Okay, I'm new to this thread, and don't feel like reading through everything, so forgive me if this has already been covered, but I'll ask anyway. Don't thsoe mercenaries or whoever owned that plane that helped Batman out in Hong Kong know that he's Bruce Wayne? After all, they picked him up as Bruce Wayne out at sea, and took him away from Hong Kong as Batman. I'm sure they should be able to figure it out.
Though I suppose it's possible Bruce Wayne is bribing them a lot of money to keep their mouths shut.
Though I suppose it's possible Bruce Wayne is bribing them a lot of money to keep their mouths shut.
Agreed. If Nolan intended to use him in the next film, what would be the point in trying to convince the audience he was dead at the end of THIS movie? Since he had already been defeated, it wouldn't have hurt anything to show him still breathing and being loaded into an ambulance.
Not to mention that it would make Batman's sacrifice at the end completely meaningless if Dent survived.
Plus considering that Nolan doesn't even know if he's returning. Why would he go to great lengths to say "Harvey Two-Face is dead," but actually plotting behind the scenes that he's in fact alive?
Well, right, but my point is why do that if he's not even sure if he'll be back for the next film?
my other thought was that Senator Leahy quietly walked away with the potTouche!!
Under current campaign law the amounts would have to be returned to the investors.
Awesome! More money to redecorate Wayne Manor with.
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God, I'm obsessed.
I don't think it's the same plane, much less the same flight crew. Alfred mentions he found a "nice man in Arizona (or something)" who can set it up, and he takes cash. Then he asks Bruce about a flight crew, and he says South Korean smugglers who take flights into Pyonyang.
So I conclude from that: Arizona guy picked him up and did the initial drop into Hong Kong (Bruce speaks to Lucius about jumping from an airplane, so presumably no one knows Burce Wayne is in Hong Kong 'cause he jumps in - remember he's still on the boat as far as everyone else is concerned), South Korean crew picks up Batman with the sky hook and takes him to Pyonyang, where he arranges to return to Gotham with Lao in a box or something.
The hitch is the ballerinas. But I'm sure he came up with some imaginative gorgeous billionaire way to persuade them not to tell anyone he was gone for a bit.
There's one more thing to note...
Wayne is picked up off of Gotham (presumably eastern seaboard USA) in a seaplane, which I presume takes him to Hong Kong (the more plane switches, the more people will know what is what).
He is picked up from Hong Kong by what looks (as memory serves) to have been a C-130 cargo transport. In any case, it was definitely not the seaplane.
I'm going to assume that the C-130 crew was up front and nobody was in the cargo bay. He'd then "crate up" his captive and change clothes into something more "CIA operative-like" and make his appearance up-front. They'd land on an island somwhere in the Pacific, offload his "no questions asked" cargo, and he'd switch onto another craft (possibly the original seaplane) which would take him back to Gotham along with his "cargo." The cargo would get delivered to Wayne Tech through a third-party supplier firm. Presumably, the "crate" would be soundproofed with basic food, water, and airflow systems installed... and an on-board tracking system. Enough to last for a number of days, while preventing "getting lost" and keeping the captive alive and healthy while undetectable.
If that sounds outlandish... it's not. This sort of thing actually exists.
That's how I got "selected" to be a mod a few years ago.He'd then "crate up" his captive and change clothes into something more "CIA operative-like" and make his appearance up-front. They'd land on an island somwhere in the Pacific, offload his "no questions asked" cargo, and he'd switch onto another craft (possibly the original seaplane) which would take him back to Gotham along with his "cargo." The cargo would get delivered to Wayne Tech through a third-party supplier firm. Presumably, the "crate" would be soundproofed with basic food, water, and airflow systems installed... and an on-board tracking system. Enough to last for a number of days, while preventing "getting lost" and keeping the captive alive and healthy while undetectable.
If that sounds outlandish... it's not. This sort of thing actually exists.
After I watched the film a second time, something struck me as kind of odd-- what was that roar for that Batman lets out as he's racing down the street towards The Joker?
It makes sense when you think Bruce is pissed as hell at The Joker for killing Gordon, but once you're aware that Bruce knows he's alive, it just seems like an odd thing for him to do. At least at that point in the story, when the Joker hadn't really done THAT much yet.
It makes sense when you think Bruce is pissed as hell at The Joker for killing Gordon, but once you're aware that Bruce knows he's alive, it just seems like an odd thing for him to do. At least at that point in the story, when the Joker hadn't really done THAT much yet.
You mean when he's on the Batpod? It's a roar of frustration because he can't bring himself to kill The Joker.
I thought a trained ninja should be able to handle a couple of dogs, too. His being a trained ninja doesn't mean much when it's not helpful to the story.
Besides, I'd imagine ninjas are trained to kill, not to be paramedics.
