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The Dark Knight - Grading & Discussion

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Just got back from watching it a second time. Just as fantastic the second time around as the first, if not better!

I caught all of the little things I missed before but were pointed out in this thread: the hydraulic device on Batman's arm in the beginning, the cape slowing down Batman and Rachel's descent, Maroni's henchman being pulled off screen by Two-Face, and probably a few other things that I've now forgotten about. :lol:

Oh, and my one complaint after my initial viewing, the court scenes, I no longer have a problem with. Now there is nothing I don't like or love about this film. :D
 
JacksonArcher said:
Kaijufan said:
jbny67 said:
I think Kaijufan was referring to Scarecrow being caught by Batman and probably arrested in the beginning of TDK and not the end of BB.
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Yeah you're right jbny67, I was referring to the Scarecrow cameo in TDK. I'm not sure how JacksonArcher missed that, especially after I said "After the events of the first movie".;)
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My bad. That part came at the beginning of your post, and I thus assumed when you mentioned Scarecrow being captured, you were referring to Batman Begins and not segueing into The Dark Knight.

But you're right, Scarecrow was most assuredly captured by the police and sent to Arkham. Which would be a nice case of irony since in Begins Crane ran Arkham, and now he is a prisoner. A part of me would love to see Arkham used in a third Batman movie with him eventually breaking out of Arkham.
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I can't even imagine the problems he would have as a prisoner at Arkham, being the former director. Didn't he test his fear toxin on the inmates? I'm sure there's more then a few inmates who want him dead.
 
Hirogen Alpha said:
I wish it had been explained as such in the film, but thanks for this. I don't suppose there's a webpage out there that explains microwaves in laymen's terms, is there?
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Even if there is, there surely isn't one that explains non-dairy powdered creamer.
 
Kaijufan said:
I can't even imagine the problems he would have as a prisoner at Arkham, being the former director. Didn't he test his fear toxin on the inmates? I'm sure there's more then a few inmates who want him dead.
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In the novel it was one of his own test subjects that came back to look for him to help him. There was a certain degree of loyalty in the people he experimented on toward him. This isn't exactly uncommon in psychology either for the person being experimented upon to remain loyal to or become loyal to the tester.
 
nx1701g said:
Kaijufan said:
I can't even imagine the problems he would have as a prisoner at Arkham, being the former director. Didn't he test his fear toxin on the inmates? I'm sure there's more then a few inmates who want him dead.
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In the novel it was one of his own test subjects that came back to look for him to help him. There was a certain degree of loyalty in the people he experimented on toward him. This isn't exactly uncommon in psychology either for the person being experimented upon to remain loyal to or become loyal to the tester.
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Oh I'm sure some of his test subjects became loyal to him but I doubt all of them are. Some of them probably hate him for what he did to them.

Then of course there's the normal prisoners who weren't test subjects but knew he was the prison warden. I wouldn't be surprised if the guards played it safe and never let him have contact with other prisoners, if other prisoners were allowed contact with him I wouldn't be surprised if we saw something similar to what happened it Watchmen.
 
^ Unless he conditioned them to be fiercely loyal to him, which is another possibility. The novel also suggests that all of the prisoners were loyal to him which was why he was so easily able to lead them in the Narrows.
 
"That was a hell of a thing."

A+

For any one interested, Nolan did a half an hour public radio interview on The Treatment, a show which tackles film critique and analysis on more than the surface level. Worth a listen.
 
Kaijufan said:
nx1701g said:
Kaijufan said:
I can't even imagine the problems he would have as a prisoner at Arkham, being the former director. Didn't he test his fear toxin on the inmates? I'm sure there's more then a few inmates who want him dead.
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In the novel it was one of his own test subjects that came back to look for him to help him. There was a certain degree of loyalty in the people he experimented on toward him. This isn't exactly uncommon in psychology either for the person being experimented upon to remain loyal to or become loyal to the tester.
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Oh I'm sure some of his test subjects became loyal to him but I doubt all of them are. Some of them probably hate him for what he did to them.
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More likely too scared of him to do anything but scream and run away, or cower and obey.
 
I liked the part where Fox finally met The Batman. For over a year, he's playing this game of plausible deniability with Bruce. When he finally sees Bruce in the suit, he's admiring this monstrous machine and still talking in that strange Batman voice. Fox has to be thinking "Oh hell. What have I done? This guy is actually completely insane".
 
^ In the novel he was genuinely frightened of Bruce when he heard the Batman voice. It was like they were two different people he comments.
 
which is the whole idea and why i *love* the Bat-voice. it's intimidating, yes, but it also serves to set Batman apart from Bruce.

i mean, honestly, how no one ever twigged Clooney-Bats or Kilmer-Bats were Bruce I will never know...

and as for Robin...
 
I like the bat voice personally....

"I killed those people"..... sounds like he is about to sneeze

:)
 
Tyberius said:
Hirogen Alpha said:
Where Nolan's film stumble a bit is in the more extreme technical concepts, which are probably the same "confused and ridiculous tech" you reference. Batman Begins' microwave generator isn't preposterous, but the way it selectively vaporizes water in the movie certainly is....
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I have seen several people express issue with this microwave device. We are all accustomed to the little box that boils water, heats our chicken and pops popcorn. This is not that device.

The consumer microwave oven operates over a broad range of frequencies. In contrast, the microwave emitter of BB would have the capability to operate on a single frequency. This single frequency would be the one that boils water (or in the case of BB, the single frequency would be the one that boils water laden with toxin) and not one that boils a saline solution (a different frequency).
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That's a great theory and it would do a great job of explaining how it was able to work the way it did in The Narrows. It would not explain, however, how it worked on the ship it was stolen from. Any water in the pipes of the ship would not have had the fear toxin in it.
 
I liked how Batman didn't always show up when the bat signal was turned on and that Gordon and the force understood. It's a refreshing change from the old "he's not coming" let-down attitude we saw in the past. I've always figured that Batman can't always be there.

I'm also wondering how Batman made his way through the police station to meet Gordon without being seen. Or did he even have to since Nolan's Batman doesn't live completely in the realm of rumor and myth and has developed a partnership with the police. And since we're on the subject, how do people feel about Batman not being more of a mystery to the public?
 
i think he is still something of a mystery. they may know he exists, (like in Batman 89) but not a lot more. looking at the GCN viral site, there seems a lot of mystery attached to him. it's not like f***ing Batman and Robin with them attending a charity event and being interviewed on TV...
 
Agent Richard07 said:
I'm also wondering how Batman made his way through the police station to meet Gordon without being seen. Or did he even have to since Nolan's Batman doesn't live completely in the realm of rumor and myth and has developed a partnership with the police. And since we're on the subject, how do people feel about Batman not being more of a mystery to the public?
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In the novel Gordon leaves the window open for him to come into the office. There are several parts (in both TDK and GK novelizations) where people are trying to see into Gordon's office to see if Batman is there. A lot of them had never seen him before.
 
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