The Dark Knight - Grading & Discussion

[guardian]

A quick question..............


Near the end Gordon says of Dent "..........he killed 5 people--2 of them cops."

What 5 ? He killed the cop traitor 'Wurtz' and Eric roberts character & his driver, i assume.
But he spared the female cop-traitor.
Who was the other cop and the the fifth victim?

Thanks very much to anyone who knows or remembers!!

 

[Captain Craig]

^^^
Maybe one was the cop watching over Gordons family, the other I can't account for.

 

[S. Gomez]

Could I ask someone who's seen this thing multiple times (or has a really good memory) for the dialogue between Gordon and Batman at the end? Or at least Gordon's final line? I can't recall it word for word.

 

[guardian]

^^^
Maybe one was the cop watching over Gordons family, the other I can't account for.

That was one of my guesses--the other being a cop at the hospital at the time of his 'escape' from the hospital and perhaps the limo that wrecked had another front passenger, but it seems odd they'd say the number so specifically while not showing all the deaths.

Anyone else??

 

[Captain Craig]

^^^
Maybe one was the cop watching over Gordons family, the other I can't account for.

That was one of my guesses--the other being a cop at the hospital at the time of his 'escape' from the hospital and perhaps the limo that wrecked had another front passenger, but it seems odd they'd say the number so specifically while not showing all the deaths.

Anyone else??

The 2 cops watching over his room were called away by a nurse during the frantic evacuation.

 

[davejames]

Perhaps a little TOO seriously. I'm still hoping that one of these days a director will find a good middle-ground between the Burton and Nolan extremes-- and create a Batman world that's dark and serious, yet still has room for giant Man-Bats, Clayfaces, and big green Killer Crocs.

If BTAS could do it, surely a live action movie could.

Something like Batman Dead End or a live-action Alex Ross Batman would fit the bill. I was pushing for stuff like that years ago even after Batman Begins came out, but now with The Dark Knight being so good, I'm not as enthusiastic about the idea.

Yeah I definitely think Nolan's interpretation is a good one, and one worth following for awhile.

I'm just saying that someday, maybe in another 15 years, I'd like to see a series of Batman movies that were closer to the comics and cartoon, and gave us more of the "superhero" Batman I prefer.

 

[jbny67]

I watched Batman Forever and Batman & Robin yesterday, and I now know for a fact why I like BB and TDK better: they really do take themselves more seriously. Not that BF and B&R were bad movies, but they were very comic-booky and, for a lack of a better word, "campy" than they newer ones.

Forever was flawed but still a good movie. However...
I'm a life long Batman fan and I always believed that even a bad Batman film was better than no Batman at all. Until Batman & Robin.
Complete and utter shit.

 

[John Picard]

Could I ask someone who's seen this thing multiple times (or has a really good memory) for the dialogue between Gordon and Batman at the end? Or at least Gordon's final line? I can't recall it word for word.

IIRC, Gordon stated, "We'll have to hunt you".

On another note, I want to know how many of the parents whining about the level of violence have violent video games for their kids, such as GTA or what other movies they let their kids see. It seems that the scene with the pencil has everyone on edge.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

Fantastic movie. Probably the best superhero movie ever.

Now here's Cogley's detailed, insightful review:

Batmobile... lost a wheel. And the Joker got away. Hey!

 

[archeryguy1701]

On another note, I want to know how many of the parents whining about the level of violence have violent video games for their kids, such as GTA or what other movies they let their kids see. It seems that the scene with the pencil has everyone on edge.

There will always be someone. Sure, there was more violence than previous movies, and it was definately more intense. But it was no where near an R rating. Hell, a lot what could have been the graphic violence was mainly implied. But, when it's rated PG-13 for "Intense sequences of violence", that's a decent indicator that it isn't kiddie friendly.

 

[Trekker4747]

On another note, I want to know how many of the parents whining about the level of violence have violent video games for their kids, such as GTA or what other movies they let their kids see. It seems that the scene with the pencil has everyone on edge.

There will always be someone. Sure, there was more violence than previous movies, and it was definately more intense. But it was no where near an R rating. Hell, a lot what could have been the graphic violence was mainly implied. But, when it's rated PG-13 for "Intense sequences of violence", that's a decent indicator that it isn't kiddie friendly.

