Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement - goodbye filesharing...

[Bob The Skutter]

But maybe my priorities are in the wrong place. Who cares if another 3,000 people die. What is really important is that some 13-year old doesn't have Madonna's latest tune on her iPod without documented sales slips, which she will be required to bring with her on vacation.

Got it in one. We've all got our priorities out of whack, what really matters is that big business are squeezing every penny out of us that they possibly can. How can we be free without that?

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Ah well. What ya gonna do? People will just have to pay for their music again.

Or, you know, stop listening to the crap the music industry churns out now.

Practically none of it is worth the bother to steal, much less pay for. And when I do find something worth my time, I'm more than willing to pay for it. To do otherwise would be an insult to the artist and the corporations which have striven mightily to bring it to my attention.

 

[Sheep]

Unless you're hauling a cache of bootlegged physical CDs and DVDs with you, there's absolutely nothing to worry about. It'd be literally impossible for border agents to prove every single person owns (or doesn't own) MP3s or other files on their MP3 players and laptops without a gigantic privacy violation. This is pretty much the same reason the RIAAtards go after uploaders and not downloaders of music.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

It'd be literally impossible for border agents to prove every single person owns (or doesn't own) MP3s or other files on their MP3 players and laptops without a gigantic privacy violation.

So what's to prevent them from simply assuming that *all* music files they find, are in fact stolen, and thus confiscating everybody's equipment?

 

[Sheep]

It'd be literally impossible for border agents to prove every single person owns (or doesn't own) MP3s or other files on their MP3 players and laptops without a gigantic privacy violation.

So what's to prevent them from simply assuming that *all* music files they find, are in fact stolen, and thus confiscating everybody's equipment?

The same thing that stops them from assuming the shoes or sunglasses you're wearing through security weren't shoplifted from a store. I don't think any country has gone that far down the path of assuming everyone's a thief yet.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

It'd be literally impossible for border agents to prove every single person owns (or doesn't own) MP3s or other files on their MP3 players and laptops without a gigantic privacy violation.

So what's to prevent them from simply assuming that *all* music files they find, are in fact stolen, and thus confiscating everybody's equipment?

The same thing that stops them from assuming the shoes or sunglasses you're wearing through security weren't shoplifted from a store.

Clothing isn't the point of this new initiative though. And there isn't such a brouhaha over stolen clothes as there is over music. Remember, this whole thread started over a proposed worldwide crackdown on (alleged) music piracy. So I'd expect them to be extra paranoid.

Besides, if they assume you're a pirate and try to take your stuff, how are you gonna stop them?

 

[Hermiod]

It'd be literally impossible for border agents to prove every single person owns (or doesn't own) MP3s or other files on their MP3 players and laptops without a gigantic privacy violation.

So what's to prevent them from simply assuming that *all* music files they find, are in fact stolen, and thus confiscating everybody's equipment?

They will end tourism to their country by doing so.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

It'd be literally impossible for border agents to prove every single person owns (or doesn't own) MP3s or other files on their MP3 players and laptops without a gigantic privacy violation.

So what's to prevent them from simply assuming that *all* music files they find, are in fact stolen, and thus confiscating everybody's equipment?

They will end tourism to their country by doing so.

"Their" country? Aren't ALL nations which are party to this agreement, supposed to implement it?

 

[Hermiod]

^How effectively they do so is up to each nation.

 

[Sheep]

So what's to prevent them from simply assuming that *all* music files they find, are in fact stolen, and thus confiscating everybody's equipment?

The same thing that stops them from assuming the shoes or sunglasses you're wearing through security weren't shoplifted from a store.

Clothing isn't the point of this new initiative though. And there isn't such a brouhaha over stolen clothes as there is over music. Remember, this whole thread started over a proposed worldwide crackdown on (alleged) music piracy. So I'd expect them to be extra paranoid.

Besides, if they assume you're a pirate and try to take your stuff, how are you gonna stop them?

And speaking of paranoid...

There is absolutely no way this will be enforceable for computer audio and video files unless they assume everyone's music is illegally obtained and start formatting iPods, PDAs and laptops on the spot. The amount of manpower it would take to enforce this makes the actual security protocols we have in place at borders now look like a drop in the ocean.

Let's just say for a moment that this treaty somehow passes (which ain't bloody likely) and the nations involved come to agreement over it. I'm pretty sure that treating people like criminals and assuming everyone's music is pirated would make even the most ardent RIAA defender stop buying their products (at best) or start pirating just because they're going to be treated like criminals anyway, but not traveling with music (at worst). I would hope the global music industry doesn't have its head THAT far up its ass.

 

[Meredith]

I'd put serious encryption on all my shit and laugh hysterically as some more airport security guy who got drafted to the "ipod checker"

Then, when they if they took it further, I'd claim I had private business files on all the machines and they'd be violating corperate secrets.

I'll be damned if I'd let some yahoo customs agent rummage through all the files on my laptop, ipod and flash drives.

Better yet, load it up with gay male porn and cause them to go blind, heh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AzpByR3MvI

 

[Kemaiku]

I only have legit music on my computer, yes yes I know boring, but I don't have anywhere near as many music interests as other people so I can afford to just buy the CD's of the ones I like.

But, I do copy them to the computer using the Media Player option to do so, and the info tab for each CD does list it having a certificate allowing it to be copied in this manner.

So...if I fly again in the next few months am I going to have a problem? I mean theres nothing else dodgy on here (sigh) so I'll be damned if I'm getting stopped for that.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

There is absolutely no way this will be enforceable for computer audio and video files unless they assume everyone's music is illegally obtained and start formatting iPods, PDAs and laptops on the spot.

And you don't think they'd try just that? You are far more trusting than I am. I definitely suspect they'd try it with iPods, at least.

The amount of manpower it would take to enforce this makes the actual security protocols we have in place at borders now look like a drop in the ocean.

Unless they just take your iPod and smash it with a hammer or something like that.

Let's just say for a moment that this treaty somehow passes (which ain't bloody likely) and the nations involved come to agreement over it. I'm pretty sure that treating people like criminals and assuming everyone's music is pirated would make even the most ardent RIAA defender stop buying their products (at best) or start pirating just because they're going to be treated like criminals anyway, but not traveling with music (at worst).

You know that. I know that. But why would we expect the music industry to behave in a logical manner? They don't even do that *now*.

I would hope the global music industry doesn't have its head THAT far up its ass.

See above.

 

[Trekker4747]

This is posted in neutrality, hopefully people can keep it that way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement

The Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) is a proposed plurilateral trade agreement that would impose strict enforcement of intellectual property rights related to Internet activity and trade in information-based goods. The agreement is being secretly negotiated by the governments of the United States, the European Commission, Japan, Switzerland, Australia, New Zealand, South Korea, Canada, and Mexico.[1][2] If adopted at the 34th G8 summit in July 2008, the treaty would establish an international coalition against copyright infringement, imposing strong, top-down enforcement of copyright laws in developed nations. The proposed agreement would allow border officials to search laptops, MP3 players, and cellular phones for copyright-infringing content. It would also impose new cooperation requirements upon internet service providersonline privacy tools. (ISPs), including perfunctory disclosure of customer information, and restrict the use of The proposal specifies a plan to encourage developing nations to accept the legal regime, as well.

Holy link shit, Batman!!!!

Don't worry. I bet we can all avoid it by using a Sharpie.

 

[anais]

Oh I can see it now, music industry drones manning additional security check points after the regular ones. I'm sure the aviation business is thrilled. Sheesh.