Ugh. That article hurt my brain.

 

[davejames]

Fantastic movie. Probably the best superhero movie ever.

Now here's Cogley's detailed, insightful review:

Batmobile... lost a wheel. And the Joker got away. Hey!

Heh heh. Speaking of which, it looks like with the destruction of the Tumbler we might be getting a new Batmobile in the next movie.

As much as I liked the Tumbler, I definitlely wouldn't mind seeing a more traditional design next time.

 

[Trekker4747]

Fantastic movie. Probably the best superhero movie ever.

Now here's Cogley's detailed, insightful review:

Batmobile... lost a wheel. And the Joker got away. Hey!

Heh heh. Speaking of which, it looks like with the destruction of the Tumbler we might be getting a new Batmobile in the next movie.

As much as I liked the Tumbler, I definitlely wouldn't mind seeing a more traditional design next time.

I almost cheered when the Tumbler got destroyed.

I hope the next Batmobile is more worthy of the name.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Fantastic movie. Probably the best superhero movie ever.

Now here's Cogley's detailed, insightful review:

Heh heh. Speaking of which, it looks like with the destruction of the Tumbler we might be getting a new Batmobile in the next movie.

As much as I liked the Tumbler, I definitlely wouldn't mind seeing a more traditional design next time.

I almost cheered when the Tumbler got destroyed.

I hope the next Batmobile is more worthy of the name.

To be fair, The Tumbler was never called The Batmobile.

 

[Samurai8472]

the "car"

I don't think we'll any extravagant car like the 89 mobile. It will still be a roaring beast.

Ever since the tumbler was revealed I though the panels would connect and make the tumbler look really sleek.

With Fox gone Bruce is going to need someone else or try to bring him back.

 

[Skywalker]

On another note, I want to know how many of the parents whining about the level of violence have violent video games for their kids, such as GTA or what other movies they let their kids see. It seems that the scene with the pencil has everyone on edge.

There will always be someone. Sure, there was more violence than previous movies, and it was definately more intense. But it was no where near an R rating. Hell, a lot what could have been the graphic violence was mainly implied. But, when it's rated PG-13 for "Intense sequences of violence", that's a decent indicator that it isn't kiddie friendly.

Ugh. That article hurt my brain.

Seriously. It's like that last guy in the article said, parents should do their own homework. It's their job to figure out why a movie is rated the way it is.

 

[Captain Craig]

With Fox gone Bruce is going to need someone else or try to bring him back.

Fox isn't gone. He was only gone if that survellience equipment stayed in contact. The closing voiceover revealed that "...and peoples trust deserves to be rewarded" as it showed Lucius entering his name while the program self-destructed. He smiled a wry smile of approval.

Lucius isn't gone.

 

[Trekker4747]

There will always be someone. Sure, there was more violence than previous movies, and it was definitely more intense. But it was no where near an R rating. Hell, a lot what could have been the graphic violence was mainly implied. But, when it's rated PG-13 for "Intense sequences of violence", that's a decent indicator that it isn't kiddie friendly.

Ugh. That article hurt my brain.

Seriously. It's like that last guy in the article said, parents should do their own homework. It's their job to figure out why a movie is rated the way it is.

Seriously.

I got to ""This is not a regular comic-book movie," says Folger, who took her husband and two children, ages 11 and 14. "I know it's a good movie, but it should have been rated R." And I just rolled my eyes.

Firstly, I think 11 and frigging 14, especially, are old enough to handle the "violence" in this movie. And a little psychological mind-fucking isn't enough to warrant an "R"... Ugh.

 

[DarthPipes]

Agreed. I saw Terminator 2 when I was 11 or 12 and I turned out fine. The parents who make up these kind of excuses are too damn lazy to do the actual work and find out why the movie is rated the way it is.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Ah, parents. When I saw Spider-Man, there was a trailer for Insomnia (funnily enough, being a Christopher Nolan movie), and a mom stood up and shouted, "Isn't anyone else bothered that they're showing an ad for an R-rated movie at a kids' movie?"

One person shouted that it wasn't a kids' movie, being PG-13, then another shouted that the trailer had been approved for all audiences. (Does no one read the text?) A third just yelled for her to leave.

Good times. Good times.